General Election 2019 thread (19 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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Boris got the deal he wanted didn’t he?
Astute
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Ah. But several on here even think we are in a better position when putting no deal off the table. Still waiting for someone to explain how though.
chiefdave
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skybluetony176
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Water of a ducks back. He couldn’t give a fuck.
SkyBlueDom26
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Should he not be trying to side with the SNP?
Otis
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Edited for you.
skybluetony176
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Boris got the deal he wanted didn’t he? You’ve witnessed why it wasn’t a bargaining chip. Why do you need it explained to you?
Ian1779
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The Tories have no policies... their only coherent policy is ‘Grrr Corbyn’
Labour have loads - whether people like them or not is another matter.
Ian1779
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Because some people are planning to abstain - hence the loss of Tory votes. Why would people be talking about abstaining if the Tory Brexit is the same as the BXP Brexit?
shmmeee
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People do. They consistently poll well.
Grendel
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Why does the one poll that factors in the withdrawal of the party in the specific seats give it a 14 point lead a s has Brexit at sub 4%?
Grendel
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well everyone would say they want a 4 day week on the same pay - they just know It’s bollocks as labour now admit
shmmeee
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People will coalesce around the two big parties. It’s already happening and will only speed up as we get towards polling day. Farage and Swinson both doing their level best to piss off their own voters as well.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Well, he got the election he wanted anyway. Whether he got the deal he wanted is debatable as he kept looking for any excuse he could to pull it.
Grendel
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Clueless
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Still way too early to predict the outcome IMO. God knows what monumental gaffes and fuck-ups all of them will do in the next few weeks. How will Alexander do in the debates? (Mind you as long as he turns up he's outperformed May)
Even the weather on the day could have an impact. More likelihood of poor driving conditions and accidents so people may be late home. I think the elderly will do their best to get out and vote, or use postal/proxy to avoid the problem. If anything it'll affect the young turnout who can't be bothered to go out in the cold or will be too busy with Xmas parties etc. Fewer right-wing/leave parties esp with Brexit pulling out of more seats s each day goes by but left/remain is split between Lab/LD/Green/SNP/PC also favours Tories.
If I had to stick my neck out I'd say Tories were the only ones likely to get a majority, but it's by no means a certainty.
Even the weather on the day could have an impact. More likelihood of poor driving conditions and accidents so people may be late home. I think the elderly will do their best to get out and vote, or use postal/proxy to avoid the problem. If anything it'll affect the young turnout who can't be bothered to go out in the cold or will be too busy with Xmas parties etc. Fewer right-wing/leave parties esp with Brexit pulling out of more seats s each day goes by but left/remain is split between Lab/LD/Green/SNP/PC also favours Tories.
If I had to stick my neck out I'd say Tories were the only ones likely to get a majority, but it's by no means a certainty.
Johnson is ore than happy with having an election. He can then look to securing no deal in a years time. It is pandering to the far right in his party (and the Brexit party) to ensure he is in power. It is why he couldn't wait to ditch those that voted against a no deal.
The right wing tory and ERG types only care about power and control - how anyone can trust them and vote for them is beyond me.
Astute
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So your vote losses from the Tories has bow become people abstaining. And you also say now that it is an 'If'
SkyBlueDom26
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Just not true is it, a large amount of brexit voters don't mind what Farage has done.....
Labour turned down some sort of remain alliance with the lib dems remember.... doubt they will be pissed at Swinson for it
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skybluetony176
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Because A) they’ve only withdrawn from current Tory seats and B) the polls have consistently shown that for every vote the Brexit Party takes of Labour they take two of the Conservatives. It only could go up when you factor in the facts.
SkyBlueDom26
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No electoral deals with Labour, Swinson insists
Stubborn Swinson, she's giving Corbyn no chance haha....
Stubborn Swinson, she's giving Corbyn no chance haha....
Ian1779
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I gave my opinion on what I think COULD happen. I merely pointed out that the variables could work in both ways... it was not a nailed on positive for the Tories.
Now do you agree/disagree with my point or not, rather than this cryptic procession we are in?
Philosoraptor
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Again, this can't be pointed out enough. The scale of what Labour is up against in Scotland and the part reason there was a seismic shift to SNP.
And don't forget Aberdeen Labour. It's like a page from a horror novel.
And don't forget Aberdeen Labour. It's like a page from a horror novel.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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I think it's more delusional than anything. Farage has accepted that he can't win the election outright and IMO may be being savvy pulling more and more people so if they do badly he can use the standing candidates down as an excuse for that and claiming they'd have won some of those.
Swinson on the other hand seems to actually belief LD can be the largest party and she could be PM.
Of course there are policy differences between them but it seems they're making errors just like in the coalition. By doing this they're making it more likely to be Tory win and thus enabling Brexit, the stopping of which is their flagship policy. Sometimes you have to lose battles to win wars.
Astute
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Look back. It was what you stated as fact. That is why I asked you questions. Now it seems that you agree with me. Nothing cryptic there.
SkyBlueDom26
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Im glad she is then!! Long may her delusion continue
shmmeee
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That Scottish Labour guy used to bitch about Blair being too left wing. He’s representative of no one but himself. He was Labour because he was Scottish and at the time you were Labour or you weren’t in politics.
Scotland will be SNP for a while now.
SkyBlueDom26
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No reason why the conservatives can't take some SNP seats
Philosoraptor
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Precisely, and the scary thing is this can be exactly applied to CCC as well with Labour's overwhelming majority.
shmmeee
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Swinsons entire shtick is taking remain leaning anti-Corbyn voters. Corbyns is a balanced Brexit position and an expanded state. They can’t go into coalition without killing their own votes.
Best that could happen is unilateral decisions to stand down by individual candidates, which looks like it’s happening in some places but then the Libs are trying their best to fuck that up. Because shooting themselves in the face is what Lib Dem’s do best.
Astute
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Other than the Tories are trying to force Brexit through and the Scottish want to remain in the EU.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Apart from SNP being pro-remain in a pro-remain country and pro-independence when Alexander has specifically ruled out another independence referendum.......