General Election 2019 thread (21 Viewers)

[Brighton Sky Blue]

it’s funny, when everyone is getting all this free stuff taxes will go up for everyone then you’ll both be bitching about it then.... tax the rich no chance it will be tax increases for all

Imagine the conversations around Clement Attlee proposing the NHS back in 1945. The country was skint and blown to pieces, I guess people like you would be saying he'd bankrupt the country and there's no way we could do it without monstrous tax hikes on everyone. It isn't all 'free' if your taxes have gone into funding it.

Honestly it's like talking to a poundland Ben Shapiro

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

At the end of the day what really matters in life is happiness and actually there’s a really simple mechanism at hand to measure that against politics. The UN world happiness report. Just look at the top ten and then look at the politics of those countries. Surprisingly (or not, if you pay attention to what is actually happening in the world and not what’s reported in a heavily weighted right wing press) it’s socialist countries that dominate it. Or if you’re Boris Johnson, communists. Boris and his pals want us to emulate the US. You have to look a long way down the list to find the US and they’ve been regularly slipping. In fact if they fall much further I hear North Korea are planning a benefit concert for them.

So my advice to the forum is this. If you’re thinking about voting for the politics of the US and Trump, stop, take some deep breaths and consider the politics of countries such as Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland, New Zealand and other well known communist countries that sit in the top ten.

BUT VENEZUELA

 

[skybluetony176]

Another thing. Look how those countries in the top ten world happiness report also measure in other yard stick reports of what makes a country good and decent. It’s the same countries again and again.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Another thing. Look how those countries in the top ten world happiness report also measure in other yard stick reports of what makes a country good and decent. It’s the same countries again and again.

Life expectancy is an interesting one. The USA with its amazing free market health system is 4 years lower than ours.

 

[Grendel]

If even go further and say if you are in the position to afford to pay for healthcare (bupa etc) fucking crack on and do it.

agreed as with education

 

[skybluetony176]

Imagine the conversations around Clement Attlee proposing the NHS back in 1945. The country was skint and blown to pieces, I guess people like you would be saying he'd bankrupt the country and there's no way we could do it without monstrous tax hikes on everyone. It isn't all 'free' if your taxes have gone into funding it.

Honestly it's like talking to a poundland Ben Shapiro

Tory hero Harold MacMillan would have been labelled a Communist by Boris if he suggested a government funded house building project the size of the one he oversaw as a conservative housing minister should happen today on an equivalent scale based on population. It’s a measure of how far the Tories have slipped.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

You're just an obnoxious nasty piece of work.
There's nothing to be confused about when someone chooses to trivalise events like the holocaust as part of some pathetic point scoring.

You call it trivialise, not me...YOU trivialise the referendum outcome, not me

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Tory hero Harold MacMillan would have been labelled a Communist by Boris if he suggested a government funded house building project the size of the one he oversaw as a conservative housing minister should happen today on an equivalent scale based on population. It’s a measure of how far the Tories have slipped.

George Bush senior would probably be called a commie by today's Republicans for admitting that the country couldn't go on dishing out tax giveaways all over the place.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

And then you blindly lap up Johnson’s crap haha

But you aren't a nasty piece of work are you?

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[SkyblueBazza]

I know you're probably still at home but who pays for your telecoms and broadband? Could you go without it?

But hey.. let us further encourage the workshy - free super-fast Wi-Fi so you can play games & watch net tv all day.
A small minority will deserve it...the majority of those that benefit will not imo

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[SkyblueBazza]

I was reading that the average cost of broadband per month in the U.K. per household is £30, or £360 a year if you prefer. That sounds more like a tax cut than a tax rise to me.

Maybe that is because there are too many lazy fuckers who despite the opportunity to research just glibly pay.
It is the same with mobile contracts. I pay £15/month with unlimited everything...I don't even need a home broadband deal!

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[Sick Boy]

You call it trivialise, not me...YOU trivialise the referendum outcome, not me

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And you’re the one reducing the Holocaust to something comparable to the EU referendum.

You truly are despicable.

 

[skybluetony176]

Maybe that is because there are too many lazy fuckers who despite the opportunity to research just glibly pay.
It is the same with mobile contracts. I pay £15/month with unlimited everything...I don't even need a home broadband deal!

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Good for you, you’re clearly a lonely individual. I have a wife and 2 children so using your “un-lazy” method I’m already £30 a month down. Then my children need a PC and internet access to do their homework as a large percentage of it is done online. So I still need to pay £30 a month anyway. Pfft, real life hey.

 

[Johnnythespider]

Almost got into a fight with someone the other day when they said people on benefits don’t deserve access to the NHS.

I grew up in a single parent non working household and had meningitis when I was 3 and without the NHS I would be dead. Now I’m comfortable I am more than happy ‘paying it back.’

The rush to blame those at the very bottom of the pile is sickening to me, of course it is pushed by a press that is owned by tax avoiding billionaires, and for some unfathomable reason lapped up by the masses who get their information this way.

 

[Astute]

Life expectancy is an interesting one. The USA with its amazing free market health system is 4 years lower than ours.

But that is the point.

How many other countries of the world have a NHS? It costs an absolute fortune to run. But it does the job it was designed for. The problem is that now people live longer. So not only do we depend on the NHS for longer but now we have old age ailments we didn't used to have. Full time care costs a lot of money per person.

Then you get those who think that lifestyle health benefits are a right. Should this be allowed? Some will say yes others no. So the NHS has become a money pit.

 

[Astute]

The rush to blame those at the very bottom of the pile is sickening to me, of course it is pushed by a press that is owned by tax avoiding billionaires, and for some unfathomable reason lapped up by the masses who get their information this way.

So who is blaming those who are most needy?

 

[skybluetony176]

But hey.. let us further encourage the workshy - free super-fast Wi-Fi so you can play games & watch net tv all day.
A small minority will deserve it...the majority of those that benefit will not imo

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So who is blaming those who are most needy?

 

[skybluetony176]

Maybe that is because there are too many lazy fuckers who despite the opportunity to research just glibly pay.
It is the same with mobile contracts. I pay £15/month with unlimited everything...I don't even need a home broadband deal!

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So who is blaming those who are most needy?

 

[SkyblueBazza]

And you’re the one reducing the Holocaust to something comparable to the EU referendum.

You truly are despicable.

But you only think I am nasty because you trivialise the majority vote. I used the holocaust to suggest that you would deny it's significance next as just a few Jews. THAT I suspect is what offends you and it is that which you seek to turn around to be all me.

I really don't care that you take offence, I do acknowledge the horrific thing that the holocaust was. You say you have a Jewish pal (I think it was you)...Well so what? I have very close family that married into the Jewish community, I have close friends who are Jewish...& you know what? I can confidently say that not one of them would say I treat them any differently to my Sikh, Mulsim, Catholic, Buddist, CoE or whatever you might throw at me.

So throw whatever stones you want. I really don't care. The people that matter (family, friends & colleagues) that know me take no offence about my thoughts at all. You & one or two others want to & do so. Your choice.

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[SkyblueBazza]

Spit it Tony ffs

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[SkyblueBazza]

Say no more

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[Sick Boy]

But you only think I am nasty because you trivialise the majority vote. I used the holocaust to suggest that you would deny it's significance next as just a few Jews. THAT I suspect is what offends you and it is that which you seek to turn around to be all me.

I really don't care that you take offence, I do acknowledge the horrific thing that the holocaust was. You say you have a Jewish pal (I think it was you)...Well so what? I have very close family that married into the Jewish community, I have close friends who are Jewish...& you know what? I can confidently say that not one of them would say I treat them any differently to my Sikh, Mulsim, Catholic, Buddist, CoE or whatever you might throw at me.

So throw whatever stones you want. I really don't care. The people that matter (family, friends & colleagues) that know me take no offence about my thoughts at all. You & one or two others want to & do so. Your choice.

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Its more the fact you’ve never once admitted that it was an error of judgement and retraced it, which is bizarre. The two are in no way comparable to any normal person.

And for the record, I’ve said many times that a compromise would have been an EEA option. That’s not trivialising the result and its respecting the vote to leave, it’s also trying to find a compromise that’s going to reunite a fractured country and reflect how close it was.

 

[skybluetony176]

How many other countries of the world have a NHS

The majority. America is an exception in the big scheme of things not the norm.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

But that is the point.

How many other countries of the world have a NHS? It costs an absolute fortune to run. But it does the job it was designed for. The problem is that now people live longer. So not only do we depend on the NHS for longer but now we have old age ailments we didn't used to have. Full time care costs a lot of money per person.

Then you get those who think that lifestyle health benefits are a right. Should this be allowed? Some will say yes others no. So the NHS has become a money pit.

And yet the costs of our system still compare generally favourably to other developed nations. The Americans pay far more for worse outcomes.

 

[SBAndy]

But you only think I am nasty because you trivialise the majority vote. I used the holocaust to suggest that you would deny it's significance next as just a few Jews. THAT I suspect is what offends you and it is that which you seek to turn around to be all me.

I really don't care that you take offence, I do acknowledge the horrific thing that the holocaust was. You say you have a Jewish pal (I think it was you)...Well so what? I have very close family that married into the Jewish community, I have close friends who are Jewish...& you know what? I can confidently say that not one of them would say I treat them any differently to my Sikh, Mulsim, Catholic, Buddist, CoE or whatever you might throw at me.

So throw whatever stones you want. I really don't care. The people that matter (family, friends & colleagues) that know me take no offence about my thoughts at all. You & one or two others want to & do so. Your choice.

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Jesus wept. Now you’ve explained it it actually looks worse.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Its more the fact you’ve never once admitted that it was an error of judgement and retraced it, which is bizarre. The two are in no way comparable to any normal person.

And for the record, I’ve said many times that a compromise would have been an EEA option. That’s not trivialising the result and its respecting the vote to leave, it’s also trying to find a compromise that’s going to reunite a fractured country and reflect how close it was.

No - you just trivialized the referendum outcome

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[Sick Boy]

No - you just trivialized the referendum outcome

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You’re a truly despicable individual.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Say no more

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Does this not show that Labour were going to be screwed either way? All the other parties can comfortably back one or the other option safe in the knowledge that most of their base will be on side. Labour's vote being split as it was means they were going to haemorrhage the most votes by going down one route or the other.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Jesus wept. Now you’ve explained it it actually looks worse.

Well where does trivialising the outcome become trivialising?

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The outcome is the outcome!!!

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[SkyblueBazza]

You’re a truly despicable individual.

Well I think you are.

You cannot acknowledge what is in front of you. You are like a rabbit in the headlights!

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[dutchman]

The majority. America is an exception in the big scheme of things not the norm.

Most European countries (including mine) have private health insurance:
Healthcare in Europe - Wikipedia

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Does this not show that Labour were going to be screwed either way? All the other parties can comfortably back one or the other option safe in the knowledge that most of their base will be on side. Labour's vote being split as it was means they were going to haemorrhage the most votes by going down one route or the other.

It shows that whichever way you look at it...remain seems to be favoured by the noisy minority

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[Sick Boy]

Well I think you are.

You cannot acknowledge what is in front of you. You are like a rabbit in the headlights!

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Reducing the holocaust to something comparable to the Brexit referendum...righto mate. Crack on.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Reducing the holocaust to something comparable to the Brexit referendum...righto mate. Crack on.

Yep & you keep flogging your dead horse (I hope you don't take offence at that)

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[skybluetony176]

Spit it Tony ffs

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I assume you mean split it? So basically we’re back to £30 a month. Which is where I’m at anyway, except now only two of us can use it at anyone time so I’m not getting value for money despite apparently not being lazy I’ve got a worse deal. What was your point again?