General Election 2019 thread (20 Viewers)

[clint van damme]

Of course you wouldn't think it is, even though the evidence suggests it is true

if there was evidence to suggest it's true I might believe it, (you said suggest rather than prove). But you won't provide any anyway.

 

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[shmmeee]

Let’s be honest its a tight call....

Corbyn - either terrorist sympathiser/anti semite or someone with appalling lack of judgement

Johnson - calculated liar/untrustworthy leader or just plays the political game for personal gain.

You pays your money you takes your chance. It’s impossible to defend either so for me it will come down to least worse choice.

Or you take the option I am and realise we don’t live in a dictatorship but a parliamentary democracy and look at each party in the round.

 

[skybluetony176]

He didn't defend him stop lying and trying to make out he did

He said that the royal family is beyond reproach. I’m not lying.

 

[richnrg]

He said that the royal family is beyond reproach. I’m not lying.

he specifically said 'the institution of the monarchy' rather than 'the royal family', though

 

[shmmeee]

Ah yes, it was a commemoration for 8 terrorists trying to bomb a police station.

Slight difference, but it shows who the man is just the same.

No it wasn’t. FactCheck: Jeremy Corbyn and the wreath row

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

if there was evidence to suggest it's true I might believe it, (you said suggest rather than prove). But you won't provide any anyway.

Shows what man he really is

 

[skybluetony176]

Ah yes, it was a commemoration for 8 terrorists trying to bomb a police station.

Slight difference, but it shows who the man is just the same.

Even that’s not strictly true. He was actually attending a meeting of the Wolfe Tone Society in London, a republican organisation where they do indeed pay tribute to dead republicans and apparently these 8 men were mentioned as was an innocent catholic man killed by the SAS. It wasn’t a meeting to specifically pay tribute to any of those men innocent or not, it just happens to be part of the process that the organisation goes through at meetings. Corbyn was specifically there to engage in finding a peaceful solution not to pay tribute to anyone.

 

[Grendel]

if there was evidence to suggest it's true I might believe it, (you said suggest rather than prove). But you won't provide any anyway.

would you define someone as a terrorist sympathiser if - for example - they were arrested when campaigning for a terrorists rights in prison?

 

[clint van damme]

Shows what man he really is

you think a Twitter account called brexittory is proof?! Dear me!
If you want to see antisemitism, look at the anti-Semitic tropes trotted out against the Milliband family during the Labour leadership contest by the Daily Mail which you're so fond of quoting.

 

[Monners]

Oh dear.

Next someone will be saying that the Good Friday Agreement was a "Surrender treaty". Oh yeah, the biggest c**t on the forum already has!

 

[Grendel]

you think a Twitter account called brexittory is proof?! Dear me!
If you want to see antisemitism, look at the anti-Semitic tropes trotted out against the Milliband family during the Labour leadership contest by the Daily Mail which you're so fond of quoting.

would you say being on an editorial board of a radical hard left magazine which was at the time being investigated by MI5 for its links to the Irish Republican Army and frequently writing articles supporting violence by the said group showing sympathy?

 

[clint van damme]

would you define someone as a terrorist sympathiser if - for example - they were arrested when campaigning for a terrorists rights in prison?

maybe they believe that rights should be extended to everyone. In the same way you did with that Samina Begum.

 

[Grendel]

Oh dear.

Next someone will be saying that the Good Friday Agreement was a "Surrender treaty". Oh yeah, the biggest c**t on the forum already has!

I think you have me confused with John McDonnell

 

[Grendel]

maybe they believe that rights should be extended to everyone. In the same way you did with that Samina Begum.

That is an interesting view. Can you explain why the only two instances of Mr Corbyn showing any such concern was in the case of IRA bombers?

 

[clint van damme]

That is an interesting view. Can you explain why the only two instances of Mr Corbyn showing any such concern was in the case of IRA bombers?

I don't even know which case you're on about.

 

[Astute]

Or you take the option I am and realise we don’t live in a dictatorship but a parliamentary democracy and look at each party in the round.

Then it is the Green party. Sian puts her points across very well.

And also the best looking by far :wacky:

Google Image Result for https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Si%C3%A2n_Berry%2C_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg

 

[Monners]

Tory candidate for Leeds North East suspended

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Amjad Bashir, Tory candidate for Leeds North East suspended over antisemitism


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[Monners]

Then it is the Green party. Sian puts her points across very well.

And also the best looking by far :wacky:

I like to cut of your jib.

 

[Skybluefaz]

I agree,but,
if there are people out there that saw a tweet from an account called 'Factcheck UK' and thought to themselves '"oh, I'd better pay particular attention to what this tweet says, as it obviously comes from an important source that I should be paying attention to, despite the fact that I've never heard of FactcheckUK before. You know what, I'll totally desreguard my currently held views and instead go with those trustworthy people at FactCheck UK instead",
then I don't think that either these peoples original views or their new found views would be worth jack shit either way.

One look on a Facebook group tells you that some people literally believe anything they read on the internet. These people have a vote, so it does matter.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I agree,but,
if there are people out there that saw a tweet from an account called 'Factcheck UK' and thought to themselves '"oh, I'd better pay particular attention to what this tweet says, as it obviously comes from an important source that I should be paying attention to, despite the fact that I've never heard of FactcheckUK before. You know what, I'll totally desreguard my currently held views and instead go with those trustworthy people at FactCheck UK instead",
then I don't think that either these peoples original views or their new found views would be worth jack shit either way.

But their vote would count the same as anyone else's.

Plus the fact that by just doing this it shows their low opinion of the British public that they'd expect enough people to be taken in by it.

 

[skybluetony176]

he specifically said 'the institution of the monarchy' rather than 'the royal family', though

No he didn’t.

 

[Grendel]

I don't even know which case you're on about.

I am on about firstly clear and to my knowledge not denied links with the Balcombe Gang and in particular Hugh Doherty a charming individual who was given 11 life sentences for his involvement with at least 16 murders and 50 bombings. Corbyn was a frequent campaigner for Mr Doherty and believed his rights were denied as he was not having appropriate visiting conditions and should be in a prison near his home. I would ask you is this showing sympathy for Mr Doherty?

Patrick Magee - A lovely chap who murdered five people at the Tory party conference including MP Sir Anthony Berry -- Jeremy Corbyn was part of a protest at the Old Bailey Trial campaigning for "Irish Solidarity" with a notorious fringe group and was cautioned over obstructive behaviour. In your opinion was he showing sympathy for Mr Mcgee

He and McDonnell were at a wedding of a Guildford 4 bomber in prison - I do not think this is denied - and even though the conviction was eventually quashed he attended at the time in the full knowledge this person was convicted for murder - is attending a wedding of a convicted murderer showing sympathy

What I would do is substitute all of the words Corbyn and put in Johnson and IRA and put in Britain First and ask yourself if you would apply the same arguments?

The most abhorrent thing of course was inviting his murdering chums to parliament after the Brighton bombing.

Night Jeremy Corbyn stood in honour of dead IRA terrorists

Do you think this response was symapthetic to the cause as minuted in Hansard?

 

[stupot07]

All of the times Boris Johnson has broken his promises

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[fernandopartridge]

If he’d been successful in getting one of their murderers free from prison, who knows, he might have been the cause of More innocent people being killed.
You ok with a potential PM having the links he did with the IRA?

Was he trying to break one of them out?

 

[Grendel]

Was he trying to break one of them out?

John McDonnell of course once stood on a platform in the 80’s at a rally with a terrorist who was on the run from justice

 

[Grendel]

Was he trying to break one of them out?

He campaigned on behalf of Magee and Doherty and to my knowledge has not expressed such passion for any others in a British jail. He also was along with McDonnell and Abbott on the editorial board of a magazine that said what was the death of a Tory Mp at Brighton - answer a start - he continued in his capacity after this was published for the magazine

 

[shmmeee]

Then it is the Green party. Sian puts her points across very well.

And also the best looking by far :wacky:

Google Image Result for https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Si%C3%A2n_Berry%2C_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg

I really like the Greens. And would totally give Sian Berry the benefit of my penis. They do have some mentals though and those mentals are heavily involved in policy making sadly.

They are my go to protest vote though.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

And good that Labour has a leader joined with two others with so many skeletons in the closet?

It is as though some are happy to have Corbyn as leader. But they never explain why an idiot like Boris has a big lead over Corbyn. If it isn't Corbyn holding us back what is it? It isn't Brexit if some on here are to be believed as the majority are supposed to be in favour of remaining. It isn't on policies as Boris has hardly any. And most don't believe those he does have.

But yeah let's just happy clap him to another defeat and call it a victory again if he doesn't lose by a distance.

Look at all I have said about Corbyn. There’s plenty of criticisms to find. I also called for him to stand down. But trying to tie him in with being an IRA squaddie is a bit ridiculous.

The general public have a thing for charlatans in suits using long words. They vote Tory then ask why their benefits are being cut and where the policemen have gone. It also helps that Corbyn has been singled out for attacks in the media more than any other British politician in decades. He has been simultaneously portrayed as a useless old man and the biggest threat to Britain since Herr Hitler. There have been countless hit pieces designed to get the likes of Dim and westcountry riled up to vote against their own interests. And they probably will.

 

[skybluetony176]

Then it is the Green party. Sian puts her points across very well.

And also the best looking by far :wacky:

Google Image Result for https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d6/Si%C3%A2n_Berry%2C_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg

There was a Tory candidate in Aberdeen suspended yesterday that got little attention. Still, he was only suspended over antisemitism, islamaphobia and homophobia so hardly worth a mention.

 

[richnrg]

No he didn’t.

erm, he did. I don't like him either, but that's what he said. Take a look at the video clips - lots around the internet.

 

[clint van damme]

I am on about firstly clear and to my knowledge not denied links with the Balcombe Gang and in particular Hugh Doherty a charming individual who was given 11 life sentences for his involvement with at least 16 murders and 50 bombings. Corbyn was a frequent campaigner for Mr Doherty and believed his rights were denied as he was not having appropriate visiting conditions and should be in a prison near his home. I would ask you is this showing sympathy for Mr Doherty?

Patrick Magee - A lovely chap who murdered five people at the Tory party conference including MP Sir Anthony Berry -- Jeremy Corbyn was part of a protest at the Old Bailey Trial campaigning for "Irish Solidarity" with a notorious fringe group and was cautioned over obstructive behaviour. In your opinion was he showing sympathy for Mr Mcgee

He and McDonnell were at a wedding of a Guildford 4 bomber in prison - I do not think this is denied - and even though the conviction was eventually quashed he attended at the time in the full knowledge this person was convicted for murder - is attending a wedding of a convicted murderer showing sympathy

What I would do is substitute all of the words Corbyn and put in Johnson and IRA and put in Britain First and ask yourself if you would apply the same arguments?

The most abhorrent thing of course was inviting his murdering chums to parliament after the Brighton bombing.

Night Jeremy Corbyn stood in honour of dead IRA terrorists

Do you think this response was symapthetic to the cause as minuted in Hansard?

Ill judged from Corbyn, certainly, I'd imagine he saw it as sympathetic to Irish unity rather than the IRA, but it was decades ago. That's not an attempt to trivialise anything but I consider Islamists the most serious current national security threat which is why I'm more bothered by the current governments links to ISIS backers, the fact they let British tax payers money fall in to the hands of Al Nusra and the lifting of the control order which allowed Salman Abedi to travel around with impunity and eventually carry out the Manchester bombing, (all in the name of allowing him to join 'moderates' and fight Gadaffi).

If people think that is less relevant than what went on 30 years ago then they are entitled to that opinion but that's not how I see it.

 

[skybluetony176]

erm, he did. I don't like him either, but that's what he said. Take a look at the video clips - lots around the internet.

That was the question yes. But as usual per Boris the answer didn’t exactly correspond with the question. He actually end up saying to opposing things during the course of discussion about the royal family and specifically Prince Andrew. He had a complete change of tact once he gauged the response from Corbyn talking about the victims. Opening with they’re beyond reproach to ending with no one is above the law.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not keen on using the Guildford 4 as terrorist examples. There was a large campaign amongst many believing they were innocent. To use this to try and run Corbyn down is poor taste in the extreme. Even using the words 'Guildford 4 bomber' is disingenuous as well... they weren't.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

There was a Tory candidate in Aberdeen suspended yesterday that got little attention. Still, he was only suspended over antisemitism, islamaphobia and homophobia so hardly worth a mention.

Hmm, got a link? They're not doing very well in the Aberdeen area!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Hmm, got a link? They're not doing very well in the Aberdeen area!

Scotland helped May get in last time. Then Johnson shat all over its face.