shmmeee
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I thought that at first, but the idea of halving the vote is wrong. As the article says the Tories grew their vote in 2017 beyond what the difference with Labour was and still lost.
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I thought that at first, but the idea of halving the vote is wrong. As the article says the Tories grew their vote in 2017 beyond what the difference with Labour was and still lost.
shmmeee
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Both parties have the same golden rule: no current deficit. (Match day to day spending with income). Both are planning to borrow huge amounts for capital expenditure.
Maybe look at what’s actually being said rather than relying on a heuristic that’s isn’t even correct but was closest in the 70s.
Astute
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The idea is correct in principle. Just the normal way the Tories will push bullshit in their push for votes. But while they thought they were being clever they were not clever enough.
100 votes behind. 50 votes taken off them leaves them level and not ahead like they said. But taking 51 votes off them makes all the difference. That is 2 ahead and not level.
Don't worry. The worse bullshit is still to come. This was a simple mistake. The lies will start soon.
shmmeee
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Yeah I agree with your overall point. It’s a bit lame as “lies” go.
Astute
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IIRC Labour is 25b a year borrowing. McDonnell wants to spend hundreds of billions. That is a lot of money to raise from extra tax. This is the big worry of mine. Brown did it last time with the pension obliteration. It has affected everyone with a pension. I'm hoping that there isn't another hidden tax. And whatever your views are on Labour you can't say that you know it won't happen again. We didn't have a clue what Brown had planned. Nothing was said until it was implemented. The Tories have made several changes to pensions. But for once they affect the rich only.
Just when you think the tories couldn’t fuck up the first few days of their campaign anymore labour seem to manage to make an equal mistake right after (both having candidates pull out overnight due to controversial remarks in the pat).
Both our main parties are full of rot and need a huge clear out. Or maybe both need to split into two smaller parties rather than keep purging their moderates.
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Both our main parties are full of rot and need a huge clear out. Or maybe both need to split into two smaller parties rather than keep purging their moderates.
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Grendel
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Astute
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Could be a big mistake by Labour. Kicking him out for being on the side of the electorate. 78% of the vote last time and now standing as independent Labour.
As I said before they shouldn't start with the children so young. It upset my little girl. She thought she was going to be gay and not be able to have children. Let them have a childhood. 9 is too young for this.
She knows people who are gay. When she lived with me she had neighbours who are. I have friends who are. She saw it as normal until the school got involved.
SkyBlueDom26
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Points based immigration system then for the conservatives....what does everybody make of that? Personally I think it would be a great idea! Works well in Aus
How does it compare to Labours immigration system?
Tory plan to attract more NHS staff from abroad
How does it compare to Labours immigration system?
Tory plan to attract more NHS staff from abroad
shmmeee
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I swear you don’t read what you reply to.
Both the Tories and Labour are excluding capital spending from the deficit. Why are you linking the hundreds of billions of spending to tax increases when that’s not how they will be paid for?
Simple question: do you think the richest in this country (people and companies) pay enough tax? Does Amazon pay enough? Starbucks? Google?
Smaller parties are no better. UKIP/BXP candidates fall like flies. Lib Dem’s have their share of mentals. Greens are all mental.
The problem is only those who are a bit weird commit to local party politics and the normies stay away. We need more political engagement at all levels if we want better politicians.
Astute
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I don't listen?
OK. How are the hundreds of billions of extra spending going to be raised? So it won't be borrowed and it won't be raised by tax. Must be the magic money tree again.
I constantly say about the tax dodgers must be chased. But the only time you have ever questioned me on this is when I mentioned Juncker for costing us countless billions over the years for the tax dodges he set up. Then you defended him. But yet again you try to make out that I never say anything about tax dodgers. How unusual.
I agree we need better politicians. I take it you are not going to try and say that I don't constantly make this point? But look at those who get parachuted in and look at those they get rid of. Look at the one they picked out in the news today. It has become do as you are told or else. We end up being left with the crud and the decent ones re bit allowed to speak. And yes this is all parties.
Astute
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What a scruffy looking twat.
SkyBlueDom26
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Is this Idiot paid to talk shite for a living??? How many times does it have to be said that the USA do no want our NHS or anything from it.... more scare tactics
skybluetony176
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He said you don’t READ. Talk about proving the point.
Astute
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He is a politician. Of course he gets paid for chatting shite. They all do.
skybluetony176
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Holy shit. Ladies and gentlemen, our PM Boris Johnson gives rambling incoherent Brexit speech on election trail
Boris Johnson says single market access after Brexit is 'great deal' for Northern Ireland
Boris Johnson says single market access after Brexit is 'great deal' for Northern Ireland
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Maybe you’re right. There’s certainly a problem somewhere. My thought on smaller parties was just that the tories need to purge the ERG and Labour need to split into Corbynites and something closer to the centre.
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Astute
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Sounds like a good idea. The benchmark for someone like the Lib Dems. But they are never sure which side of the line to go. Because they can never keep to the middle.
SkyBlueDom26
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Remember this when you're voting for Jeremy Corbyn
shmmeee
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Im a bit of an outlier here I accept. But I don’t want bespoke parties for every man and his dog. Same as I don’t actually want PR. I like compromise and acceptance that you can’t have it all your own way in a democracy.
shmmeee
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Trump: 'NHS on the table in US-UK trade deal'
They clearly do want it. And as for “why don’t you trust lying liar Boris Johnson??” Hmmm, let me think:
The way I see it though is you don’t get compromise with large parties, it tends to be the vision of a few who whip their MPs and carrot them with prominent roles. Look at the awfulness which is half of both the cabinet and shadow cabinet.
What if like to see is something that creates more coalitions where people are forced to compromise and the trend of direction is set by the public through the weighting of each party.
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SkyBlueDom26
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Look at my previous Video i just put on the thread, your happy to vote for someone like that?
shmmeee
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The one full of half truths and exaggerations? Yeah why not?
I’ve said before I don’t share Corbyns views on all foreign policy but we don’t live in a dictatorship despite Johnson’s efforts and I don’t think most of the LP share them. He’s naive to always believe the underdog and he’s been part of the left that picks the underdogs regardless. I suspect since he’s been in Privy Council he’s had his eyes opened as most radicals who get into power do.
What are you scared of exactly?
skybluetony176
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So when Parliament reconvenes after the GE and the SNP MP’s start tabling bills to bring in the law that protects the NHS from Trump are you fully expecting the Tories to support them?
skybluetony176
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Apparently Boris has carried on today how he left of yesterday. Incoherent ramblings. To Nottingham school children this time. He seems intent on making Diane Abbott look an articulate intellectual.
SkyBlueDom26
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Should be ashamed after hearing what he says in that video, says alot about you...
Corbyn is a danger to this country's security
chiefdave
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How did he pass his vetting for security clearance?
SkyBlueDom26
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:emoji_moneybag::emoji_moneybag::emoji_moneybag:
shmmeee
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Surely then the fact our security services can be bought off by an old bloke on his allotment is more of a worry for a security fan like you?
By the way, what are your thoughts on Johnson’s links with the Russian mafia that the security services were worried about? Or his sitting on a report into Russian meddling in our elections? You know, the Russians that have actually done things on our soil in recent times.
What about the FBI investigation into Farage? Or Aaron Banks links with Russian mafia? Or the fact the Tories sold off our power and telecoms infrastructure to the Chinese?
I mean, you don’t just pretend to be concerned about national security for political points scoring do you?
SkyBlueDom26
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Goodbye Labour
SkyBlueDom26
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No evidence, no proof and certainly no videos openly expressing support to terrorist groups