Games in hand (6 Viewers)

[robbiekeane]

It’s all over the place isn’t it. I know it’s because of bury going bust and so that game throws everyone out but got to admit it makes the season a bit weird. Hard to get excited about the league table when it doesn’t really mean anything.

Burton have 3 games in hand on us

 

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[CanadianCCFC]

We have 3 games in hand on burton.

You have that mixed up, but yeah it is annoying

 

[Philosoraptor]

 

[robbiekeane]

You have that mixed up, but yeah it is annoying

Thanks old buddy old pal

 

[CanadianCCFC]

It’s all over the place isn’t it. I know it’s because of bury going bust and so that game throws everyone out but got to admit it makes the season a bit weird. Hard to get excited about the league table when it doesn’t really mean anything.

Burton have 3 games in hand on us

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If only we had someone who could conjure up tables and graphs to show how well we are actually doing this season.

 

[robbiekeane]

If only we had someone who could conjure up tables and graphs to show how well we are actually doing this season.

We’ve always had a multitude of form charts and those kind of indicators...not sure what the point is though - you really saying that replaces a league table?

Can just imagine being down the pub now with my mates who support other teams, and when asked where cov are in the table I’ll say “well actually it’s not really indicative so there’s this guy called Philosorapter....” :banghead:

 

[Magwitch]

If we can be somewhere around where we are today league wise by January 1st i would be very happy that’s 6 league games mostly against challenging teams, hopefully a lot of our injured players will be at full fitness, could be down to what Mark Robins is allowed to do in the January transfer window on how we do in the New Year.

 

[christonabike]

We have the points on the board already. How many times have we had games in hand only to lose them or get a draw? Long way to go we just need to keep going and get the injured players back for the second half of the season.

 

[skybluesam66]

with the season now only 44 games - Play offs will be around the 70 points mark, and autos around the 85 point mark

so this means

Play offs will need from the remaining 27 games 41 points and 56 for autos

so play offs is something like

W 11 D 8 L 8 (Definitely achievable)

Autos is a little trickier at

W 16 D 8 L 3 (especially as we havent yet played Ipswich, wycombe or Sunderland)

 

[CanadianCCFC]

Hard to get excited about the league table when it doesn’t really mean anything.

We’ve always had a multitude of form charts and those kind of indicators...not sure what the point is though - you really saying that replaces a league table?

 

[steve cooper]

especially as we havent yet played Ipswich, wycombe or Sunderland[/B])

I don't wish to jinx the next few games but;
1. we have an excellent recent record against Wycombe & Sunderland
2. we tend to play better against sides near the top.
3. we have either played well against, or beaten everyone else in the top 10 except Rotherham

 

[edgy]

I don't wish to jinx the next few games but;
1. we have an excellent recent record against Wycombe & Sunderland
2. we tend to play better against sides near the top.
3. we have either played well against, or beaten everyone else in the top 10 except Rotherham

That's 17th nailed on then.

 

[steve cooper]

If we can be somewhere around where we are today league wise by January 1st i would be very happy that’s 6 league games mostly against challenging teams, hopefully a lot of our injured players will be at full fitness, could be down to what Mark Robins is allowed to do in the January transfer window on how we do in the New Year.

January transfer activity is key to our season.
We play Sunderland, Ipswich, Shrewsbury, Lincoln, Wycombe, and if you count Jan 1st. Tranmere
I think 10 points from that lot is achievable. This should keep us well in contention.

 

[ccfc92]

We’ve always had a multitude of form charts and those kind of indicators...not sure what the point is though - you really saying that replaces a league table?

Can just imagine being down the pub now with my mates who support other teams, and when asked where cov are in the table I’ll say “well actually it’s not really indicative so there’s this guy called Philosorapter....” :banghead:

Heard a Man U fan say the other day they'd be top if games only lasted 45 mins or something stupid like that...

 

[harvey098]

January transfer activity is key to our season.
We play Sunderland, Ipswich, Shrewsbury, Lincoln, Wycombe, and if you count Jan 1st. Tranmere
I think 10 points from that lot is achievable. This should keep us well in contention.

Where do you think we need to sign players? It’s only really a striker that I could see us going for but Godden will be back by January anyway. I don’t see us signing anyone.

 

[CCFC88]

Where do you think we need to sign players? It’s only really a striker that I could see us going for but Godden will be back by January anyway. I don’t see us signing anyone.

All depends on what formation we go with, we have 4-5 players who can make up the back 3, any injury crisis can be resolved with going back to a 4, plenty of cover at wing back. CM loaded.

I think we will definitely look at a striker no matter how Godden is shaping up. I also think he'll take a look at a couple of wingers, probably on loan if JJ comes back to any type of player by Jan-Feb I wouldn't be surprised by a winger or two to back up/contend him and Hiwula in a 433

 

[shmmeee]

If nothing else we are down Jobello from the start of the season. And Kastaneer has hardly set the world alight. I’d like to see another wide player, but that’s about it

 

[Johhny Blue]

Heard a Man U fan say the other day they'd be top if games only lasted 45 mins or something stupid like that...

We'd probably be top if games only lasted 90 minutes

 

[Johhny Blue]

If nothing else we are down Jobello from the start of the season. And Kastaneer has hardly set the world alight. I’d like to see another wide player, but that’s about it

Kastaneer is a wide player. That's his problem.

 

[Magwitch]

Where do you think we need to sign players? It’s only really a striker that I could see us going for but Godden will be back by January anyway. I don’t see us signing anyone.

You should always sign better players if able to and if they are available. Not seen Jamie Allen yet or if JJ is back to full fitness and firing on all cylinders but I’d look for another striker/goalscorer. It’s shown without doubt with Godden out we are not potent enough up front, an injury again to Godden after January would make things very tough.

 

[ccfc92]

We'd probably be top if games only lasted 90 minutes

We've scored plenty of 90 + winners/equalisers tbf...

 

[ccfc92]

You should always sign better players if able to and if they are available. Not seen Jamie Allen yet or if JJ is back to full fitness and firing on all cylinders but I’d look for another striker/goalscorer. It’s shown without doubt with Godden out we are not potent enough up front, an injury again to Godden after January would make things very tough.

Also, we can pretty much sack off Hiwula and Baka. Unless they hit form within the next 6 weeks...

Like you said, you should always look to improve the squad if possible.

 

[robbiekeane]

Don’t get it, think you’re being deliberately obtuse but ok

 

[stupot07]

This is the table based on points per game.

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[cc84cov]

If nothing else we are down Jobello from the start of the season. And Kastaneer has hardly set the world alight. I’d like to see another wide player, but that’s about it

No striker for you mate ?

 

[robbiekeane]

This is the table based on points per game.

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Love this - did you create that from scratch?

We are essentially 4th then on level playing field

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is the table based on points per game.

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Not being funny but doesn't that essentially just keep the league table as it already is once games in hand are accounted for?

 

[Johhny Blue]

Not being funny but doesn't that essentially just keep the league table as it already is once games in hand are accounted for?

Depends on the results

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Depends on the results

Points per game assumes that teams will carry on with the form that has guided them to where they already are.

 

[steve cooper]

Where do you think we need to sign players? It’s only really a striker that I could see us going for but Godden will be back by January anyway. I don’t see us signing anyone.

You're right, providing all or most of the current injuries clear up as expected, but we have already seen injuries taking much longer than expected to clear up. Godden should be back by Jan but if he isn't we will need to do something I think, in the loan market at the least. And MR has hinted as much.

 

[Philosoraptor]

We’ve always had a multitude of form charts and those kind of indicators...not sure what the point is though - you really saying that replaces a league table?

Can just imagine being down the pub now with my mates who support other teams, and when asked where cov are in the table I’ll say “well actually it’s not really indicative so there’s this guy called Philosorapter....” :banghead:

This should be a good place to start.

FIDE meeting 9-12 April, Warsaw – Stewart Reuben – English Chess Federation

Followed by the three attached papers.

Hope this helps a little.

I've been messing around with this stuff a good decade before these papers and meeting.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Glicko like any other rating system is just a model. There are always going to be weaknesses. However, it should be close enough to the league table even when modelling a draw at .5 rather then .33
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Of course, it is doing lots of other stuff as well which can be read about above.

This is why I keep on saying, it is a measurement of performance based on results rather than a substitute for the league table itself.

 

[itsabuzzard]

Points per game assumes that teams will carry on with the form that has guided them to where they already are.

Surely it's just a snapshot of games played to date? No assumptions made about future performance.

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

Surely it's just a snapshot of games played to date? No assumptions made about future performance.

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But that's what you end up with when you use games currently played as the basis for future performance. The teams will stay in the same positions because they are gaining points at the same rate across the season. The real question is are we going to maintain our average, drop it, or increase it?

 

[itsabuzzard]

But that's what you end up with when you use games currently played as the basis for future performance. The teams will stay in the same positions because they are gaining points at the same rate across the season. The real question is are we going to maintain our average, drop it, or increase it?

I hadn't realised anyone was using it as the basis for future performance. Isn't it an attempt to gauge relative performance, removing the discrepancy in number of games played?

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