Jeremy corbyn (4 Viewers)
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Sick Boy
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There are plenty who’d just vote Tory as well - I’ve not always voted for Labour but could never vote Tory as I’m not an evil bastard
clint van damme
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you're right, the trade deal comment was Davis.
Brighton Sky Blue
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One could argue why anyone in Coventry or anywhere outside of the South East should vote Tory when it’s clear that the party still views these areas as Thatcher did-expendable.
SkyblueBazza
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Errr...Clint - "...no one bats an eyelid"??? Seriously???
It has been dissected across all media & social media forms ever since he made his first commitment to spend on anything. Not least by yourself!
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clint van damme
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Perhaps on social media, but in the right wing press? No chance. The coverage these gaffs get compared to those made by the shadow cabinet is disproportionately low.
Especially since several of them relate to one of the biggest political issues certainly of my lifetime, Brexit. The level of accountability is laughable.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Let’s suppose that Corbyn got paid £160k per year by the Mirror to write an article containing racist caricatures of Orthodox Jews. How do you think it would go down?
Grendel
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With his membership and momentum pretty well I’d have thought
Brighton Sky Blue
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Your mate’s paper wrote in defence of open racism on his part
LastGarrison
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Completely agree.There are plenty who’d just vote Tory as well - I’ve not always voted for Labour but could never vote Tory as I’m not an evil bastard
Surely to vote for a party you have to believe in what they are trying (or at least promising) to do.
And although your comment is tongue in cheek there are plenty of people with that mindset be it for Labour or the Tories.
Anyway was just genuinely intrigued.
SkyblueBazza
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Don't know & don't care.
Every outlet ( bear in mind tv & social media now has a far greater audience than mainstream newspapers) has screamed it as loud & clear on both sides
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SkyblueBazza
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Consider that I voted remain...yet whst you are saying there are pretty much arguments that the remain camp used & got no sympathy pre-referendum. Nor did the emergency budget etc. Funnily enough many of the doom scenario scare tactics didn't work & didn't happen either.
We appear to be getting mixed signals from the EU now...Merkel vs Macron reported statements. It will all end in either tears, or smiles & handshakes on BOTH sides
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fernandopartridge
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The media are misreporting stuff, they're as incompetent as the politicians they are reporting.
SkyblueBazza
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But you & others like you seem to see it happening in one direction & resent it, but wholeheartedly agree with it all in the opposite direction.
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Sick Boy
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Or perhaps you’re just making assumptions as always and making yourself look foolish?
SkyblueBazza
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The word "seem" negates the response as an assumption. You on the other hand use definitives such as "always".
So think about it, then ask yourself...who actually looks foolish here?
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The monetisation of higher education was started by the tories, just happened to be the Blair government who were in power as it took off and they fanned the flames.
Result of letting things be driven by the market that shouldn’t be, not some kind of communist conspiracy like you make out.
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The level of hypocrisy displayed by most of the media is absolutely stunning, isn’t it?
Suddenly we can cut tax for everyone and invest all over the country and nobody bats an eyelid? We’ve literally had years of people pointing the finger and laughing at any mention of investment by labour.
I know you can’t say anything against the tories on here without be smeared as some kind of Corbyn fan boy but it has to be said the difference in how the two main parties are treated is stark.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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Of course you don’t care you only look at things from one side.
SkyblueBazza
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Did you miss the word "both" or just choose to ignore it?
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Brighton Sky Blue
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You chose to ignore considering the combined media response to the equivalent from Corbyn. Last August we had Sky run with ‘Labour denies they are like the Nazis’...
SkyblueBazza
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Many (rather than 'nobody') don't bat an eyelid because they are indifferent to politics & such claims. That is because we, the public, have been lied to time & time & time again...or benefits from spending increases are imperceptible as they only cover increasing costs in reality.
Personally, I have much alignment with some (not all, nor even the majority) of JCs ideals. In reality these ideals will often fall down in the implementation...just like Tory ones.
I have very little faith in any of the media outlets. They report on & twist statements that are carefully concocted to orchestrate their own specific political agenda rather than actual hard news &/or facts. They make it incredibly difficult for people to make a properly informed decision about anything.
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SkyblueBazza
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No I just don't get carried away with their emotive headlines.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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So go and look for the evidence you want yourself. It isn’t hard to find now and it wasn’t hard to find in 2016.
You’ve got one party putting forward policies that the public like but then respond with ‘it would be too difficult to implement them’. It isn’t an argument-if we agree these are policies we want let’s work hard to make them reality. Higher minimum wages would eliminate the need for working tax credits. Housing the homeless would reduce the cost burden on the NHS and police. Just 2 examples.
The public doesn’t question how we afford big tax giveaways or above inflation rises in military spending. They vote Tory and wonder why everything gets cut.
Brighton Sky Blue
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OK but when that is the media narrative...
SkyblueBazza
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Yes...thanks for your advice. Don't know how I have managed to get by in life all these years before you came along.
I voted according to my beliefs about what was best for the future of my children in 2016.
Your take on minimum wages fails to see the impact of such a policy on the wider public & economy. Your take on the homeless is a bit ridiculous...are you suggesting that homeless people are a bigger drain on NHS & Police time & resource than the rest of society? There are many attitudinal problems revolving around a relatively small section of society - but to say they are homeless I would suggest is VERY off-target. So both examples are poor.
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clint van damme
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are you saying higher minimum wage would have a negative impact?
And I don't know for sure, but I'd imagine people who sleep rough in all weathers do require the services of the NHS more than people who have a warm bed to sleep in, (though I wouldn't refer that situation as a 'drain' on resources).
fernandopartridge
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What?
fernandopartridge
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Are you seriously denying that the homeless are not a burden on the NHS and the police and generally to a greater extent than somebody who isn't homeless?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Proportionally the homeless are a bigger drain on those services. Poor hygiene and living conditions will result in far more health problems and quite often there are issues like substance abuse that takes up more NHS and police time, as well as social care etc although that is largely provided by charities. You may argue over the course of a lifetime it evens out as being homeless will likely result in an early death and so the costs of being elderly with the health and social care costs associated with that won't occur.
As for the minimum wage the effect on the public and economy is down to greed of businessmen rather than affordability. Plus of course if you do bring it in those same people will then just see an excuse to up prices and you're left in the same situation just with higher inflation. Reason why a 'citizen's wage' won't work. Having a wage people can live off is something that should be a basic function of government, but it's hampered by greed and the lack of balls of those in government to put the needs of its citizens ahead of the wants of the rich.
Sick Boy
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You do because he actually voted leave, I believe.
Brighton Sky Blue
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At the moment the minimum wage isn’t enough to live off full time. It gets subsidised by the government in the shape of tax credits, but why are they footing the bill that should be coming from employers? The more people have in their pockets, the more they spend. As for the homeless, research exists to support housing all of them since the cost of that is lower than the secondary costs of homelessness.
SkyblueBazza
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A minimum wage on it's own simply sets off a chain reaction that eventually spirals & leaves those on the minimum wage just as needy as they were before. A minimum wage with a maximum wage running alongside it might work better imo. Ultimately, there is a need to stop the those at the top of the money chain from raking it all in & squirrelling it away never to be seen again
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SkyblueBazza
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Yes see that point, but the attention homeless people get from police & NHS staff is probably only a drop in the ocean.
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