standupforcity
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Just tried to book...but not available...is it sold out already?
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Cranfield Sky Blue
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First batch is. More on the way my friend!
Terry Gibson's perm
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How many were in the first batch?
Tommo72
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Currently just under 2500 sold
Gibbo
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I am in a very small minority. I love what they have achieved at MK Dons. The old Wimbledon was on the road to nowhere. Instead a major conurbation that is growing fast has a proper football team. They seem well managed by their owner. Well done to AFC Wimbledon for resurrecting the name, although they are actually a franchise themselves as I believe they are in Kingston. And they also in a tiny ground that could not support more than L1 at best. MKDons have the potential to be Championship - as they were briefly
I think that the end result is about a good as you could expect to get. If I have a second team after City, it is MK Dons
Dons tin hat (geddit)
Liquid Gold
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Do you love what this guy has achieved stealing what wasn't his?
Birmingham men sentenced for Lichfield burglary and car theft
Also you have no idea what a franchise is. Kingston is the borough next to Merton, that's like saying Grimsby are a franchise because Blundell Park is in Cleethorpes. Wimbledon are also building a brand new 9,000 stadium on the old Plough Lane site.
Skybluefaz
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I hope this is just attention seeking rather than an actual opinion.
Irish Sky Blue
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As they are in a conurbation that would support a league club, why didn’t they have one? As far as I am aware there is a non league team still playing in MK. (Shades of Wasps moving in on CRFC) Why didn’t he take over the non- league team that already represented MK rather than ‘buy’ another communities’ team? The answer is he wanted that communities’ team because of it’s league status. There was no thought about which team it was and there was certainly no thought for the fans of that team being left 70 miles away without their club. As regards the fact that Wimbledon weren’t viable financially, they had existed since 1889, only 6 years younger than our club. They had been a successful non league club and they were certainly a successful league club, moving through the leagues, spending many seasons in the top flight, and winning the FA Cup. They may have struggled to maintain an existence in the top or even the second league with their owners at he time, they certainly could have carried on in the lower leagues. It’s wrong to take a club away from the community that it belongs to whether that is Wimbledon or Wasps.
I think it will be a long, long time before most fans can feel any empathy with MK or their fans.
Not sure you can really take any of this out on their fans, they're supporting their local team, something that the majority on here do and something that all football fans are encouraged to do.
Unlike in the Cov Rugby/Wasps situation MK didn't have a league team before the Dons moved in.
Take it out on the EFL/FA/Owners, the fans there are just trying to create and catch up the rest of the leagues history.
Unlike in the Cov Rugby/Wasps situation MK didn't have a league team before the Dons moved in.
Take it out on the EFL/FA/Owners, the fans there are just trying to create and catch up the rest of the leagues history.
GaryMabbuttsLeftKnee
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Absolutely no way this is a genuine post.
Irish Sky Blue
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MK Dons had no affinity with Milton Keynes in exactly the same way that Wasps have no affinity to Coventry or Warwickshire. They were simply dropped into that area. If all those who go to see Wasps went to watch Cov then the chances are that are own rugby team would be back at the top. Perhaps if all of those who now go an watch MK Dons had supported their non-league team, thenthat club May well have attained league status.
clint van damme
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this forum has just jumped the shark.
rob9872
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"Not going anywhere" - it was their fekkin club! FFS this is incredible.
Johnnythespider
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What exactly have they "achieved" ? They bought their place in the league, you are suffering from a case of franchisitis, take 2 tablets and book yourself in for some counseling.
Its nothing like the same, you're comparing a 145 year old rugby club in a historic town to a non-league team in a 50 year old city just to fit your argument. Are you actually suggesting that the 10k odd MK Dons fans should have gone to watch Dog & Duck FC?
Can you name the "non-league team" from MK that you've mentioned in your previous two posts, quick, google it....
I'm not for one moment saying what happened to Wimbledon was Ok or correct, clearly it wasn't, I'm saying you can't dig out current MK Dons fans for going to watch them, especially the younger fans who will have been brought up in MK, whose parents will have supported the clubs they grew up with.
Comparing MK to Wasps is miles off the mark when it comes to supporters, Wasps new found support in our city should be Cov Rugby fans which have jumped into a stripey shirt as soon as a "successful" club was dropped on their doorstep. There was no other football league alternative when Dons were moved there, they weren't taking fans from any other long established part of the community.
Irish Sky Blue
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I was comparing a 145 year old rugby club to 131 year old football club. These were the two clubs ripped from their communities thus becoming franchise operations.
You seem to be saying that because a town's own team is 'only' nonleague it is okay for another club to muscle in. I think it is a bit disparaging to call a non league team 'The Dog and Duck' Are Notts County now at Dog and Duck standard or is this threshold further down the pyramid? At what level is it okay to be disparaging about non league teams? (If you have ever been to a non-league club you will see that they mean as much to their community as City do to us)
I did Google the non league team in MK as I couldn't remember their name (not sure why this is a bad thing but never mind). They are Milton Keynes FC. Perhaps if the fans who follow the franchise club went to see them play instead, they would now be a league team. With Gates similar to MK it should be doable, after all, it only took Wimbledon 9 years to regain their league status starting from a lower point than the real Milton Keynes club are at now.
I am also not sure that Wasps have taken much if any of Cov's support. I would think their attendances have increased in the last few years. The comparison here is between people who are now 'fans' of Wasps but who couldn't be bothered to go and watch the City's own rugby team because they weren't top flight and people in MK who couldnt be bothered to go and watch the town's own team because they were non-league but who will watch MK because they are in the league, even though the move almost proved fatal to the original club.
win9nut
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The local team was MK City FC, but the team had loads of financial issues and I think went bust, because everyone round here supports someone else. (The London teams are popular, because that's where most people moved from.)
I read once that Winkleman bought Wimbledon because they weren't getting support from their local council to build a new stadium (something about Safeway buying the stadium site), and they were heading the way of Bury.
Can't find the article now though...
I do reckon that being the case, he should still have steered clear and pumped his investment into growing a local club organically.
That being said, MKDons do loads in the community round here, they have lots of disability teams, kids teams, and they support the local non-league teams too by sharing their coaching skillset and training up the coaches.
They are still building the club, and there's a long way to go, but they are making progress. They are doing a valuable job in the community and I can't blame locals for wanting to watch league football on their doorstep.
clint van damme
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as did the Nazis and wasps.
steveo1987
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Sam Haman took them away from Plough lane as i remember as the ground was not up to scratch.He sold it to some Norwegians after the club had moved but seem to remember Ron Noades buying MK City with the aim of moving Wimbeldon to MK.That didn't happen but eventually did some years later when Pete Winkleman bought it all up.
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'Ah but it's different' is a classic line from people who want to do what the hell they like.
So you're comparing Cov Rugby to Wimbledon two clubs who have been effected by "franchise clubs" in completely different ways? I think you're confused now and tying yourself up in knots.
Ah, do you mean MK City FC who were dissolved in 2003 after years and years of turmoil?
Talking about "what they mean to their community", go ask someone whos lived in MK for 40 years who has done more for their community, MK Dons or MK City FC, I assume they'd say "who are MK City?"
Its very easy to scream and shout about MK Dons cause everyone else is doing it, have a thought of your own for once. As I have stated it is not the fans fault they are there, they're simply supporting their only local club, I wish more fans in our city did the same.
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Gibbo
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...I thought clubs should be within the boundaries of the town. That is what everybody says on here
...9,000 is L1 at best. I think the dons had just come down from the top tier when the deal was done
...how many years has it been, 10-15, but no new stadium.
A club was on the way to oblivion, which it was, now serves a major metropolis. Win win. I rather admire innovative solutions
Liquid Gold
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...Wimbledon is in London not Milton Keynes. Changing the name doesn't change the home.
...Remind me of the capacity of Dean Court
...Building work is about to start, you obviously have no idea what an obstructive council is capable of
It could be arguesd our club is on the way to oblivion. I assume you'd be happy if we were moved to a metropolis without a team. Wakefield FC here we come.
I thought you were tolling, I was wrong. You're just a misinformed bellend.
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It works the other way too, much talk of how the move was contrived, because of the value of land at Plough Lane...
Liquid Gold
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Of course, they had dodgy owner after dodgy owner that put them in the situation. I'm more talking about their struggles to return to the borough after re-forming.
FYI, have a little read up on Mercedes-Benz Football Club, I think this is the club you are referring to, a Sunday league side that moved to Wolverton and changed their name to MK City they only existed for just 6 years under this Monika. So based on your previous comments you should be outraged at MK City FC also that tore Mercedes-Benz Football Club from its community. But yea, youre right its the 10k fans fault who didn't turn up to watch Mercedes-Benz Football Club home and away.
Irish Sky Blue
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Having been to watch Nuneaton and also Tamworth quite a bit (both home and away) I can vouch for the level of passion and commitment these fans and the fans of their opponents have for their clubs. I still don’t understand why you need to be disparaging about clubs at this level. Ask random people in Nuneaton, Tamworth or even Coventry what the local team means to them, I am sure that some would say ‘not a lot’. However ask the people who actually go to games and even those who don’t attend but just take an interest and the response would be very different. I am sure that is the same with Milton Keynes FC. Perhaps you could explain your ‘Dog and Duck’ comment and to which level of the pyramid it applies.
You also haven’t explained why Winkleman didn’t take over the local non-league team and grow them rather than taking away a club that belonged to another community. Had he done this he may well have got the local team to the level MK are at without all of the hostility. It seems he wanted the league place instantly even if it meant that the fans of Wimbledon would suffer.
I’m not confused. I was comparing Wasps and Wimbledon as it is their fans who have suffered from having their teams taken away. Wasps landing here has had a devestating effect on CCFC and can’t have helped Cov either. Young rugby fans wanting to go to games for the first time in the area can now watch top flight rugby at Wasps instead of perhaps Championship rugby at Cov, a club they might otherwise have started to support.
Franchising sports clubs is wrong. If you support one as many of the locals in MK are doing then even by implication you are saying that franchising is okay.
I would also ask how you know my thoughts on this aren’t my own? Posting an argument on here is also hardly screaming and shouting, particularly if you back up your points with reasonable ideas.
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Irish Sky Blue
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As mentioned above. Franchising is wrong. It will only happen if the person responsible for moving the club thinks he will get people in the new location to go along and support the team that he has just dropped in. Wasps have no affiliation to this area. People haven’t grown up here being Wasps fans. The only reason people go is that it is top flight rugby. Do they have the feelings for Wasps that City or Cov fans have for our clubs? I doubt it. Would they be able to get the 10k average attendance we got in League Two if they were in the lower reaches of the rugby pyramid? No they wouldn’t. Local people who support Wasps at the Ricoh don’t have roots in them the way that we do in our club. Presumably you would agree with all of this, however you can’t see the Parallel with the Wimbledon/MK situation. MK Dons when they started had no affiliation to that area and the only reason that locals went along to watch was because it was league football on their doorstep. You say you can see that what happened to Wimbledon was wrong but that it is still okay for people in MK to go along and support the result of that wrong doing? I don’t follow the logic.
Irish Sky Blue
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I assume therefore you would sympathise with the Wasps fans left without a club in the south east but you would feel it is okay for the locals in Coventry and Warwickshire to go along and support them as it gives them the chance to watch top flight rugby rather than to put up with the ‘Dog and Duck’ type stuff served up at CRFC?
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You've made a lot of points about Wimbledon, Winkleman and the move being wrong which I have never denied and I agree it was all wrong.
However, they are there now, have been for 15 years, and my point all along has been about the fans. Do you think a 15 year old who has grown up in MK who has never been alive when Wimbledon FC existed should not go to watch his local football team? Who would you suggest he goes and watches instead?
Children growing up in MK want to go and watch their local side, their parents, probably Liverpool or United fans will take them. Do you think less of them for doing so?
However, they are there now, have been for 15 years, and my point all along has been about the fans. Do you think a 15 year old who has grown up in MK who has never been alive when Wimbledon FC existed should not go to watch his local football team? Who would you suggest he goes and watches instead?
Children growing up in MK want to go and watch their local side, their parents, probably Liverpool or United fans will take them. Do you think less of them for doing so?
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Well... you've been making plenty of points other than 15 yo children, but they've been shot down as either wrong, or irrelevant. In answer to your original question.
Yes.
You're moving the goalposts as much as Wasps did when they turned up at the Ricoh.