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Grendel

Grendel

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clint van damme said:
it wasn't checked by Full fact, they don't check social media, though First draft do cross reference Full fact.
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Yes it was they have used the ads and checked it’s legitimacy through the full fact website
 
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SkyblueBazza

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chiefdave said:
You're not comparing like with like. Conservatives have been shown to be lying by a non-partisan independent body, the Labour costing plans you say have been shown to be incredible is not fact, there are some who believe them to be incredible but there are literally hundreds of economists who are backing them so its at best debatable. Hardly the same thing as outright lying.
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Manifestos

Are they partisan? Now I have gone on record many times about 'experts' opinions and stat's so choose not to put any personal belief in this work. Many of you slate me for that, hence I am providing an 'expert' opinion based upon their examination of Labour's manifesto. And quite simply - we will only know it as fact after they fail to deliver it, just like all the Brexit scenarios painted & posted on 'the other thread'

Balance...none of the manifestos appear credible to me & are just as unlikely to become reality in their entirety...or maybe even in any small part.

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SkyblueBazza

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richnrg said:
erm, when was the last time a party (of any persuasion) carried out everything in their manifesto anyway?
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Never happened really has it? Which constitutes a lie every time really in the true sense of the word. Politics is basically about having the most credible lie/excuses come election time

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Grendel

Grendel

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clint van damme said:
I think that's what I said!
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Not really as they’ve used a biased organisation as a validation and that organisation offers an opinion not fact

The 88% sounds like 9 out of 10 messages are actually false as well doesn’t it?
 
clint van damme

clint van damme

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Grendel said:
Not really as they’ve used a biased organisation as a validation and that organisation offers an opinion not fact

The 88% sounds like 9 out of 10 messages are actually false as well doesn’t it?
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why do you think full fact is biased?
They tore apart the red bus claim, I can't see how that makes it pro EU, the 350 million a week claim was bollocks.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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SkyblueBazza said:
You guys are incredible.

I was agreeing the point, but provided some balance - so you have to have a bit of a go. You cannot stop yourselves.

It is the very same kind of frothing & ranting that people associate with Scargill, Hatton & co which most reasonable people think of as just spoiling for a fight...&/or brings back memories of some pretty bad times. Like BSB (who is one of 'you guys' thst I refer to) has a pop, accuses me of throwing insults about only to then not only bring Astute into the matter, but insults him as well, as ameans to use him to me. That after he has repeatedly offered the oh-so politically correct description of 'fatso'. All very bizarre isn't it?

For the record...during this campaign, Corbyn for one in the Labour ranks HAS been said to be lying -
Former senior Labour official accuses party of 'campaign of lies and misinformation' about antisemitism

And he didn't feel any need to apologise for it either in his Andrew Neil interview.

Labour has played right close to the line on NHS privatisation too in many people's eyes.

Even Angela Rayner has defended his watching the Queen on Xmas morning as an 'unintentional lie'

So THAT is some of the balance for you. I am already aware of the fact checking...& do not wish or seek to deflect or excuse Bojo or the Tories for their lies either.

All pretty equally as bad as each other overall.

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Astute also has form for ignoring any time someone has agreed with him, for the purposes of starting an argument. You are very similar. Boris Johnson is an obnoxious and dishonest man who also happens to be obese. Calling him fatso is if anything reserved.

Mind you it isn’t me who goes calling other posters a twat in every post or who goes telling them to crawl up rectums (G).
 
Grendel

Grendel

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clint van damme said:
why do you think full fact is biased?
They tore apart the red bus claim, I can't see how that makes it pro EU, the 350 million a week claim was bollocks.
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Exactly but they didn’t tear apart the counter claim did they about people being £4,300 worse off if we left the Eu which was a huge lie - the £350 million was legitimate compared to that claim

It’s an EU funded charity. Oddly the research admits the labour claim of £500 million a week going to the states due to the trade deal with the US is also not true but does not count as it falls out the timescale and media targeting of their research
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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clint van damme said:
why do you think full fact is biased?
They tore apart the red bus claim, I can't see how that makes it pro EU, the 350 million a week claim was bollocks.
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Michael Samuel is a Conservative Party donor and historically full facts was known as faux facts for not questioning Tory policy when it was called into question. The fact that they’re now being called biased in the other direction can only possibly a measurement of how much bullshit the current Tory administration spouts. Is such bullshit faux facts has become full facts. Unless the bullshit is what you want to hear in which case it’s back to faux facts.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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skybluetony176 said:
Michael Samuel is a Conservative Party donor and historically full facts was known as faux facts for not questioning Tory policy when it was called into question. The fact that they’re now being called biased in the other direction can only possibly a measurement of how much bullshit the current Tory administration spouts. Is such bullshit faux facts has become full facts. Unless the bullshit is what you want to hear in which case it’s back to faux facts.
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Wilki is wonderful Tony but work a little harder to find what Michael Samuel actually crucially really believes in
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Grendel said:
Exactly but they didn’t tear apart the counter claim did they about people being £4,300 worse off if we left the Eu which was a huge lie - the £350 million was legitimate compared to that claim

It’s an EU funded charity. Oddly the research admits the labour claim of £500 million a week going to the states due to the trade deal with the US is also not true but does not count as it falls out the timescale and media targeting of their research
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They called it a red herring The £4,300 question: would leaving the EU really make every household worse off?
 
skybluetony176

skybluetony176

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Grendel said:
Exactly thanks for proving my point
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You said that they didn’t tear it apart. The links there.

Oh wait? You think that although it clearly wasn’t as big a lie as £360M to the NHS lie it should have been torn apart in equal measures meaning that bias was given to the £360M lie because it doesn’t matter that it was a bigger lie, enough dumb people would believe it to vote leave and when it comes to vote leave any lie will do as far as you’re concerned. You truly are a moron.
 
Grendel

Grendel

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shmmeee said:
I see info sec researchers have met Grendel


If he is, no longer than it takes to have a referendum
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Incoherent drivel. What are you trying to say?
 
Alan Dugdales Moustache

Alan Dugdales Moustache

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I think we can say that the meltdown has already started. Far too much Co2 being pumped out on here and it's environmentally bad.
 
SkyBlueDom26

SkyBlueDom26

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Ian confident Corbyn will be PM, hahahahaha as deluded as it gets, not a chance

wouldn’t explain anything less tbh from him
 
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SkyblueBazza

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Astute also has form for ignoring any time someone has agreed with him, for the purposes of starting an argument. You are very similar. Boris Johnson is an obnoxious and dishonest man who also happens to be obese. Calling him fatso is if anything reserved.

Mind you it isn’t me who goes calling other posters a twat in every post or who goes telling them to crawl up rectums (G).
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But I don't do that either...you're exaggerating my insulting (which imo was as justified as your insulting Boris, but not so reserved)...such drama...as was wrongly levelled a little earlier at me. However, almost every other post you refer to someone else being 'dim' - can you not handle the insults? If not don't give them out!

Why you have to keep on about Astute I don't know...you're all turning into mad-Mart wannabes.

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stupot07

stupot07

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Andrew Neil - chicken'd out
Julie Etchingham - chicken'd out
GMTV - chicken'd out
Jeremy Vine - chicken'd out
Channel 4 climate debate - chicken'd out

And people think he will stand up to trump, Putin, Macron's and the EU




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