General Election 2019 thread (63 Viewers)

[Astute]

I know that's the way it is. Doesn't take away from my right to show frustration with it though.

But you keep blaming the wrong party. And when the error is pointed out it isn't so bad.

It was Labour that wanted us to leave the common market. That let Maggie in.

But when Labour finally got back in they kept to their pledge of not raising tax for the first term. But once it was over everything was a target. Labour even introduced the top up fees for university students. But the Tories get the blame so it is OK.

 

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[Brighton Sky Blue]

But you keep blaming the wrong party. And when the error is pointed out it isn't so bad.

It was Labour that wanted us to leave the common market. That let Maggie in.

But when Labour finally got back in they kept to their pledge of not raising tax for the first term. But once it was over everything was a target. Labour even introduced the top up fees for university students. But the Tories get the blame so it is OK.

For a start there I wasn’t talking about the parties. The other point is that I won’t blindly defend Labour on everything they’ve ever done. But I haven’t seen you praise anything of theirs once. The truth will be somewhere in between.

Ultimately Blair was a neoliberal warmonger. He continued deregulating financial services as Maggie had started and oversaw the final dismantlings of the car industry. He also poured substantial funds into education and brought facilities back into the modern era. The global financial crisis itself was the result of right wing economics on crack and it hit everyone. But under the super Tories we recovered at a snail’s pace.

 

[SkyblueBazza]

The Tories are £2B short on their nurse recruitment pledge alone. That’s before you even get into that 19K of those “new” 50K of nurses are existing nurses so actually they’re only pledging 31K new nurses.

They’ve also omitted from their manifesto spending commitments already made whereas other parties have included them. Only the other parties have outlined plans on how they’re going to raise that money as well.

But most of us don't believe any of them either. They are serial fantasists when they put these things together. So most simply vote to type anyway.
This GE is complicated with Brexit policy, but still I suspect that by the time the ballot paper is presented to them...most of those will revert to type too.

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[Philosoraptor]

Heard a wonderful new meaning for a word during this election.

Testiculate - to wave your arms around whilst talking bollocks.

 

[fernandopartridge]

I have an idea. Let's vote in a party that will spend hundreds of billions and send the debt through the roof. We could all celebrate that.

The good thing is we could always blame Brexit .

Jesus christ

 

[fernandopartridge]

Have you been asleep?

The Tories have already got an agreement with the EU.

How about try this one.

No details of how the withdrawal agreement will be negotiated/its terms in the Labour manifesto.

Apart from

Our deal will be based on the principles we have set out over the last two years.

It will include:

• A permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union, which is vital to protect our manufacturing industry and allows the UK to benefit from joint UK-EU trade deals, and is backed by businesses and trade unions.
• Close alignment with the Single Market – ensuring we have a strong future economic relationship with the EU that can support UK businesses.
• Dynamic alignment on workers’ rights, consumer rights and environmental protections so that UK standards keep pace across Europe as a minimum, allowing the UK to lead the way, not fall behind.
• Continued participation in EU agencies and funding programmes, including in such vital areas of co-operation as the environment, scientific research and culture.
• Clear commitments on future security arrangements, including access to the European Arrest Warrant and shared databases, making people safer at home and abroad.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

General election 2019: Labour's £58bn pledge to right WASPI 'injustice'

Spend Spend Spend, where are labour going to get all this money from???? Can't people see this county could go bankrupt with Labours crazy plans!!!

God help us if Corbyn gets in

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

You socialists keep banging on about austerity but cannot make any inroads into Boris’s,The Conservatives and unionists lead in the polls.
If he was that bad you’d be heading for a landslide but it could go the other way.
What does that say about Corbyn and his socialist policies? If Corbyn was the messiah how come people seem to be rejecting him and his party.
Because If he cannot win after 10 years of so called austerity will labour ever govern again?

Its because they are deluded

 

[fernandopartridge]

General election 2019: Labour's £58bn pledge to right WASPI 'injustice'

Spend Spend Spend, where are labour going to get all this money from???? Can't people see this county could go bankrupt with Labours crazy plans!!!

God help us if Corbyn gets in

£58bn which goes directly into the pockets of consumers and then comes back to the treasury through various other taxes.

It isn't £58bn poured down a drain like Boris paying off the EU with £39bn whilst removing access to its single market.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Boris Johnson's blueprint for post-Brexit Britain: Tory manifesto promises a million more homes | Daily Mail Online

 

[Walsgrave]

Have you been asleep?

The Tories have already got an agreement with the EU.

How about try this one.

No details of how the withdrawal agreement will be negotiated/its terms in the Labour manifesto.

I have been asleep and it was very pleasant thank you.

The Conservatives need a bill to pass that agreement through Parliament - fat chance of that happening whatever slim majority they may get. People do not seem to realise that, in the utopian world where we leave the EU on 31 January, we will have just 11 months to negotiate an amicable relationship. All the signs point to the notion that the EU will make things difficult the UK, and will certainly not grant her what she pleases - at least not the cloud-cuckooland suggestions that the Conservatives speak of.

Labour have not sketched out the specifics of the withdrawal agreement in their manifesto - why? Because Brexit is not the binary solution it proposes, and even in the event of a second referendum in which Brexit is the choice, Labour at least have the common sense to be realistic about negotiation times.

Educate thyself on the realism of what the Conservative Party proposes.

 

[Walsgrave]

To be fair I cannot begrudge the passion of some Brexiteers - I have to salute them for pursuing what they want. But boy, sometimes its like telling someone that the ceiling reads 'milk' and they actually look up - gullible as hell!

 

[clint van damme]

Boris Johnson's blueprint for post-Brexit Britain: Tory manifesto promises a million more homes | Daily Mail Online

Fucking hell Dom. They promised 200,000 In their last manifesto have never built 1. Let me reiterate that, not a single 1.
They now have someone in charge with a worse track record of lying than May, so why do you believe it? I find it incredible.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Fucking hell Dom. They promised 200,000 In their last manifesto have never built 1. Let me reiterate that, not a single 1.
They now have someone in charge with a worse track record of lying than May, so why do you believe it? I find it incredible.

I only posted it onto the thread Clint

 

[skybluetony176]

Boris Johnson's blueprint for post-Brexit Britain: Tory manifesto promises a million more homes | Daily Mail Online

Imaginary homes to go with the imaginary hospitals and imaginary nurses.

The Tories have form on building promised new housing Government fails to deliver a single 'starter home' | Metro News

 

[skybluetony176]

Fucking hell Dom. They promised 200,000 In their last manifesto have never built 1. Let me reiterate that, not a single 1.
They now have someone in charge with a worse track record of lying than May, so why do you believe it? I find it incredible.

They can’t deliver anything in their manifesto without significantly increasing borrowing and/or tax. Which they apparently aren’t going to do. It’s pure fantasy.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

They can’t deliver anything in their manifesto without significantly increasing borrowing and/or tax. .

Which is what Labour are also going to do isn't it?? Or is that fantasy

 

[Astute]

For a start there I wasn’t talking about the parties. The other point is that I won’t blindly defend Labour on everything they’ve ever done. But I haven’t seen you praise anything of theirs once. The truth will be somewhere in between.

Praise? Tell me what is worth praise.

You say the Tories took time to get the economy going when they took over. Correct. But if we were talking about Labour you would be pointing out and blaming the world recession that had just happened.

I said about Labour introducing the top up fees for university students. But miraculously you didn't notice. Something to do with you blaming the Tories for student fees?

There is a saying.....You can't have it both ways. Well they haven't met you.

 

[skybluetony176]

General election 2019: Labour's £58bn pledge to right WASPI 'injustice'

Spend Spend Spend, where are labour going to get all this money from???? Can't people see this county could go bankrupt with Labours crazy plans!!!

God help us if Corbyn gets in

The irony there of course is that this is money that should have already been spent and it’s now going to fall on a Labour Party to not only put right a Tory crime it’s also only the Labour Party that will deliver one of Boris’ pledges he made during his Tory leadership campaign. Lie lie lie.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

The irony there of course is that this is money that should have already been spent and it’s now going to fall on a Labour Party to not only put right a Tory crime it’s also only the Labour Party that will deliver one of Boris’ pledges he made during his Tory leadership campaign. Lie lie lie.

Which is what Labour are also going to do isn't it?? Or is that fantasy

????

 

[clint van damme]

I only posted it onto the thread Clint

you did to be fair!

 

[Astute]

Apart from

So did that help answer the question?

How will the agreement be renegotiated. Is this wrong?

Let me remind you. Because you seem to have a poor memory. The EU have said they will not renegotiate. Labour say they will renegotiate. Try answering without twisting what I say. Then you will find it harder to defend McDonnell and Corbyn.

 

[skybluetony176]

Which is what Labour are also going to do isn't it?? Or is that fantasy

Labour are going to increase borrowing and raise taxes to deliver their manifesto. Will they be able to raise enough? Who knows. But it is a fact that the gulf between reality and fantasy in the Tory manifesto is far far wider than it ever could be in the Labour manifesto for the simple reason that Labour plan to raise extra capital to deliver their manifesto whereas the Tories don’t.

Labour’s manifesto and everyone else’s for that matter also includes current commitments whereas the Tories in another slight of hand have omitted it from there’s meaning that the reality is the Tories are going to be spending way more than they are telling you simply because money is already committed. The Tory manifesto is all smoke and mirrors, at every point.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Power companies transfer ownership offshore to protect against Corbyn's renationalisation | Daily Mail Online

So it begins, well done Labour! Not

 

[Astute]

General election 2019: Labour's £58bn pledge to right WASPI 'injustice'

Spend Spend Spend, where are labour going to get all this money from???? Can't people see this county could go bankrupt with Labours crazy plans!!!

God help us if Corbyn gets in

Some of us can see it. Some of us have seen it before. And those who can't see it will then have a go about austerity measures that were needed to get the finances back under control.

Saying that Labour have said about all the trees they will plant. Maybe they are money trees.

 

[Astute]

£58bn which goes directly into the pockets of consumers and then comes back to the treasury through various other taxes.

It isn't £58bn poured down a drain like Boris paying off the EU with £39bn whilst removing access to its single market.

Why not argue for what Labour did to pensions? Final salary pensions were lost because of the tax dodge. All the money lost would have gone back to the consumers. And extra tax would have been raised from extra money in pots and pensions.

But no. It is an extra 58 billion pounds that would be given away by Labour so it is OK.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Why not argue for what Labour did to pensions? Final salary pensions were lost because of the tax dodge. All the money lost would have gone back to the consumers. And extra tax would have been raised from extra money in pots and pensions.

But no. It is an extra 58 billion pounds that would be given away by Labour so it is OK.

You're beyond help

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Tony Blair saying that he doesn't want Labour to get a majority!!! Says it all about Corbyn

Crazy

 

[Astute]

I have been asleep and it was very pleasant thank you.

The Conservatives need a bill to pass that agreement through Parliament - fat chance of that happening whatever slim majority they may get. People do not seem to realise that, in the utopian world where we leave the EU on 31 January, we will have just 11 months to negotiate an amicable relationship. All the signs point to the notion that the EU will make things difficult the UK, and will certainly not grant her what she pleases - at least not the cloud-cuckooland suggestions that the Conservatives speak of.

Labour have not sketched out the specifics of the withdrawal agreement in their manifesto - why? Because Brexit is not the binary solution it proposes, and even in the event of a second referendum in which Brexit is the choice, Labour at least have the common sense to be realistic about negotiation times.

Educate thyself on the realism of what the Conservative Party proposes.

Slim majority? The longer this goes on the bigger the majority. This is why I am pissed off with the way Labour are going into this GE.

So answer the one question. Labour have said they will renegotiate leaving. The EU have said no more renegotiating. So why now and change what has been said?

 

[Otis]

Sneaky barstewards those Tories.

Political newspaper/flyer and when that comes through your door, like it did this morning for me, you immediately think it is a Labour leaflet, what with it in red at the top etc. and it is only the very tiniest writing at the bottom, in the footer, does it says it was published by the Conservative Party.

Not a mention anywhere else.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

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Sneaky barstewards those Tories.

Political newspaper/flyer and when that comes through your door, like it did this morning for me, you immediately think it is a Labour leaflet, what with it in red at the top etc. and it is only the very tiniest writing at the bottom, in the footer, does it says it was published by the Conservative Party.

Not a mention anywhere else.

Its clever I'd say

 

[Otis]

Its clever I'd say

Really?

Do they not have enough faith in their own policies and plans rather than have to try and trick everyone?

They are in government and are expecting a majority. Surely they should be full of confidence rather than having to resort to this sort of thing.

 

[Astute]

To be fair I cannot begrudge the passion of some Brexiteers - I have to salute them for pursuing what they want. But boy, sometimes its like telling someone that the ceiling reads 'milk' and they actually look up - gullible as hell!

I am a remainer. But I am not falling for the bullshit. Can't you see that Labour are pledging the financial stability of the UK? Can't you see that they are pledging what can't be done in the timescale they say?

It doesn't make their manifesto look an honest one.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Really?

Do they not have enough faith in their own policies and plans rather than have to try and trick everyone?

They are in government and are expecting a majority. Surely they should be full of confidence rather than having to resort to this sort of thing.

Hardly tricking everyone is it?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Tony Blair saying that he doesn't want Labour to get a majority!!! Says it all about Corbyn

Crazy

Tell Astute, Labour under Blair and Corbyn are exactly the same thing