General Election 2019 thread (18 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

Because we haven't left yet....

Don't you find it ironic how we will leave in Jan if Boris wins yet there will be more delays if Corbyn gets in with another 6 months negotiating a new deal... You haven't got a leg to stand on

Oh yeah and all the delays from another referendum after the deal has been negotiated

What the ever loving fuck are you on about?

I said Labour are banking on Brexit not staying forever to retain their coalition of voters. You said it would, I said how, you said other issues, I said then it’s not lasting forever, now you’re saying it will.

Are you OK?

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Because we haven't left yet....

Don't you find it ironic how we will leave in Jan if Boris wins yet there will be more delays if Corbyn gets in with another 6 months negotiating a new deal... You haven't got a leg to stand on

Oh yeah and all the delays from another referendum after the deal has been negotiated

Do you not accept that what we have right now is a referendum by proxy, when we could have had another vote and either completed or revoked Brexit in less time than this has taken? How about selling Northern Ireland down the river when the fat twat himself said that was a red line in the past?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

What the ever loving fuck are you on about?

I said Labour are banking on Brexit not paying forever to retain their coalition of voters. You said it would, I said how, you said other issues, I said then it’s not lasting forever, now you’re saying it will.

Are you OK?

You make no sense, i was on about other issues and how Boris would get onto them quicker with brexit being done by Jan

Are you OK

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You make no sense, i was on about other issues and how Boris would get onto them quicker with brexit being done by Jan

Interesting how whenever he promises more spending on anything you don't shout that it will bankrupt the country.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Interesting how whenever he promises more spending on anything you don't shout that it will bankrupt the country.

Have you seen the amount of spending Labour intend to do?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Have you seen the amount of spending Labour intend to do?

I will when the manifesto is released and I can scrutinise the total amounts along with the costings. Did you read the costings in the 2017 manifestos? The Tory one didn't really bother to make any.

Did you question where the £2 billion bribe to the DUP came from back then?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Did you question where the £2 billion bribe to the DUP came from back then?

Didn't happen

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Didn't happen

You do realise this exists right

The £1BILLION bribe: Tories sign deal with DUP but taxpayers foot the bill

 

[CCFCSteve]

But waiting time’s have got noticeably worse at a faster rate the last five years. That’s my point. Maybe GP contracts had an impact 15 years ago but that doesn’t explain the changes since.

to be clear I’m talking about a change of rate, not a change of absolute numbers that could be explained by a historic factor.

understand. I was just saying that there are various factors behind the headline, one of which was the GP contract (that is still a factor as practices are still closed evenings and weekends). Other factors could/will be increased population, ageing population, issues with wider social care (not enough being spent), poorer health, too many drunks etc etc as well as the need for additional cash (and specifically where the money is spent)

If there’s 8m more admissions pa since 2004, how many new doctors and nurses will you need to cover that in A&E (rhetorical, I haven’t got a clue).

We spend £130bn pa on the nhs. I read the other day that £50bn on salaries (the 5th highest employer in the world)

I wish the solution was just ‘we’ll spend more than you argument’ but as I’ve said, it can’t be the sole solution.

I personally think the major parties need to stop politicising it and work on a cross party solution.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

You do realise this exists right

The £1BILLION bribe: Tories sign deal with DUP but taxpayers foot the bill

haha i remember when i put an express link up and got slaughtered

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Keep loving off Corbyn ya knob, need to get you're head out the clouds and realise how bad he would be

Completely deluded

Keep loving off Boris , need to get you're head out the clouds and realise how bad he has proved to be

Completely deluded

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

haha i remember when i put an express link up and got slaughtered

I could put it up from any newspaper. Still denying it?

 

[shmmeee]

You make no sense, i was on about other issues and how Boris would get onto them quicker with brexit being done by Jan

Are you OK

Jan 2021? Maybe. I’d be surprised is we didn’t go for an extension though to negotiate a FTA.

Crossed wires I think. I was talking longer term whether the Tories can ride Brexit forever and if not how they’ll keep their new voter base.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I could put it up from any newspaper. Still denying it?

Over exaggerating as usual

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

understand. I was just saying that there are various factors behind the headline, one of which was the GP contract (that is still a factor as practices are still closed evenings and weekends). Other factors could/will be increased population, ageing population, issues with wider social care (not enough being spent), poorer health, too many drunks etc etc as well as the need for additional cash (and specifically where the money is spent)

If there’s 8m more admissions pa since 2004, how many new doctors and nurses will you need to cover that in A&E (rhetorical, I haven’t got a clue).

We spend £130bn pa on the nhs. I read the other day that £50bn on salaries (the 5th highest employer in the world)

I wish the solution was just ‘we’ll spend more than you argument’ but as I’ve said, it can’t be the sole solution.

I personally think the major parties need to stop politicising it and work on a cross party solution.

It should only be free at the point of use for UK citizens for a start.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I was talking longer term whether the Tories can ride Brexit forever and if not how they’ll keep their new voter base.

Well the pressure is now on to deliver brexit

 

[CCFCSteve]

All it takes:

To some extent you’re probably right BSB ! But for a posh boy to get the type of (current !) support from the working class, there must be a something more.....one is undoubtedly he’s not corbyn. Labour should be wiping the floor in recent years

If there is more middle/upper class support for labour than working class there is something fundamentally wrong

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Over exaggerating as usual

Never admitting he's wrong as usual. How about those 2017 manifestos? Did you go after the Tories' reckless lack of costings for their pledges?

Just be consistent. I've criticised Labour and Corbyn countless times when I think they screw up. Take off the blue ConDom and smell the coffee

 

[CCFCSteve]

It should only be free at the point of use for UK citizens for a start.

Is that you really BSB ?!!

 

[shmmeee]

understand. I was just saying that there are various factors behind the headline, one of which was the GP contract (that is still a factor as practices are still closed evenings and weekends). Other factors could/will be increased population, ageing population, issues with wider social care (not enough being spent), poorer health, too many drunks etc etc as well as the need for additional cash (and specifically where the money is spent)

If there’s 8m more admissions pa since 2004, how many new doctors and nurses will you need to cover that in A&E (rhetorical, I haven’t got a clue).

We spend £130bn pa on the nhs. I read the other day that £50bn on salaries (the 5th highest employer in the world)

I wish the solution was just ‘we’ll spend more than you argument’ but as I’ve said, it can’t be the sole solution.

I personally think the major parties need to stop politicising it and work on a cross party solution.

Health, like policing, is an area that catches the fallout from all other government policy. If you want to reduce spend you need to tackle the causes of it and that takes a long time. In the mean time you’ve got to pay for the stuff you’ve already caused.

NHS funding has been restricted more than any point in its history, and its had a costly and largely pointless restructuring, and the surrounding services like MH and SC have been decimated. That’s what’s causing this issue right now. Drunks and old people aren’t problems that have suddenly appeared and aren’t to blame for the current crisis. That’s purely on funding and management or lack thereof.

It does cost a lot. But it also saves a lot and we decided as a country health is a human right. So that’s an entirely different argument to have. We can afford it if we want to though.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Take off the blue ConDom and smell the coffee

Hahahaha so funny, should become a comedian

 

[shmmeee]

Well the pressure is now on to deliver brexit

Curious as a leave voter for your opinion on when you’ve consider Brexit “done” as an issue.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Curious as a leave voter for your opinion on when you’ve consider Brexit “done” as an issue.

What?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

To some extent you’re probably right BSB ! But for a posh boy to get the type of (current !) support from the working class, there must be a something more.....one is undoubtedly he’s not corbyn. Labour should be wiping the floor in recent years

If there is more middle/upper class support for labour than working class there is something fundamentally wrong

He appeals to the base by virtue of wisecracks and catch all statements that don't mean anything but allow anyone to think he's standing up for them. Will just park this as a reminder to Dumb as to what the Tories think of voters like him:

 

[shmmeee]

To some extent you’re probably right BSB ! But for a posh boy to get the type of (current !) support from the working class, there must be a something more.....one is undoubtedly he’s not corbyn. Labour should be wiping the floor in recent years

If there is more middle/upper class support for labour than working class there is something fundamentally wrong

Johnson is actually less popular than May was at the same time. Male of that what you will. We live in an age of very unpopular politicians.

 

[shmmeee]

What?

When will you be happy that Boris has “got brexit done”? Will it be when we enter the transition period? When that ends? When we’ve got all the trade deals.

At what point do you think it’s less important that we are lead by a Brexiter and care more about other issues.

This isn’t a gotcha. Curious as to when you’ll consider it done is all.

 

[shmmeee]

He appeals to the base by virtue of wisecracks and catch all statements that don't mean anything but allow anyone to think he's standing up for them. Will just park this as a reminder to Dumb as to what the Tories think of voters like him:

He’s also adept at promising everyone he meets whatever they want. Then not delivering. That’s why his colleagues have all said he’s a nice guy but don’t trust him to get anything done.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Is that you really BSB ?!!

I also think the amount spent on foreign aid is a waste and should be going back into fixing poverty in our own country first, and disagree strongly with Corbyn when it comes to his views on big pharma and the reasons behind high drug prices. It isn't about being on a team for me, it's about a) the policies and b) recognising that in a 2 party system you have to pick the lesser of 2 evils. I haven't always voted Labour and am open to change in the future.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

agree and that’s also relevant in relation to a lot of areas in ‘real life’....MPs from all persuasions just don’t live in the real world !

cash is not the sole solution for the nhs though SBD. More obviously helps, however, with an ageing population and greater genuine calls on GP practices and hospitals it’s more important than ever for people to not take those services for granted

I'm not saying throw money at it. It will play a part though.

I think we do need to consider charges for some things, such as self-inflicted injury etc. The treatment free at the point of delivery is a great thing but has led to some people being reckless. For example having to pay for injuries caused while intoxicated could likely provide cash for the NHS, improve behaviour and thus reduce police costs etc as well as reduce NHS pressure with fewer injuries and long term health/social problems from alcohol. Might stop some people getting to know Henry on a more personal basis too!

Other than that I'd also love to see there be more of a proactive service spotting problems with an 'MOT' every few years rather than reacting when they occur. Problems would be spotted quicker and thus could be dealt with easier and with cheaper drugs/therapy, but how these tests would be done is for consultation with doctors on a risk/reward basis focusing on patient health rather than financial cost.

Another thing I'd probably like to see even though it's likely more expensive short-term is stuff like cosmetic surgeries etc taken off (apart from in special cases) and instead it being considered a mental health issue. If you have low confidence because you don't like the way you look even if your body is healthy (and messing with it with surgery is more likely to lead to future problems) then that is a bigger issue than bigger tits is going to solve.

To a lesser extent I'd do the same with stuff like IVF. Deal with the psychological issue of wanting children and encourage adoption/fostering first. This would also have the effect of hopefully reducing future pressures on the system by halting population growth.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He’s also adept at promising everyone he meets whatever they want. Then not delivering. That’s why his colleagues have all said he’s a nice guy but don’t trust him to get anything done.

We can criticise Jezza for getting dirty with Diane but not Johnson who has porked half of Britain

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I also think the amount spent on foreign aid is a waste and should be going back into fixing poverty in our own country first, and disagree strongly with Corbyn when it comes to his views on big pharma and the reasons behind high drug prices. It isn't about being on a team for me, it's about a) the policies and b) recognising that in a 2 party system you have to pick the lesser of 2 evils. I haven't always voted Labour and am open to change in the future.

I think foreign aid can help though. If people have at least the basic services and utilities and a half decent way of life they aren't going to be looking to emigrate to other countries with a totally different language and culture for a better lot in life. Best way to stop immigration IMO (and something that Brexit may actually achieve because immigration will drop because fewer people will want to come in the first place.

Prevention is better than cure.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I think foreign aid can help though. If people have at least the basic services and utilities and a half decent way of life they aren't going to be looking to emigrate to other countries with a totally different language and culture for a better lot in life. Best way to stop immigration IMO (and something that Brexit may actually achieve because immigration will drop because fewer people will want to come in the first place.

Prevention is better than cure.

I would rather aid only be administered in cases of natural or humanitarian disaster instead of a blank cheque that normally goes down a black hole. As long as we have homelessness and working poverty in this country I want the resources focussed on that instead.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I would rather aid only be administered in cases of natural or humanitarian disaster instead of a blank cheque that normally goes down a black hole. As long as we have homelessness and working poverty in this country I want the resources focussed on that instead.

I agree with you entirely about funding being creamed off, but I wasn't suggesting just giving money. I was thinking more along the lines of funding projects that we are also in control of.

I also understand about homlessness etc in this country but with a bit of joined up thinking if we have less migration it will ease pressure on social housing and hopefully have a knock on effect. Also with fewer migrants the downward pressure on wages would also be reduced.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I agree with you entirely about funding being creamed off, but I wasn't suggesting just giving money. I was thinking more along the lines of funding projects that we are also in control of.

I also understand about homlessness etc in this country but with a bit of joined up thinking if we have less migration it will ease pressure on social housing and hopefully have a knock on effect. Also with fewer migrants the downward pressure on wages would also be reduced.

There are studies in the US which show it would be more cost effective to simply house all of the homeless by comparison to all the secondary costs they incur. The foreign aid budget stands at around £10 billion. That could quite feasibly be cut in half or more and the money used to provide 'aid' to our own in need.

Though I'd much sooner we just have a higher minimum wage to address this issue and then commit to eliminating homelessness in its entirety

 

[Ian1779]

Just like Boris is more popular with the youth than Corbyn, lefties will still say different though

Boris Johnson has youth on his side in opinion poll as 18-24 group pick PM over Jeremy Corbyn

This data is about as credible as nominating Jordy Hiwula for the Ballon D’Or