39 dead in lorry in Essex (11 Viewers)
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fernandopartridge
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Bloody hell that's dreadful.
fernandopartridge
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It'll have come from Bulgaria to the UK to Ireland in the first place.
skyblueinBaku
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It is more likely that it went from Bulgaria to Roscoff (France) and then by ferry to Ireland.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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That's horrific.
Sky Blue Pete
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Bloomin eck
fellatio_Martinez
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The most probable scenario is that they were sex workers put in the very back of a lorry with a lack of oxygen and a long route. I'd say this happens regularly but isn't caught. It must have been hellish for the victims.
Diane Abbott speaks for us all when she said "These people are people".
Diane Abbott speaks for us all when she said "These people are people".
ccfc92
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I won't talk specifics, but as you mentioned asylum seekers...
If you think that when fleeing torture, abuse, and terror you stop and gather up your documents before dropping by to say goodbye to your neighbour... then you're a fucking mentalist.
ccfc92
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"A vigil is being held at 18:00 outside the Home Office to "call for urgent action to ensure safe passage" for people fleeing war and poverty."
I don't understand this, if people have decided to get in a lorry themselves/forced to by traffickers, how can the Home Office be held responsible?
I don't understand this, if people have decided to get in a lorry themselves/forced to by traffickers, how can the Home Office be held responsible?
ccfc92
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How do they know they're Chinese nationalists then?
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What bit of "I won't talk specifics" has proven a challenge to understand?
(Are we really important right wing reactionaries from China now?)
ccfc92
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I'm just saying, how would they know they're Chinese with no ID docs? I think Gazolba was asking a fair question tbh.
Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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I have a friend from Belgium who worked for the ministry of defence there. He was posted all over the place and said they regularly found containers full of bodies in that had come from Asia.
I imagine this is the same thing. If they were indeed Chinese then they would have been human slaves most probably.
I imagine this is the same thing. If they were indeed Chinese then they would have been human slaves most probably.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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So in my view, the public disclosure of this driver's face and personal details all over the mainstream media is utterly abhorrent!
The evidence seems to suggest that the tractor unit he was driving entered the UK at Holyhead off a ferry from Dublin on Saturday. He has probably done a load of pick-ups and drop-offs of trailers all over UK since then.
The tractor then collected the (unaccompanied) refrigerated trailer off a ferry at Purfleet at 0105 yesterday, having arrived from Zeebrugge. It was then driven to the trading estate in Grays, where it arrived at 0130. The driver got out, and opened the back doors to discover the bodies. He rang the ambulance service and was then arrested on suspicion of murder!
It would appear he had no contact with the trailer before picking it up, so even if he was the one that turned on the refrigeration plant, it would not have killed anyone in the 25 minutes it took to get to Grays. So he cannot be guilty of causing the death of the 39 Chinese.
I think the only doubt in my mind is whether he could be "in on it", and was told what the cargo was, and that he should open the back door to allow their escape when he got to Grays. He might have pocketed a few notes, so MAY be guilty (at most, in my opinion) of something like "conspiracy to conduct people smuggling/modern slavery/etc".
But the police need to release this guy as soon as possible if they have no other evidence (e.g. from the house searches in Northern Ireland, where he comes from), and don't make him a scapegoat for what is probably a massive international operation!
The evidence seems to suggest that the tractor unit he was driving entered the UK at Holyhead off a ferry from Dublin on Saturday. He has probably done a load of pick-ups and drop-offs of trailers all over UK since then.
The tractor then collected the (unaccompanied) refrigerated trailer off a ferry at Purfleet at 0105 yesterday, having arrived from Zeebrugge. It was then driven to the trading estate in Grays, where it arrived at 0130. The driver got out, and opened the back doors to discover the bodies. He rang the ambulance service and was then arrested on suspicion of murder!
It would appear he had no contact with the trailer before picking it up, so even if he was the one that turned on the refrigeration plant, it would not have killed anyone in the 25 minutes it took to get to Grays. So he cannot be guilty of causing the death of the 39 Chinese.
I think the only doubt in my mind is whether he could be "in on it", and was told what the cargo was, and that he should open the back door to allow their escape when he got to Grays. He might have pocketed a few notes, so MAY be guilty (at most, in my opinion) of something like "conspiracy to conduct people smuggling/modern slavery/etc".
But the police need to release this guy as soon as possible if they have no other evidence (e.g. from the house searches in Northern Ireland, where he comes from), and don't make him a scapegoat for what is probably a massive international operation!
OffenhamSkyBlue
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I hope if he is innocent that he gets a shit-hot personal injury lawyer and goes after every one of those media bastards for every penny they have! Essex Police have said they will not speculate as to the bloke's identity. Sadly the mainstream media have not followed their example.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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So the police have been given an extra 24 hours to trump something up against the driver!
It's in the eyes.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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If they were Chinese, i would go along with the trafficking or modern slavery suggestion, rather than just smuggling in asylum seekers.
Nick
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I agree, if she could have got the workers cheaper it would have saved the taxpayers a fortune.
Otis
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Yes, I thought the same. Seems incredibly early on in to change the bloke with murder and plaster his face everywhere.
Just wondering how they have seemingly proven that he knew and was involved.
Grendel
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When was he charged?
Otis
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Yes, sorry, my mistake. Arrested on suspicion of murder.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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The amount of trolldom on Twitter of this guy is astounding. They are even turning it into a sectarian issue!!
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Shouldn't even be about him anyway, he'll either be charged or not. To make it about him pushes aside the fact 39 people have died.
I suspect you might feel differently if it was you. It’s about everybody involved in this horrific event
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This thread shifted towards one man, and that means the other lot are pushed aside and are seemingly worthless. Before that, there's the odd fucking disrespectful comment about identification, and the fact there were no other safe countries between China and England.
Meanwhile 39 people fucking die, and instead the outrage is about one man. Not about the fact 39 people get to a position in their life where uprooting themselves and putting themselves in peril is seen as their best way out of whatever misery they have. If the driver's innocent, he'll be found innocent. Those people have no way back. Forget the rights and wrongs, that's a fucking tragedy.