England cricket 2019 (16 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

Bowling looks to have gone to pot. We've got nothing to trouble Smith. We're really missing Anderson. Can see Australia leaving us an insurmountable total, and Nathan Lyons ripping us to pieces in our second innings.

With Ali so out of form and Anderson off we're essentially 2 bowlers down with no threatening spinner. The way Smith is going we're going to have to get everyone else out as we don't look close to putting pressure on him.

 

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[Grendel]

£25 a ticket tomorrow

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

With Ali so out of form and Anderson off we're essentially 2 bowlers down with no threatening spinner. The way Smith is going we're going to have to get everyone else out as we don't look close to putting pressure on him.

More like three - Woakes has hardly featured this innings either.

Annoying we can't change the ball when Australia got to and got a much better one.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Think we may as well take the new ball - nothing else is working.

 

[Otis]

Only the rain can save us now I think. Lead is 240. Even if we took 6 quick wickets it.is going to be a lead of 260.

Too much.

 

[Paul Anthony]

Yep, I think it might well be gone already.

 

[Otis]

It's rain or defeat and you have to think...... still could be both if we collapse.

 

[Saddlebrains]

I've got sod all to do tomorrow so as its 25 quid going to go up. England and Edgbaston can never be written off. Quick question, can you pay in the gate for anyone that knows? Cant find it anywhere online

 

[Otis]

I've got sod all to do tomorrow so as its 25 quid going to go up. England and Edgbaston can never be written off. Quick question, can you pay in the gate for anyone that knows? Cant find it anywhere online

398 to win can indeed be written off.

No way England can win. They can only bat out for a draw and/or pray for help from the weather.

 

[Paul Anthony]

Not a chance in hell we'll chase that score to win.

 

[lifeskyblue]

What a poor day by england. No chance for england of anything but a draw. Will need to bat sensibly and not give anything away. Aussies will try and upset openers and then unnerve middle order.


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[Otis]

What a poor day by england. No chance for england of anything but a draw. Will need to bat sensibly and not give anything away. Aussies will try and upset openers and then unnerve middle order.


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That pitch is turning drastically now. One ball from Lyons pitched leg side and ended up way past off stump.

We need the rain.

 

[shepardo01]

I've got sod all to do tomorrow so as its 25 quid going to go up. England and Edgbaston can never be written off. Quick question, can you pay in the gate for anyone that knows? Cant find it anywhere online

Not sure...have a look on edgbaston.com...
I do know, having been there today, on that site, you can do print at home tickets and also have them sent to your phone so they can scan your phone on the gate.
Good luck.... think more than likely an Australian win tomorrow though....

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

More like three - Woakes has hardly featured this innings either.

Annoying we can't change the ball when Australia got to and got a much better one.

They need to look at the ball changes as the change balls are last years Duke ball which swung more

 

[Macca]

There is no such thing as a one man team. Unless of course you are a one man team

 

[Paul Anthony]

Looking like a pretty resounding defeat on the cards.

 

[Covstu]

No chance we are staying in all day.... stokes currently playing anti cricket!

 

[Paul Anthony]

And that's it. 251 run loss. We've got problems.

First problem is finding a way to deal with Steve Smith. We've had no answer to him at any stage in this test, not until.the damage has been done. I know he's a particularly stubborn batsman to get out, but if we want to win this series, it's crucial to find something to trouble him.

Then, it's s our batsmen. We seem to be stuck in the kind of mentality required for limited overs, but it just doesn't work the same for test cricket.

 

[lifeskyblue]

And to think on the first day at 122 for 8 I thought we would win it in under 4 days. Having followed england for years you thought I would know better.


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[chiefdave]

Didn't expect to win, or even draw, going in to today but a bit more resistance would have been nice.

No idea why we sent Jimmy out to bat. Bloke could hardly walk down the stairs and couldn't run between the wickets. Why risk sending him out there?

 

[SBAndy]

Absolute dearth of red-ball talent out on the county circuit. As I mentioned the other day, Burns’ century was unconvincing and he looked like he could be got at any point. ECB have chased the £ in promoting one-day cricket and T20 competitions and by doing so have sidelined the County Championship. Next is The Hundred - for those who can’t quite manage that extra 15 minutes it would take to bowl 20 more balls.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Didn't expect to win, or even draw, going in to today but a bit more resistance would have been nice.

No idea why we sent Jimmy out to bat. Bloke could hardly walk down the stairs and couldn't run between the wickets. Why risk sending him out there?

If he's that bad then it's unlikely he'll be involved for the rest of the series.

 

[chiefdave]

If he's that bad then it's unlikely he'll be involved for the rest of the series.

They even said on commentary that he'd made it worse batting in the first innings. Just don't see what we were hoping to gain from it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Absolute dearth of red-ball talent out on the county circuit. As I mentioned the other day, Burns’ century was unconvincing and he looked like he could be got at any point. ECB have chased the £ in promoting one-day cricket and T20 competitions and by doing so have sidelined the County Championship. Next is The Hundred - for those who can’t quite manage that extra 15 minutes it would take to bowl 20 more balls.

Maybe we could turn it into a 1 v 1 duel over 1 ball with just 1 stump to aim at

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And that's it. 251 run loss. We've got problems.

First problem is finding a way to deal with Steve Smith. We've had no answer to him at any stage in this test, not until.the damage has been done. I know he's a particularly stubborn batsman to get out, but if we want to win this series, it's crucial to find something to trouble him.

Then, it's s our batsmen. We seem to be stuck in the kind of mentality required for limited overs, but it just doesn't work the same for test cricket.

You say that but England have been instigating batting collapses for donkey's years. Also Root is embarrassingly out of his depth as captain

 

[SBAndy]

You say that but England have been instigating batting collapses for donkey's years. Also Root is embarrassingly out of his depth as captain

Correct, Root has to be canned as captain. In saying that though, who is the alternative? Very few players secure in the starting 11 at the moment. I was having a think about the team for the 2nd test and have come up with the below:

Burns
Sibley
Root
Roy
Stokes
Buttler/Bairstow/Foakes (form stinks for all 3)
Curran
Woakes
Broad
Leach
Archer

Struggling to justify picking any more batsmen as none of the keepers are remotely close to form and there aren’t many staking a claim in the middle order.

 

[Covstu]

Correct, Root has to be canned as captain. In saying that though, who is the alternative? Very few players secure in the starting 11 at the moment. I was having a think about the team for the 2nd test and have come up with the below:

Burns
Sibley
Root
Roy
Stokes
Buttler/Bairstow/Foakes (form stinks for all 3)
Curran
Woakes
Broad
Leach
Archer

Struggling to justify picking any more batsmen as none of the keepers are remotely close to form and there aren’t many staking a claim in the middle order.

Stokes is the on,y natural leader out there but captaincy tends to ruin good players

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Correct, Root has to be canned as captain. In saying that though, who is the alternative? Very few players secure in the starting 11 at the moment. I was having a think about the team for the 2nd test and have come up with the below:

Burns
Sibley
Root
Roy
Stokes
Buttler/Bairstow/Foakes (form stinks for all 3)
Curran
Woakes
Broad
Leach
Archer

Struggling to justify picking any more batsmen as none of the keepers are remotely close to form and there aren’t many staking a claim in the middle order.

We're just not flush with Test talent at the moment and to be fair, neither are the Aussies. Difference between the sides is that Smith is a man in form and we have a learned helplessness that gives him some kind of mythical status. All the brains in the England camp need to work to find a strategy to target him

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Went today and it was a pathetic attempt.

What the hell Roy was doing charging down the wicket I'll never know.

Looking at the previous innings scores it seemed more like it was the pressure of needing to bat all day that got to us rather than the conditions/pitch etc.

So many questions need answering from that. Non-England based the first is the standard of umpiring - it was truly awful. Pre DRS that game could've gone anyway at all.

England selection needs to be looked at - I think this was the main reason we lost, especially the choice to play Anderson leaving us woefully short bowling wise.

Why was a not even half fit Anderson playing? Curran could've played even if Archer is unfit.

Why were we only playing a spinner who's not a specialist? Ali is there because he can sort of bat and sort of bowl, but too often does neither well enough.

Bairstow is just so out of form with the bat and even his keeping at times isn't great, but who to bring in? Buttler is already there but not doing great.

And this reliance on explosive but ultimately limited overs style players - it may only need one or two to have a good innings but if we collapse we do it spectacularly. Having to bat out a day didn't suit their style and it should today when they tried to rein themselves in. But again who's there to grab that place.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And this reliance on explosive but ultimately limited overs style players - it may only need one or two to have a good innings but if we collapse we do it spectacularly. Having to bat out a day didn't suit their style and it should today when they tried to rein themselves in. But again who's there to grab that place.

I agree but I don't understand why we seem to be perennially afflicted by this addiction to collapses out of nowhere.

 

[Otis]

I think this series may well have a 5-0 whitewash written all over it.

Certainly Ashes defeat looks extremely likely.

 

[chiefdave]

I think this series may well have a 5-0 whitewash written all over it.

Certainly Ashes defeat looks extremely likely.

The Aussies like Lords and they have Starc to come back in. Could very easily be 2-0 after the next test and a huge battle on our hands.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I agree but I don't understand why we seem to be perennially afflicted by this addiction to collapses out of nowhere.

It's a mental thing. With a solid base to play off the likes of Buttler, Stokes etc relax a bit knowing that if they don't make a huge score it's not the end of the world. When we're on a low score they feel the pressure, tighten up and loft what would normally be a six into the outfield.

Today was a bit different. We needed to bat long rather than for runs and it didn't suit the way they play. So they were crap at it. I said can we send Atherton and Nasser out in Bairstow and Ali masks? These were the type of conditions they thrived with. Slow, solid, sensible batting.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The Aussies like Lords and they have Starc to come back in. Could very easily be 2-0 after the next test and a huge battle on our hands.

It's cause it's Lords that we play there. England are often very poor on that ground. Edgbaston is usually our favoured ground results wise so to have lost, esp having got them 122-8 first innings is very worrying. Admittedly there are selection issues that made a massive difference IMO but it certainly doesn't auger well for the rest of the series.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think this series may well have a 5-0 whitewash written all over it.

Certainly Ashes defeat looks extremely likely.

But for Smith I wouldn't be so sure. Crack him and it's a different picture, but seems that Root is out of ideas