What is going on with the Tory leadership contest? (1 Viewer)

[skybluetony176]

Well. Having watched the TV debate I’m trying to think if I’ve ever heard someone talk as much as Boris without actually saying anything. Other than repeating we have to be positive like a broken record as if it’s a magic spell that’s going to make everything better he doesn’t have a single answer.

 

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[skybluetony176]

It's been like that for years, these are the ultra Thatcherites.

I think the ultra Thatcherites are lefties compared to some of the “characters” being interviewed. They were that shockingly awful, poor excuses for human beings.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I think the ultra Thatcherites are lefties compared to some of the “characters” being interviewed. They were that shockingly awful, poor excuses for human beings.

She was, "no such thing as society". Well here's your answer, the serfs watching the Tories battle it out to be leader of the country.

 

[Ian1779]

Well. Having watched the TV debate I’m trying to think if I’ve ever heard someone talk as much as Boris without actually saying anything. Other than repeating we have to be positive like a broken record as if it’s a magic spell that’s going to make everything better he doesn’t have a single answer.

Theresa?

 

[clint van damme]

He's on about suspending parliament and not a peep from all the respect the referendum so called pro democrats.

Even though I voted remaining have always been against a second referendum and have said I'd refuse to vote in one but if Johnson tries to pull that stunt I will vote for anything that stops Brexit.
Don't see why I should try and uphold democracy when the future PM can't be arsed

 

[skybluetony176]

He's on about suspending parliament and not a peep from all the respect the referendum so called pro democrats.

Even though I voted remaining have always been against a second referendum and have said I'd refuse to vote in one but if Johnson tries to pull that stunt I will vote for anything that stops Brexit.
Don't see why I should try and uphold democracy when the future PM can't be arsed

To be honest I came to that conclusion when leavers on mass started labelling Gina Miller a traitor and calling for her to be done for treason when she took brexit to a JR to ensure that Parliamentary sovereignty was upheld just like leavers voted for. If you want parliament to be sovereign and democracy upheld then wether you voted leave or remain you should be labelling her a hero not a traitor. Once I witnessed that mentality I came to the conclusion that if they don’t want democracy then they don’t deserve it. That’s even before you get into the argument that true democracy is the right to change your mind.

 

[skybluetony176]

Major would go to court to stop Parliament closure

 

[shmmeee]

The problem is that we've gone so far down the road with proprietary software APIs etc that it is difficult to start again. I'm working on a project in the NHS at the minute, the naivety shown in the past by the public sector when faced with buying software is mental.

Oh I know. It’s a pipe dream. I was working on NHS Spine when I left uni in 2003!

I don’t think that ever even arrived. Government are terrible customers generally, constantly changing specs and the like, but I got the impressing GDS had improved things somewhat. I’m currently in the Land Registry blockchain working group (not that I do anything but listen) and there does seem to have been a more modern approach.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Oh I know. It’s a pipe dream. I was working on NHS Spine when I left uni in 2003!

I don’t think that ever even arrived. Government are terrible customers generally, constantly changing specs and the like, but I got the impressing GDS had improved things somewhat. I’m currently in the Land Registry blockchain working group (not that I do anything but listen) and there does seem to have been a more modern approach.

Spine does exist but it's cobbled together with some really really old infrastructure with stuff built on top of it.

 

[CCFCSteve]

He's on about suspending parliament and not a peep from all the respect the referendum so called pro democrats.

Even though I voted remaining have always been against a second referendum and have said I'd refuse to vote in one but if Johnson tries to pull that stunt I will vote for anything that stops Brexit.
Don't see why I should try and uphold democracy when the future PM can't be arsed

I’m pretty sure he has no intention of suspending parliament but quite rightly he doesn’t want to show his hand to the EU.

I can’t believe the naivety sometimes. Like Hunt asking him if he’d resign if he didn’t get Brexit through on 31 Oct. If he says ‘yes’ all those that don’t want him to be there (from home and abroad) will be incentivised to drag it past 31 Oct. Its the same as No Deal. Of course he doesn’t want a No Deal but take it off the table and there is 100% no chance of changes/movement from the EU (there is only minimal chance as it is)

I don’t mind people being explicit about wanting to remain but all this faux outrage about No Deal (from people who obviously only want us to remain at all costs...mainly from main opposition MPs) pisses me off. They had the chance to guarantee No Deal didn’t happen and chose to vote against it.....even Boris voted for Mays deal at the third time of asking which indicates his preference isn’t a No Deal.

I never thought I’d say this but I’m almost at the point of past caring, which for someone who pays more than a passing interest in politics and how we operate as a country is pretty sad. At this point I’d say just have a second referendum. There’s such a large number who refuse to accept the first result and too many politicians that are willing to do whatever it takes to block/frustrate the process (for either genuine reasons of wanting to remain or politicising the subject ie Labour hierarchy) it might well be the only way out of this.

If it damages people’s belief in democracy and politics, so be it. We’ll just have to deal with the consequences.

 

[clint van damme]

I’m pretty sure he has no intention of suspending parliament but quite rightly he doesn’t want to show his hand to the EU.

I can’t believe the naivety sometimes. Like Hunt asking him if he’d resign if he didn’t get Brexit through on 31 Oct. If he says ‘yes’ all those that don’t want him to be there (from home and abroad) will be incentivised to drag it past 31 Oct. Its the same as No Deal. Of course he doesn’t want a No Deal but take it off the table and there is 100% no chance of changes/movement from the EU (there is only minimal chance as it is)

I don’t mind people being explicit about wanting to remain but all this faux outrage about No Deal (from people who obviously only want us to remain at all costs...mainly from main opposition MPs) pisses me off. They had the chance to guarantee No Deal didn’t happen and chose to vote against it.....even Boris voted for Mays deal at the third time of asking which indicates his preference isn’t a No Deal.

I never thought I’d say this but I’m almost at the point of past caring, which for someone who pays more than a passing interest in politics and how we operate as a country is pretty sad. At this point I’d say just have a second referendum. There’s such a large number who refuse to accept the first result and too many politicians that are willing to do whatever it takes to block/frustrate the process (for either genuine reasons of wanting to remain or politicising the subject ie Labour hierarchy) it might well be the only way out of this.

If it damages people’s belief in democracy and politics, so be it. We’ll just have to deal with the consequences.

A potential future PM should not be talking about suspending parliament in anyway shape or form, even if refusing to rule it out purely as a bargaining tool.

Coupled with Darrock being forced out of his job today by a foreign leader it all makes a mockery of the taking back control and preserving our democracy bollocks that people have been spouting for the last 3 years.

 

[CCFCSteve]

A potential future PM should not be talking about suspending parliament in anyway shape or form, even if refusing to rule it out purely as a bargaining tool.

Coupled with Darrock being forced out of his job today by a foreign leader it all makes a mockery of the taking back control and preserving our democracy bollocks that people have been spouting for the last 3 years.

In response you could argue that remainers in parliament shouldn’t be trying every trick in the book to frustrate the process (there are numerous examples but one I still can’t believe was forcing the attorney general to publicly reveal his full advice to the government.....in the middle of a negotiation.....WTF ?!!).

People are quite rightly concerned about leaks such as Darrock situation the above is an enforced/intentional leak !

The Darrock position is strange one. Firstly, he’s supposed to be an excellent diplomat so it’s a shame if someone at that level has had to resign. Also, his comments should never have been leaked and it will be interesting to find out how this happened.

However, if the state you are supposedly ambassador for refuses to deal with you, your role has become untenable ! He was due to leave office at the end of the year and probably understood this.

Finally, whilst those comments should never have been leaked, let’s be honest any of us could have trotted out the same from our homes in the UK !

 

[SkyblueBazza]

He's on about suspending parliament and not a peep from all the respect the referendum so called pro democrats.

Even though I voted remaining have always been against a second referendum and have said I'd refuse to vote in one but if Johnson tries to pull that stunt I will vote for anything that stops Brexit.
Don't see why I should try and uphold democracy when the future PM can't be arsed

Where does the buck stop? The people? Parliament? The PM?

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[lifeskyblue]

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[Grendel]

The question's more complicated than that. It includes who you'd gain (disgruntled remain conservatives, people sodding off to the Lib Dems) and who'd vote Labour despite being Leave.

Personally I'd say it's all redundant if they don't do a pact with the Liberals I'd have thought, so they don't split the vote. And they won't do that.

It’s very bad for them if we actually leave and a snap election is then called.

 

[skybluetony176]

Andrew Neil making Boris look the c unit he is.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Andrew Neil making Boris look the c unit he is.

Andrew Neil should be allowed to interview every politician. He's showing Boris up in having zero policies, and that he's a blustering oaf - not that it matters in this election, seemingly! Not convinced Hunt has many more(!) but he held himself together rather better.

 

[skybluetony176]

Andrew Neil should be allowed to interview every politician. He's showing Boris up in having zero policies, and that he's a blustering oaf - not that it matters in this election, seemingly! Not convinced Hunt has many more(!) but he held himself together rather better.

To be honest I forgot it was on and only caught the last five minutes. He had Boris on the ropes for sure. Might have to see if it’s on catch up.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

To be honest I forgot it was on and only caught the last five minutes. He had Boris on the ropes for sure. Might have to see if it’s on catch up.

Well it was either that or Coronation Street!

 

[clint van damme]

we are absolutely fucked.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

we are absolutely fucked.

I was Boris Johnson’s boss: he is utterly unfit to be prime minister | Max Hastings

 

[clint van damme]

I was Boris Johnson’s boss: he is utterly unfit to be prime minister | Max Hastings

and that was written before tonights interviews.
He's had weeks to prepare and still failed spectacularly. Reading between the lines, or should I say, stuttering, bullshit and bluster I'd say what Boris was referring to when questioned about Brexit was a transition period in the case of a no deal.
The amount of tories who have trotted out the same line is frightening when by now every layman knows there can be no transition period in the case of a no deal.

He is so bad the the better option is the other fella, who once got his wifes nationality wrong.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

and that was written before tonights interviews.
He's had weeks to prepare and still failed spectacularly. Reading between the lines, or should I say, stuttering, bullshit and bluster I'd say what Boris was referring to when questioned about Brexit was a transition period in the case of a no deal.
The amount of tories who have trotted out the same line is frightening when by now every layman knows there can be no transition period in the case of a no deal.

He is so bad the the better option is the other fella, who once got his wifes nationality wrong.

The transition period *is* the withdrawal agreement, isn't it?!?

It's a choice between the blustering loon, or the ideological zealot. I'm wondering how we got into a position where Hunt has been exponentially better as Foreign Secretary than Johnson, but somehow the latter is deemed the better option to lead the country!

It's like picking a football manager.

 

[skybluetony176]

and that was written before tonights interviews.
He's had weeks to prepare and still failed spectacularly. Reading between the lines, or should I say, stuttering, bullshit and bluster I'd say what Boris was referring to when questioned about Brexit was a transition period in the case of a no deal.
The amount of tories who have trotted out the same line is frightening when by now every layman knows there can be no transition period in the case of a no deal.

He is so bad the the better option is the other fella, who once got his wifes nationality wrong.

On the plus side. Super fast broadband for everyone. Every cloud.

 

[clint van damme]

The transition period *is* the withdrawal agreement, isn't it?!?

It's a choice between the blustering loon, or the ideological zealot. I'm wondering how we got into a position where Hunt has been exponentially better as Foreign Secretary than Johnson, but somehow the latter is deemed the better option to lead the country!

It's like picking a football manager.

the withdrawal agreement is dead and unacceptable according to Boris, he thinks he's going to negotiate a better one, let's see what rabbit he can pull out of his hat.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

the withdrawal agreement is dead and unacceptable according to Boris, he thinks he's going to negotiate a better one, let's see what rabbit he can pull out of his hat.

As mentioned before, it'll be exactly the same but, because it's Johnson presenting it with some olde English posh waffle, his party'll lap it up and vote it through this time!

 

[clint van damme]

As mentioned before, it'll be exactly the same but, because it's Johnson presenting it with some olde English posh waffle, his party'll lap it up and vote it through this time!

won't he have the same issue with the DUP had that May had if he tries that?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

won't he have the same issue with the DUP had that May had if he tries that?

Enough Labour MPs'll be spooked into either voting for it, or abstaining,

 

[clint van damme]

Enough Labour MPs'll be spooked into either voting for it, or abstaining,

I meant on going if they push through an agreement they don't support. Won't that be the end of the supply and confidence agreement?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I meant on going if they push through an agreement they don't support. Won't that be the end of the supply and confidence agreement?

Boris delivers Brexit, a wave of enthusiasm engulfs a momentarily united Tory Party,. he calls an election and a sleepwalking populace vote him in with a majority, confident as they are in his ability to deliver £350mil per week, and tax cuts for the rich.

 

[clint van damme]

Boris delivers Brexit, a wave of enthusiasm engulfs a momentarily united Tory Party,. he calls an election and a sleepwalking populace vote him in with a majority, confident as they are in his ability to deliver £350mil per week, and tax cuts for the rich.

but his priority is the poor according to tonight's interview!!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

but his priority is the poor according to tonight's interview!!

That's the point though isn't it. He's Teflon, he says something and people believe that De Pfeffel is a man of the people, wityhout actually questioning what's going on!

 

[clint van damme]

That's the point though isn't it. He's Teflon, he says something and people believe that De Pfeffel is a man of the people, wityhout actually questioning what's going on!

I can see his time at number 10 being disastrous for the tories as well as the country, he won't stay 'teflon' forever.

I've seen it so many times, peoples bullshit getting them to a level above their ability until they eventually get found out, it's inconceivable that he won't, isn't it?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I can see his time at number 10 being disastrous for the tories as well as the country, he won't stay 'teflon' forever.

I've seen it so many times, peoples bullshit getting them to a level above their ability until they eventually get found out, it's inconceivable that he won't, isn't it?

If he wins an election soon-ish, he has 5 years to fuck it up!

 

[skybluetony176]

Just watched the full interview on i player. Shakes head in disbelief.