Astute
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Politics in the UK is very poor.
General Election 2019 thread (63 Viewers)
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RegTheDonk
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I'd actually like to see his views on this again after the last election. Isn't he all for scapping our new nukes?
SBAndy
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Farage wants election 'alliance' with Tories
Ah, that plan of the Tories and BXP not colluding lasted long.
Ah, that plan of the Tories and BXP not colluding lasted long.
Astute
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I can. That is why I say for the first time ever I might not vote.
Was talking to my wife last night (as usual). She said record amounts of expats are registering to vote. Not many will be for the Tories. Will make a difference on the seats that are close.
How many that live elsewhere to the UK will want the right to live elsewhere be taken away? Maybe we are in for a hung parliament or even a shock result.
Astute
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How many others plan what Farage says he wants?
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slyblue57
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Waiting for Corbyn and Abbots first trade deal. Its with Hamas, i believe.
We ll have more money tho as they re abolishing all armed forces, curbing any Police powers, allowing unfettered immigration and having the first ISIS member of parliament. Oh and the Monarchy and the National Anthem.
We ll have more money tho as they re abolishing all armed forces, curbing any Police powers, allowing unfettered immigration and having the first ISIS member of parliament. Oh and the Monarchy and the National Anthem.
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And back in reality...
Would have thought all Brexiteers would be delighted to see the Monarchy abolished anyway, getting rid of all those unelected freeloaders, after all...
Johnnythespider
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One, Donald Trump endorsed this leave alliance on Farage's radio show
Ian1779
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Is this parody or just casual racism... who knows anymore.
Astute
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So a pair of twats agree on something.
Try again. How many that are not fookin idiots..........
shmmeee
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Get help. And maybe stay off the internet.
shmmeee
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Captial flight is such bollocks. Oh you want to pull your business out of the sixth biggest market on the planet? OK, we have plenty of entrepreneurs to take your place.
The masses are the market and the wealth creators, not some bloke siphoning cash to the Caymans.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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Interesting, not least because BXP sent an email out last week saying why Boris's deal "isn't the Brexit you voted for".
NB I had the email forwarded to me - i am not a member of the UXB party, or whatever they're called!
Philosoraptor
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About the nuke question, we probably wouldn't use them anyway.
The primary idea of having them is a deterrent. If an attack is incoming then the idea for a deterrent hasn't worked which makes them vengeance weapons.
We are also one of the few countries who have not ruled out using them first.
Interesting stuff.
skybluetony176
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I see Ferage is threatening a tactic that’s sure to delay Brexit further or even stop it altogether. What is it with these brexiteers. It’s almost as if they need the attention and if brexit happens the jig is up.
shmmeee
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Seems his play is “Abandon your deal and well stand down”. Can’t see it working TBH. Great news for me as a Remainer.
slyblue57
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lol maybe get help and accept democracy.
shmmeee
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What are you even on about?
Honestly, you’re ranting like the lonely bloke in the pub.
Didn’t know that about Kansas SBD ! Interesting example
The wider point I was making across various posts was that the economy is far from straight forward and there are a variety of factors. Whilst Kansas may not have seen any direct benefits from be removal of business tax’s, if a company needed staff but wasnt making sufficient profits to justify one, a reduction in business tax may help with this
ps also, nobody can tell me that a reduction in business rates wouldn’t help many businesses on the high st, thereby at least securing (even if not increasing) employment.
Grendel
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More graphs. Real wage growth since 2008, only Mexico and Greece lower in the OECD.
No doubt someone will tell me this is also Labour’s fault
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No its just more misleading hogwash decide to create a story and fool the gullible like yourself
The key word that is exploited here is the word average. So that means actually more people could have improved wages far above the average than not. Consider the following
- In an ageing economy where people at the top of the wage sphere are retiring and more lower paid people start work then this distorts the figure significantly
- Countries with higher unemployment rates can actually do better by this measurement - countries like the UK which have higher employment levels actually will do worse on this measure
So for example consider this:
It is a fact that in 2014 average earnings grew by only 0.1% BUT those in work for more than a year grew by 4.1% so the data tells us nothing without the detail
Another fact -- wages are now on the increase and since the Lib Dem involvement in the coalition have consistently increased above inflation. So is this recommending Tory alone strategy?
This year has seen a significant upturn has it not? An 11 year high on this measure
Oh this graph is by Geoff Tily - a Labour activist and yet again economist for the TUC
Well I never
The sharpest percentage average drop happened under Labour in this period of evaluation
shmmeee
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The main point with a lot of this argument is if a business isn’t profitable the state or its employees shouldn’t be subsidising it unless it has clear social value. The benefits of capitalism only appear if you allow bad businesses to fail.
High street shops are a good example. Consumer habits are hurting the high street, people have decided they’d prefer to shop online. Why should the state prop up something the market doesn’t value?
What to do with high streets and which businesses have social value is an important debate to have, and it may be that the answer is some for of taxpayer support. But that’s a very different conversation.
There’s also the issue of not all jobs are good jobs that allow employees to be active consumers and customers of other businesses. Retail generally is low paid with little progression opportunities. And as I say long term most retail jobs will be automated away.
If you want good jobs, you create an environment which produces high skilled workers with a positive regulatory environment and a healthy market of consumers with money to spend. That’s investment in infrastructure, education and research and decent pay. Which is Labours policy platform
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skybluetony176
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Medical student 'pushed aside by Boris Johnson aide' when she tried to confront PM about NHS
Ha ha ha. Pushed out the way by an aide for asking a question.
Stick to the primary schools Boris, five year olds have less chance of asking you meaningful questions which means you’re in your safe environment of not needing to give meaningful answers.
Ha ha ha. Pushed out the way by an aide for asking a question.
Stick to the primary schools Boris, five year olds have less chance of asking you meaningful questions which means you’re in your safe environment of not needing to give meaningful answers.
Grendel
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The main point with a lot of this argument is if a business isn’t profitable the state or its employees shouldn’t be subsidising it unless it has clear social value. The benefits of capitalism only appear if you allow bad businesses to fail.
High street shops are a good example. Consumer habits are hurting the high street, people have decided they’d prefer to shop online. Why should the state prop up something the market doesn’t value?
What to do with high streets and which businesses have social value is an important debate to have, and it may be that the answer is some for of taxpayer support. But that’s a very different conversation.
There’s also the issue of not all jobs are good jobs that allow employees to be active consumers and customers of other businesses. Retail generally is low paid with little progression opportunities. And as I say long term most retail jobs will be automated away.
If you want good jobs, you create an environment which produces high skilled workers with a positive regulatory environment and a healthy market of consumers with money to spend. That’s investment in infrastructure, education and research and decent pay. Which is Labours policy platform
80% don’t shop online and will not exceed 50% until at least 2030 according to forecasts and trends
Seriously
clint van damme
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And the BBC reported on his visit but didn't report on this or the fact he was booed by staff and patients.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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I voted leave in 2016, and i still think being free of the shackles of federalism in Europe would be good for the UK as a whole. The problem is that Corbyn, Spurgeon, et al have only *opposed*, and while their suggestions of remaining in the single market and customs union (i.e. the European Economic Community that we signed up to in 1973) are quite acceptable to many, they have failed to work with the government to try to get that into a deal. I would certainly be supportive of that approach, but frankly i am so pissed off with the lot of them that i don't actually care if we leave or not anymore - just make it go away so the government can make decisions on frankly more important domestic and international issues!
If you want good jobs, you create an environment which produces high skilled workers with a positive regulatory environment and a healthy market of consumers with money to spend. That’s investment in infrastructure, education and research and decent pay. Which is Labours policy platform
Can’t argue with most of that final para to be fair Shmmeee! Labour needs to ensure it is still encouraging business though...as without them, there isn’t going to be much employment going on !!!
Grendel
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Hopefully a sign of what’s to come
Conservative candidate claims vacant Bromsgrove South seat on County Council
Conservative candidate claims vacant Bromsgrove South seat on County Council
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The government have never given them the chance to have this as an option.
shmmeee
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Can’t argue with most of that final para to be fair Shmmeee! Labour needs to ensure it is still encouraging business though...as without them, there isn’t going to be much employment going on !!!
Agreed. There’s a few bits of rhetoric I don’t agree with. But I also don’t agree that all business needs is lower taxes. Every business owners wants to reduce costs, that’s fair enough, but they also need to pay for what they use.
All this Brexit delay is a result of the Tories wanting to own the Brexit vote. If they’d have reached out at the start for a cross party consensus they’d have been out by the original date. Instead they built something a majority couldn’t support with the hope of bullying those on their own side into accepting it and painting Labour as “stopping Brexit”.
OffenhamSkyBlue
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I wish something more had come from the "indicative votes" a way back. I think that was the closest the House ever got to a sensible consensus, but there was never really any time given for meaningful debate on any of the alternative options.
I certainly take the point about not being allowed to promote ideas - even when May said she was going to have cross-party collaboration, it never really happened in any meaningful way, AFAIK.
It's all just a complete crock!
I certainly take the point about not being allowed to promote ideas - even when May said she was going to have cross-party collaboration, it never really happened in any meaningful way, AFAIK.
It's all just a complete crock!
Agree shmmeee, I don’t see the need for lower business taxes for all either (ie for massively profitable businesses) however, I see no issue with, for example, business rate exemptions for SMEs/certain retailers. Whoever is next in government needs to tackle to unfair playing field between multi nationals (moving profits to minimise tax) and those that have to play by the rules and pay their fair share. Appreciate this isn’t easy with international cooperation though
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There were a couple that came close. The sensible option would have been to take the three most popular options, and debate them properly, try and find a consensus. Instead, government ploughed its furrow - mainly to appease ERG mentalists.
Ironically, May would have probably still been in charge if she'd ignored the rump of her own party!
OffenhamSkyBlue
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Corrected for you!