Jeremy corbyn (4 Viewers)

[Ian1779]

I’m aware of the numbers but my point remains the same. As we all know brexit appears not to be party based.

I agree that the Tories and in particular the ERG have to shoulder a fair bit of the blame but at least the ERG were sticking to their (bizarre) ideological principles on the subject. Labour/Corbyn politicised it....you don’t have to take my word for it, check the polls !

They didn’t politicise it at all. It was politicised the day she called the election in 2017. She called what she thought would be a ‘Brexit’ election and she fucked it up.

 

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[skybluetony176]

I’m aware of the numbers but my point remains the same. As we all know brexit appears not to be party based.

I agree that the Tories and in particular the ERG have to shoulder a fair bit of the blame but at least the ERG were sticking to their (bizarre) ideological principles on the subject. Labour/Corbyn politicised it....you don’t have to take my word for it, check the polls !

A lot of the ERG voted for it the third time of asking so they wasn’t sticking to it that much.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That is all you see too. Boris conspiring to thwart parliament's efforts to thwart his approach to Brexit.
And that was my earlier point - as long as it is Tory bashing it is alright.

An approach that is really good for the UK that!

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No it is Boris shutting down all opportunities to pass legislation just so he can ram in no deal. How can it be good when all the evidence and contingency planning suggests otherwise? How can it be good when the domestic state of affairs continues to be ignored? All you see is conspiracy

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Oh god...not the polls again

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You mean more polls which directly contradict your point?

 

[Grendel]

You mean more polls which directly contradict your point?

Election time?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Election time?

Referendum time?

 

[skybluetony176]

Referendum time?

On Boris’ deal or no deal (also known as Boris’ deal) vs remain. Very fair.

 

[CCFCSteve]

They didn’t politicise it at all. It was politicised the day she called the election in 2017. She called what she thought would be a ‘Brexit’ election and she fucked it up.

Come on Ian of course they did. May called the election as she knew due to the divisions in the party inn brexit she needed a stronger majority (that worked out well didn’t it !!!)

But don’t be so blinkered to not accept what Corbyn/Labour have done since

 

[CCFCSteve]

A lot of the ERG voted for it the third time of asking so they wasn’t sticking to it that much.

Enough didn’t and nor did the DUP. Yet only a handful of labour voted even though many represented leave constituencies ?!!!

May tried to deliver a fair (if imperfect) compromise. Labour wanted a GE.

 

[skybluetony176]

Enough didn’t and nor did the DUP. Yet only a handful of labour voted even though many represented leave constituencies ?!!!

May tried to deliver a fair (if imperfect) compromise. Labour wanted a GE.

I don’t know what’s with the “?!!!” but many of the ERG also represent disaster capitalist err... ... I mean leave constituencies?!!! I’m not sure what you think their principal was but it sounds like it’s the same as Labour’s. A change in government even if it means bringing down the Tory party, which of course should be Labour’s job?!!!

 

[Ian1779]

Come on Ian of course they did. May called the election as she knew due to the divisions in the party inn brexit she needed a stronger majority (that worked out well didn’t it !!!)

But don’t be so blinkered to not accept what Corbyn/Labour have done since

My point is that it was already political. Brexit has always been about addressing political differences that couldn’t be resolved without loosening a grip on power.

However when it came to it, the public didn’t give a shit about political manoeuvring - instead they gave a big ‘fuck you’ to the political establishment itself.

I should be pleased really - this is the end of the Tories.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I don’t know what’s with the “?!!!” but many of the ERG also represent disaster capitalist err... ... I mean leave constituencies?!!! I’m not sure what you think their principal was but it sounds like it’s the same as Labour’s. A change in government even if it means bringing down the Tory party, which of course should be Labour’s job?!!!

I meant that whilst everyone can point the finger at ERG (me being one), those labour MPs representing strong leave constituencies will also (rightly) shoulder some of the blame if Brexit doesn’t take place or if No Deal happens (unlikely now)

They had the chance to vote through something that would’ve avoided both of the above. They chose not to for their own reasons (labour whipped hoping for a GE).

Let’s see how it pans out

 

[Grendel]

Referendum time?

Well again this is fantasy - if you can get some agreement on the question so be it. In the end though there will be an election and the Tory party can put in its manifesto to still withdraw from Europe and do it if it wins power

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Well again this is fantasy - if you can get some agreement on the question so be it. In the end though there will be an election and the Tory party can put in its manifesto to still withdraw from Europe and do it if it wins power

Well again the question would be 'Leave with no agreement or revoke Article 50' since that would be a literal description of the options and again I don't remember saying I expected enough Tories to realise this is how to save their arses while claiming some 'will of the people'. If all the charlatans on the right are so convinced no deal is marvellous they should welcome the idea to convince everyone of its merit. Maybe you and Bazza could pull the first pint for Farage at the opening rally?

I also see your mate has put forward the idea of a £15 billion bridge between Stranraer and Northern Ireland-must be so proud after this and the pork pies

 

[Grendel]

Well again the question would be 'Leave with no agreement or revoke Article 50' since that would be a literal description of the options and again I don't remember saying I expected enough Tories to realise this is how to save their arses while claiming some 'will of the people'. If all the charlatans on the right are so convinced no deal is marvellous they should welcome the idea to convince everyone of its merit. Maybe you and Bazza could pull the first pint for Farage at the opening rally?

I also see your mate has put forward the idea of a £15 billion bridge between Stranraer and Northern Ireland-must be so proud after this and the pork pies

You do realise the Labour Party would not vote for this question?

 

[skybluetony176]

Well again the question would be 'Leave with no agreement or revoke Article 50' since that would be a literal description of the options and again I don't remember saying I expected enough Tories to realise this is how to save their arses while claiming some 'will of the people'. If all the charlatans on the right are so convinced no deal is marvellous they should welcome the idea to convince everyone of its merit. Maybe you and Bazza could pull the first pint for Farage at the opening rally?

I also see your mate has put forward the idea of a £15 billion bridge between Stranraer and Northern Ireland-must be so proud after this and the pork pies

This is the bridge that a number of experts say can’t be built?

 

[Ian1779]

I meant that whilst everyone can point the finger at ERG (me being one), those labour MPs representing strong leave constituencies will also (rightly) shoulder some of the blame if Brexit doesn’t take place or if No Deal happens (unlikely now)

They had the chance to vote through something that would’ve avoided both of the above. They chose not to for their own reasons (labour whipped hoping for a GE).

Let’s see how it pans out

Opposition party wants opportunity to negotiate what they think is a better deal... what are the odds.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You do realise the Labour Party would not vote for this question?

You do realise I'm not in favour of everything Labour does and for the umpteenth time don't expect another vote to become reality?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is the bridge that a number of experts say can’t be built?

It must be great as a right winger, being able to talk complete shit without being challenged

 

[Grendel]

You do realise I'm not in favour of everything Labour does and for the umpteenth time don't expect another vote to become reality?

Which party would vote for it

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I also see your mate has put forward the idea of a £15 billion bridge between Stranraer and Northern Ireland-must be so proud after this and the pork pies

Stranraer is a bit awkward isn't it for a bridge. For a tunnel maybe but not a bridge.

Always reminds of my nan because she's talk about getting the ferry to Stranraer in her broad N.Irish accent.

Best sentence ever in N.Irish accent is "Finaghy to Stranraer to buy the Mirror"

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Which party would vote for it

for the umpteenth time don't expect another vote to become reality?

 

[skybluetony176]

Stranraer is a bit awkward isn't it for a bridge. For a tunnel maybe but not a bridge.

Always reminds of my nan because she's talk about getting the ferry to Stranraer in her broad N.Irish accent.

Best sentence ever in N.Irish accent is "Finaghy to Stranraer to buy the Mirror"

We used to do Stranraer to Larne all the time as a kid. Used to do the night train to Stranraer from Rugby. Just awful trying to sleep on a train full of Paddy’s thinking it’s a party.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

That sounds like a nightmare train journey.

The other place she used to mention a lot I liked was Newtownards

 

[skybluetony176]

That sounds like a nightmare train journey.

The other place she used to mention a lot I liked was Newtownards

Killer. We used to finish school, go home, get changed, straight in the taxi to the train station for the start of the six week holidays on the night train to Stranraer.

Can’t say I’ve ever been to Newtownards. I know it’s on a lough so it’s going to be beautiful though.

Lisburn is another great one in a Northern Irish accent.

 

[Astute]

My point is that it was already political. Brexit has always been about addressing political differences that couldn’t be resolved without loosening a grip on power.

However when it came to it, the public didn’t give a shit about political manoeuvring - instead they gave a big ‘fuck you’ to the political establishment itself.

I should be pleased really - this is the end of the Tories.

End of the Tories? This debacle has made the Tories stronger. And the rich, those who aspire to be rich and even those better off will always vote Tory.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And the rich, those who are dumbasses believing the Mail and the Sun and even those more well off dumbasses reading the Telegraph will always vote Tory.

Preach

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Labour would be trounced in an election. Partly due to Brexit mess and partly due to Mr Corbyn. Most accurate polling puts them on 200 or so seats in a hung parliament where Tories are biggest party but it’s hung. So no further forward. Snp and Lib Dem gains. We are a little stuck. Maybe if we ignore it it will go away

 

[Astute]

Preach

So where did I say that?

Making things up again?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

You mean more polls which directly contradict your point?

Well you sit tight, another poll showing a different result will be along shortly...& I will probably ignore that one too

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[SkyblueBazza]

Well again the question would be 'Leave with no agreement or revoke Article 50' since that would be a literal description of the options and again I don't remember saying I expected enough Tories to realise this is how to save their arses while claiming some 'will of the people'. If all the charlatans on the right are so convinced no deal is marvellous they should welcome the idea to convince everyone of its merit. Maybe you and Bazza could pull the first pint for Farage at the opening rally?

I also see your mate has put forward the idea of a £15 billion bridge between Stranraer and Northern Ireland-must be so proud after this and the pork pies

So now you don't want leave with a deal as an option? You change your mind as quick as Jeremy Corbyn on this don't you?

Opening rally??? Why would I want to be drink with Farage? Admittedly he would probably a better drinking partner than some of you on here...but I think he moves in different circles to me

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[SkyblueBazza]

This is the bridge that a number of experts say can’t be built?

Maybe, but remember experts once said the earth is flat, the sun went around the earth, man could not fly...the list is endless

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[skybluetony176]

Maybe, but remember experts once said the earth is flat, the sun went around the earth, man could not fly...the list is endless

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We live in an era where the longest bridges, tallest bridges, deepest tunnels, longest tunnels, tallest buildings are being built. The suggestion that it can’t be built is in an era where construction technology has been pushed to the absolute limits. The people saying this are experts in their field not members of flat earth society using the tensile strength of wood to form an opinion on wether it’s possible or not.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Maybe, but remember experts once said the earth is flat, the sun went around the earth, man could not fly...the list is endless

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It's not exactly the same is it.

Also when they say it can't be built they're often talking more in economic viability than technical possibility. It may be technical issues due to geology or wind during storms or something (I have no idea) Technically they could build a bridge between London and Paris - doesn't mean it makes sense to do it. Theoretically a mile high skyscraper is possible.

If you look at where Stranraer is in relation to NI t would seem an odd starting point for a bridge. For ferries it makes sense because it's in a bay and thus a bit more protected.

I wonder if his next plan to appease the DUP will be a bridge from Blackpool or Barrow-in-Furness to Belfast using the IoM as a support pillar.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So where did I say that?

Making things up again?

I’m having a laugh old dude