General Election 2019 thread (76 Viewers)

[Ian1779]

I quoted the you gov poll. Keep believing. 18 point gap now isn’t it?

A poll of 1600 is more accurate than one of 30000? Stats is not your strong point.

As I said... let’s see what happens when the real poll happens.

 

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[skybluetony176]

I didn’t say that did I? I said the 15% gap is not necessarily credible or accurate.

Also 2 million under 35 have registered to vote since announcement of election. This is 900,000 more than same period in 2017.

I read an article claiming that 2 million registered in the 8 weeks up to the announcement of an election, basically since Boris got the job. A certain percentage is people moving etc but the majority were under 35.

 

[Grendel]

A poll of 1600 is more accurate than one of 30000? Stats is not your strong point.

As I said... let’s see what happens when the real poll happens.

Yes it’s much stronger as it’s breaks down demographics and shows win and lose on various points.

 

[skybluetony176]

More people want an answer about why the NHS is fucked, or why there are millions having to use food banks.

NHS now rated the number one concern of voters overtaking Brexit.

 

[Astute]

More people want an answer about why the NHS is fucked, or why there are millions having to use food banks.

Do they?

Most now agree that the Brexit vote is seen as the most important by most although it shouldn't be. Otherwise the Tories would be last.

 

[Ian1779]

Yes it’s much stronger as it’s breaks down demographics and shows win and lose on various points.

Nonsense... sample size is a far bigger indicator.

 

[Ian1779]

Do they?

Most now agree that the Brexit vote is seen as the most important by most although it shouldn't be. Otherwise the Tories would be last.

Do they?

 

[skybluetony176]

Do they?

Most now agree that the Brexit vote is seen as the most important by most although it shouldn't be. Otherwise the Tories would be last.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politis/nhs-concerns-brexit-general-election-boris-johnson-corbyn-poll-a9211196.html%3famp
General election priorities: The biggest issue facing voters - and it ISN’T Brexit
Boost for Jeremy Corbyn as voters most important election issue changes to NHS
NHS overtakes Brexit as top issue in voters' minds
NHS leads as top election issue with Conservatives still expected to be the largest party

Etc etc etc

 

[Grendel]

Nonsense... sample size is a far bigger indicator.

explain how the Martin Lewis poll was researched

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Have you?

So why is it that Labour is so far behind when the Tories have that clown Boris in charge? Remember that the majority is supposed to be in favour of remaining.

I have answered those questions before as well. You just see what you want to see and ignore the rest. Or maybe not, it's hard to tell with you.

 

[Ian1779]

explain how the Martin Lewis poll was researched

It wasn’t a poll - it was a vote on social media. Simple really, ask a large sample size a question. And before you pull out the line of possible bias.. there were 4 votes all indicating a similar theme. Unlikely that bias towards Labour contributed to the result in all of them, especially when you consider the demographic of those likely to follow some of them.

 

[Astute]

I have answered those questions before as well. You just see what you want to see and ignore the rest. Or maybe not, it's hard to tell with you.

Do you believe that the GE will be about Brexit?

And I can't remember you answering anything else. You just say you already have.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Do you believe that the GE will be about Brexit?

And I can't remember you answering anything else. You just say you already have.

Of course you don't.

 

[Astute]

It wasn’t a poll - it was a vote on social media. Simple really, ask a large sample size a question. And before you pull out the line of possible bias.. there were 4 votes all indicating a similar theme. Unlikely that bias towards Labour contributed to the result in all of them, especially when you consider the demographic of those likely to follow some of them.

OL all is well.

 

[Astute]

Of course you don't.

Why don't you state them then?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

NHS now rated the number one concern of voters overtaking Brexit.

If he can really turn the narrative round to the NHS, there's hope yet.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why don't you state them then?

I'm not repeating points I've made multiple times in the past.

 

[shmmeee]

So you don't see the problem with having someone as leader of the Labour party who has such a 'colourful' background which makes people doubt him?

And on top of this he won't tell the voters what they want to hear. It was made more clear last night. Boris was acting like a pompous twat but he got away with it.

It is simple. Does he want to campaign for or against Brexit? Nobody knows if he wants what they want. He has always been for getting out of the EU. But Labour want to remain in the EU. Jist come out with it if he wants to campaign on remaining. Then he can take votes back from the Lib Dems.

But no. It is always about something else.

No? I don’t see any of Corbyns actions in the past as congruent with anything other than a big standard naive lefty. Nothing sinister. I think naivety is cured by exposed to the reality of the job and the advisors around you. Also the fact that you have to take people with you in a parliamentary democracy. Corbyn could only nationalise my cock (to steal a phrase from a Tory MP) if a majority of Parliament voted for it.

A habitual liar and someone with links to rather dodgy people is downright dangerous. Look at Blair.

As for the Brexit position. I really don’t get why it matters. The entire point is his view is worth as much as yours in a referendum. It’s a rather dull attempt at a gotcha. We can all infer he’s probably a reluctant Remainer from his previous comments, but I honestly think right now we don’t need a PM on one “team” or the other. The country is horribly divided. It’s probably of interest to the nation, but I don’t believe it’s in the national interest.

We also know Boris is as much a Remainer historically as a Corbyn is a leaver. He used the EU for journalistic and political gain, but generally his views have always been more on the moderate internationalist side. However he’s held by an extreme PCP of his own making, just as Corbyn is held by a moderate PLP he’s too nice to do anything about. So your basic position seems to be “Id rather someone lied to me than stayed quiet”, which is novel, I’ll give you that.

“Labour” as a membership is probably majority Remain, yes. The majority of Labour MPs would probably campaign for Remain. But IMO the leader should be neutral if the party/country is split. Leadership should be outside the fray. Their policy is the right one for the country, IMO, no matter how unpopular it is. Moreover I really don’t like the slide of Labour away from its roots in the working class towards a certain type of social liberal. And rightly or wrongly their working class vote seems to want Leave.

 

[skybluetony176]

If he can really turn the narrative round to the NHS, there's hope yet.

Hopefully. I’m not going to count any chickens but I will just make the observation that this is how the gap was closed last time, campaigning on real issues. I’ll also make the observation that the gap was a lot smaller in the first place last time. My money is on a hung parliament still. I think best case scenario for the Tories is a repeat of 2017 although I don’t think they’ll be the number of DUP MP’s that there was last time to prop them up if indeed they would be willing to prop them up given that Boris has done the exact thing he said he wouldn’t do while addressing the crowd at the DUP conference.

 

[Grendel]

If he can really turn the narrative round to the NHS, there's hope yet.

The socialist regime would be the antithesis of hope

 

[Grendel]

I'm not repeating points I've made multiple times in the past.

It hasn’t stopped you before

 

[Astute]

I'm not repeating points I've made multiple times in the past.

Why not just find one of them and quote it?

Isn't it strange that I can't remember one if these posts that you say you have made several times that you know would contradict what you have said.

You should give Corbyn lessons on how not to answer questions but expect answers yourself constantly.

 

[Walsgrave]

It is daft for the Conservative Party to claim that Labour's stance on Brexit is not clear. What is unclear about the idea that they will negotiate the best possible deal and then offer the final decision to the people? Sure, its not a binary choice in the sense that it is not a yes/no answer, but binary is not synonymous with 'clear'. I am genuinely baffled at how people do not understand this

 

[Grendel]

It is daft for the Conservative Party to claim that Labour's stance on Brexit is not clear. What is unclear about the idea that they will negotiate the best possible deal and then offer the final decision to the people? Sure, its not a binary choice in the sense that it is not a yes/no answer, but binary is not synonymous with 'clear'. I am genuinely baffled at how people do not understand this

The party hierarchy want to remain so they will negotiate a deal to encourage remain. Starter, Thornberry and McDonnell have said regardless of the deal they will vote remain. Corbyn is the only one who will not admit this but it’s an absurd position to start a negotiation

 

[Astute]

No? I don’t see any of Corbyns actions in the past as congruent with anything other than a big standard naive lefty. Nothing sinister. I think naivety is cured by exposed to the reality of the job and the advisors around you. Also the fact that you have to take people with you in a parliamentary democracy. Corbyn could only nationalise my cock (to steal a phrase from a Tory MP) if a majority of Parliament voted for it.

A habitual liar and someone with links to rather dodgy people is downright dangerous. Look at Blair.

As for the Brexit position. I really don’t get why it matters. The entire point is his view is worth as much as yours in a referendum. It’s a rather dull attempt at a gotcha. We can all infer he’s probably a reluctant Remainer from his previous comments, but I honestly think right now we don’t need a PM on one “team” or the other. The country is horribly divided. It’s probably of interest to the nation, but I don’t believe it’s in the national interest.

We also know Boris is as much a Remainer historically as a Corbyn is a leaver. He used the EU for journalistic and political gain, but generally his views have always been more on the moderate internationalist side. However he’s held by an extreme PCP of his own making, just as Corbyn is held by a moderate PLP he’s too nice to do anything about. So your basic position seems to be “Id rather someone lied to me than stayed quiet”, which is novel, I’ll give you that.

“Labour” as a membership is probably majority Remain, yes. The majority of Labour MPs would probably campaign for Remain. But IMO the leader should be neutral if the party/country is split. Leadership should be outside the fray. Their policy is the right one for the country, IMO, no matter how unpopular it is. Moreover I really don’t like the slide of Labour away from its roots in the working class towards a certain type of social liberal. And rightly or wrongly their working class vote seems to want Leave.

You don't seem to get that it is how the voting public see him. I don't see him as dangerous in any way. But I will admit to what I do see. Yet you want it to seem like I am calling him a terrorist for saying so.

You say someone with links to dodgy people is dangerous? Yet you fail to understand why people are worried about Corbyn.

So where have I said I preferred to be lied to than not answered? Next you will be saying that I have praised Boris. What I said is people want to know answers. They want to know what they are voting for. But you make out that this is nonsense.

Brexit is life changing but you make out that people shouldn't vote for what they want from Brexit.

And I thought that Labour voters were supposed to be Remainers.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It hasn’t stopped you before

Usually in response to a certain someone

 

[Astute]

It is daft for the Conservative Party to claim that Labour's stance on Brexit is not clear. What is unclear about the idea that they will negotiate the best possible deal and then offer the final decision to the people? Sure, its not a binary choice in the sense that it is not a yes/no answer, but binary is not synonymous with 'clear'. I am genuinely baffled at how people do not understand this

Corbyn is a lifelong leaver. Labour are remain. What is wrong with wanting to know what you would be voting for?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Why not just find one of them and quote it?

Isn't it strange that I can't remember one if these posts that you say you have made several times that you know would contradict what you have said.

You should give Corbyn lessons on how not to answer questions but expect answers yourself constantly.

Go and find them if it means that much to you. It's a waste of time going round in circles saying the same things to people who reply in the same way regardless

 

[Astute]

Usually in response to a certain someone

Fine. Don't reply. I will only reply to you once and not constantly.

 

[Astute]

Go and find them if it means that much to you. It's a waste of time going round in circles saying the same things to people who reply in the same way regardless

How can I find something that doesn't exist? I have been asking you the same questions for ages and not got a reply.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How can I find something that doesn't exist? I have been asking you the same questions for ages and not got a reply.

It does. And I keep repeating myself but it falls on deaf ears with you. Usually because you want to start arguments with people trying to agree with you. Complete waste of time.

 

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[Walsgrave]

Corbyn is a lifelong leaver. Labour are remain. What is wrong with wanting to know what you would be voting for?

There's nothing wrong with wanting to know what one would be voting for. Labour's policy is not a binary option and is predicated on the notion that it will renegotiate with the EU and offer a second referendum. If the British people dislike that deal, then we will be out.

What is unclear about the policy? If voters want a binary choice, then by all means I would suggest that they vote for a different party which has a binary stance such as the Lib Dems or Conservatives, but to suggest that it is not a clear policy would be to misinterpret the rules of the English language.

The party hierarchy want to remain so they will negotiate a deal to encourage remain. Starter, Thornberry and McDonnell have said regardless of the deal they will vote remain. Corbyn is the only one who will not admit this but it’s an absurd position to start a negotiation

I'm not convinced this is true, as Corbyn himself has long been a Eurosceptic. Sure, a large proportion of the rank and file will be Remainers but this does not translate to a Remain policy - or else they would have committed to it. Why would they risk losing votes to the Lib Dems/other progressives when they could easily posit themselves as the only realistic hope of a benign Brexit/no Brexit at all?

 

[Ian1779]

There's nothing wrong with wanting to know what one would be voting for. Labour's policy is not a binary option and is predicated on the notion that it will renegotiate with the EU and offer a second referendum. If the British people dislike that deal, then we will be out.

What is unclear about the policy? If voters want a binary choice, then by all means I would suggest that they vote for a different party which has a binary stance such as the Lib Dems or Conservatives, but to suggest that it is not a clear policy would be to misinterpret the rules of English language.


I'm not convinced this is true, as Corbyn himself has long been a Eurosceptic. Sure, a large proportion of the rank and file will be Remainers but this does not translate to a Remain policy - or else they would have committed to it. Why would they risk losing votes to the Lib Dems/other progressives when they could easily posit themselves as the only realistic hope of a benign Brexit/no Brexit at all?

Labour have a complex voter base to consider, and as such have always had to try and find a position that could unite two disprite positions.

 

[skybluetony176]

Ha ha ha
Tories ban the Mirror from Boris Johnson's general election battle bus
Snowflakes.