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[Otis]

Pretty much what you’d expect. No deal unless something is done on the complaint.

So..... and no, I am not as aggressive as Nick, am I right in saying, you directly asked them about the indemnity, they gave that reply and then you pursued it no further?

Or did you not ask the question and that was just expressed to you and then you didn't come back to them on it?

I am just wondering if you asked the question at all, or that was just what was stated by Wasps without challenge.

 

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[Esoterica]

What I wrote above. We can’t force them to answer questions they don’t want to answer.

What was the point of the meeting then? Ask the questions and when they flat bat it with the standard response, ask the the obvious follow up questions. Then publish those questions and responses, reminding the public of Coventry that these parasites are continuing to prevent us playing in Coventry over an absurd requirement. Perfect opportunity to twist the knife at a time when Wasps are at their lowest point since arriving here.

Whenever the trust have anything to do with Wasps publicly, you can always guarantee it is going to be an absolute token gesture. It's no surprise eyebrows are raised when you go to the effort of having a meeting with them and then just shrug and give up at the first hurdle they present.

 

[Nick]

What was the point of the meeting then? Ask the questions and when they flat bat it with the standard response, ask the the obvious follow up questions. Then publish those questions and responses, reminding the public of Coventry that these parasites are continuing to prevent us playing in Coventry over an absurd requirement. Perfect opportunity to twist the knife at a time when Wasps are at their lowest point since arriving here.

Whenever the trust have anything to do with Wasps publicly, you can always guarantee it is going to be an absolute token gesture.

Exactly, nobody would have known anything about it if I hadn't just had to dig and dig for basic information would they?

We would have just got the usual "drop the legals" shit that Wasps, the council and the Trust reel out time and time again.

Strange how the Trust want to bury that information though and spin it to be "drop the legals" even though they know very well it can't be done.

It's pretty much misleading people.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

@CJ_covblaze if as you say you’re anti wasps as some of us, could you confirm what Neil White and the rest of the board’s thoughts are on the matter?

why do they not want to whip up anything against Wasps? What’s their game?

I’m assuming you do discuss this at the board meetings with what to do next

 

[CJ_covblaze]

So..... and no, I am not as aggressive as Nick, am I right in saying, you directly asked them about the indemnity, they gave that reply and then you pursued it no further?

Or did you not ask the question and that was just expressed to you and then you didn't come back to them on it?

I am just wondering if you asked the question at all, or that was just what was stated by Wasps without challenge.

When we asked that question they gave that answer. We pursued it further but it was clear they weren’t going to give us another answer.

 

[chiefdave]

Got to say as a Trust member I had absolutely no idea there was a meeting with Wasps, how was this communicated to members?

Wasps responses don't make any sense. They won't let the club back until the EC action is complete but they want the club to approach the EC to try and get it delayed?

Were they asked that if the EC action is sat on the to-do list for the next 15 - 20 years they will continue to refuse to allow us to play at the Ricoh for that long?

The indemnification issue is very simple, if Wasps believe they and the council are 100% in the right it simply isn't needed. They also need to be questioned on why they set terms, the club met the terms and then the terms changed. How can anyone be confident if the club agree to the new terms they don't change them again?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

SISU can ask for it to be dropped or at least for it to put even lower down on the list than it is already so it’ll be sorted in 15 years rather than 5-8.

Edit: To play devil’s advocate with regards with who the complaint is against if it’s not against Wasps (which it isn’t) why would SISU (not CCFC) have any problem in indemnifying Wasps of any legal costs incurred?

Hang on - Regarding the devils advocate point, why would SISU indemnify? At that point it would have been found that the sale was illegal?

remember that’s what SISUs argument is - why would they consider indemnifying if they were right

 

[chiefdave]

When we asked that question they gave that answer. We pursued it further but it was clear they weren’t going to give us another answer.

If that is the case then their refusal to answer should be the line you are pushing, not the initial unsatisfactory response they did give.

 

[Nick]

When we asked that question they gave that answer. We pursued it further but it was clear they weren’t going to give us another answer.

So at this point you say:

"We know that is factually incorrect, why can't you answer properly?"
At this point, if they bullshit you then you run to the telegraph and hammer social media about how Wasps were bullshitting you.

You don't repeat the bullshit as if it is fact to mislead people on the same day Wasps get negative media coverage. After all, if I hadn't have quizzed you then the outcome of the meeting would have been "SISU need to drop the legals" according to you? Which anybody knows who has been following it, isn't possible.

You were pushing their bullshit for them.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

@CJ_covblaze if as you say you’re anti wasps as some of us, could you confirm what Neil White and the rest of the board’s thoughts are on the matter?

why do they not want to whip up anything against Wasps? What’s their game?

I’m assuming you do discuss this at the board meetings with what to do next

Neil isn’t in to Rugby. A good proportion of the rest our board do not hold that view and love it as a sport. All that do, go to watch Cov, have never been to watch Wasps and wouldn’t ever consider doing so.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Neil isn’t in to Rugby. A good proportion of the rest our board do not hold that view and love it as a sport. All that do, go to watch Cov, have never been to watch Wasps and wouldn’t ever consider doing so.

I mean wasps actions against the club? Why are they keen to surpress anything bad said against Wasps?

 

[Grendel]

I asked 5 times on here and 5 on twitter regarding supporting the Henley alliance campaign

no answer still

 

[Nick]

I mean wasps actions against the club? Why are they keen to surpress anything bad said against Wasps?

After all, the only people who now seem to know Wasps were bullshitting were people looking at this thread after I had to drag it out of CJ.

Why no statements? Why no Telegraph articles? Why no mention of it unless I had asked over and over and over again?

It's the same as when Wasps were going to take over the Higgs, I watched it unfold. "It was all SISU" after meeting with Wasps.

Yet we are expected to believe it's nothing to do with Wasps being part of the Hoffman consortium?

 

[IrishSkyBlue]

why do i get the feeling that the trust think by trying to drum up hate for sisu they will leave and poof everything changes, nothing will change ccc will still be buddies with wasps and ccfc even with a new onwer be stuck flaffinf about and i cant see ccc helping even new owners out even if we got them.

 

[Otis]

I asked 5 times on here and 5 on twitter regarding supporting the Henley alliance campaign

no answer still

Trust should be right behind this. We have been evicted and these Henley groups are about to suffer the same fate.

 

[fernandopartridge]

why do i get the feeling that the trust think by trying to drum up hate for sisu they will leave and poof everything changes, nothing will change ccc will still be buddies with wasps and ccfc even with a new onwer be stuck flaffinf about and i cant see ccc helping even new owners out even if we got them.

Yep, the whole premise of Wasps being here is a supine CCFC happy to play second fiddle in their stadium etc

 

[Nick]

Yep, the whole premise of Wasps being here is a supine CCFC happy to play second fiddle in their stadium etc

Yeah but Wasps would let a Phoenix Club play there remember?

 

[Nick]

Trust should be right behind this. We have been evicted and these Henley groups are about to suffer the same fate.

Quite the opposite, all of the strange accounts that you would associate with the Trust seem to be very angry with any opposition to Wasps kicking people out there.

 

[Liquid Gold]

The Trust sink to new depths all the time but it never surprises me.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The only downside is the farmhouse has lost its alcohol licence!

Is it lost, or a deliberate choice? They're selling it as the latter but then you would, wouldn't you!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Nobody believes it, but if there are viable sites - as fans we need to push SISU on this. Call them out.

the Ricoh isn’t viable unless we own at least 50% of it

If (if!) SISU ever leave, we need to know possible sites for a competent owner to consider, anyway.

 

[The coventrian]

Is it lost, or a deliberate choice? They're selling it as the latter but then you would, wouldn't you!

Delivering alcohol with takeaways apparently and got found out.

 

[Skybluefaz]

When we asked that question they gave that answer. We pursued it further but it was clear they weren’t going to give us another answer.

Put out a poll on twitter to see how many trust members would be in favour of backing the alliance in their actions against Wasps. Then follow it up.

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Put out a poll on twitter to see how many trust members would be in favour of backing the alliance in their actions against Wasps. Then follow it up.

And can you confirm on here CJ when the poll is up? I don't check Twitter that often but would like to vote.

 

[Grendel]

And can you confirm on here CJ when the poll is up? I don't check Twitter that often but would like to vote.

They will say the poll will not be exclusive to members and therefore cannot be valid

 

[jordan210]

They will say the poll will not be exclusive to members and therefore cannot be valid

They could always email all the members with a survey monkey poll or is that a bit to advanced for the trust

 

[Colin Steins Smile]

Got to say as a Trust member I had absolutely no idea there was a meeting with Wasps, how was this communicated to members?

Wasps responses don't make any sense. They won't let the club back until the EC action is complete but they want the club to approach the EC to try and get it delayed?

Were they asked that if the EC action is sat on the to-do list for the next 15 - 20 years they will continue to refuse to allow us to play at the Ricoh for that long?

The indemnification issue is very simple, if Wasps believe they and the council are 100% in the right it simply isn't needed. They also need to be questioned on why they set terms, the club met the terms and then the terms changed. How can anyone be confident if the club agree to the new terms they don't change them again?

I agree - given that today a new set of commissioners were being appointed. I can't see that any ruling on this matter will be quickly resolved.....this could take years. Surely, the economic reality of trying to make the business model for the Ricoh work must be paramount, as at this rate both Wasps and CCFC financial viability to compete at a high level is unrealisable.

The worry for CCFC is that Wasps will try to charge a ridiculous fee to cross subsidise the Rugby playing side. CCFC needs to have clear terms over the next 20+ years, so to allow a longer term business model to be developed

 

[chiefdave]

The worry for CCFC is that Wasps will try to charge a ridiculous fee to cross subsidise the Rugby playing side. CCFC needs to have clear terms over the next 20+ years, so to allow a longer term business model to be developed

In some ways the longer it goes on the stronger our hand gets. If Wasps had got in their £10m stadium sponsor while we weren't there they could say nothing to do with you. If they can't get one unless we come back it allows a strong argument that we should get a decent share of it.

 

[covcity4life]

had sisu said we are gonna build a new stadium to the trust would have been million follows ups like wher eis it gonna be? Capacity? Turf Type? when start building? when finish building? what have the efl said? etc

telegraph would have posted a news story about it piling on pressure or calling it lies

but with wasps nothing from either party

its not right.

 

[covcity4life]

if its not against wasps why would sisu care about indemnifying costs?

but

if its not against wasps why do you need indemnifying?

 

[oldfiver]

if its not against wasps why would sisu care about indemnifying costs?

but

if its not against wasps why do you need indemnifying?

Because the indemnity extends beyond WASPS but to all their active partners and connected parties
So if CCC are in default and can claim against WASPS then the indemnity applies

Also if the actions cause WASPS into insolvency or similar then their financial parties are indemnified.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

In some ways the longer it goes on the stronger our hand gets. If Wasps had got in their £10m stadium sponsor while we weren't there they could say nothing to do with you. If they can't get one unless we come back it allows a strong argument that we should get a decent share of it.

It does. It's just like last time, there's the risk we don't have a club to come back!

As a financial exercise it's not daft. As a way to engage fans, it's not wonderful...

 

[Magwitch]

I haven’t bothered reading all these threads it’s just like going round and round the Mulberry Bush, Turn around everyday looking back another day, the race is on got to win but before we do we must begin.

 

[Nick]

Strange, Neil has no mention of Wasps completely bullshitting him?

Strangest bit is him going on about a propaganda machine.

It's almost as if the irony is lost.

For somebody who used to edit a newspaper and runs a PR company, he really isn't the brightest spark.

 

[ccfcway]

had sisu said we are gonna build a new stadium to the trust would have been million follows ups like wher eis it gonna be? Capacity? Turf Type? when start building? when finish building? what have the efl said? etc

Like them saying that yesterday and very little response ?

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