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CCFCSteve

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fernandopartridge said:
Why will it be a nightmare? Explain briefly without using any silly soundbites and with some examples of what will go wrong
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steered clear of posting for a few days because, let’s be honest, pretty much all on here made their minds up weeks ago (as did I after the manifestos were released). All the mud slinging since has hopefully been irrelevant.

I had to respond to the above though Fernando as there are genuine concerns about a hung parliament

Labour with SNP (probably also need Lib Dem) support:

- Paralysis of Parliament for at least another 9-12 months, possibly longer, whilst a second referendum takes place. Likely to see re-emergence of brexit party

- second Scottish referendum within a couple of years, causing more damage and division

- if SNP win independence vote, they will have no remit in HoP so another election likely (Election likely anyway)

Tory minority (so close to majority ie 315+ seats):

- second referendum (see above)

- another election within months

so, in my view, basically a year or two of the same shit we’ve had but worse.
 
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fellatio_Martinez said:
From the first few pages of the thread and from someone who claimed he always knew it would be a Tory landslide.
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When this campaign began, there were a fair few of us who probably thought Corbyn would run an energetic, vibrant campaign, as he did last time. This time around however he's seemed flat - maybe he's been told to appear more statesmanlike? I think it's safe to say that a number of us (including a fair few of the half-sane Tory voters) would have expected Johnson's past to catch up with him, his lies to be noticed, and his tedious mantra to go the same way as May's.

I still think it may be a hung parliament, mind.
 
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CCFCSteve said:
so, in my view, basically a year or two of the same shit we’ve had but worse.
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Personally I don't agree. The Labour policy has a clear resolution date too. Arguably, as it heads for a softer Brexit, the ultimate resolution is easier too, so there's less chaos around that.

As for the Scottish independence question, a Labour government's far more likely to hold the union together, in my view, because it will be more in sync with Scottish views, and also even if Brexit happens, it'll be a more palatable version, so less likely to sway people towards a pro-Independence vote. With all that in mind, having implemented those policies, a commitment to a second referendum after a couple of years genuinely puts to bed the question for a generation, or more. As it stands, it's going to be a constant push-pull and be potentially destructive.

Personally I see a Tory majority as the most destabilising force there can be. There are warnings from history to suggest that too.
 
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CCFCSteve

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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Was among the first at the polling station today. Didn’t spoil the ballot.
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right decision BSB. Whether I agree with you political views or not, you spend time to try to understand the current political landscape (what’s best for you and the country) so if people like you spoil their ballot paper, we are fucked....however much it might be voting best of a bad bunch (ps please don’t tell me Corbo ;))
 
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CCFCSteve

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Deleted member 5849 said:
Personally I don't agree. The Labour policy has a clear resolution date too. Arguably, as it heads for a softer Brexit, the ultimate resolution is easier too, so there's less chaos around that.

As for the Scottish independence question, a Labour government's far more likely to hold the union together, in my view, because it will be more in sync with Scottish views, and also even if Brexit happens, it'll be a more palatable version, so less likely to sway people towards a pro-Independence vote. With all that in mind, having implemented those policies, a commitment to a second referendum after a couple of years genuinely puts to bed the question for a generation, or more. As it stands, it's going to be a constant push-pull and be potentially destructive.

Personally I see a Tory majority as the most destabilising force there can be. There are warnings from history to suggest that too.
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In a hung party/coalition all bets (promises) are off...just as the Lib Dems
 
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SkyBlueDom26 said:


What a lovely guy Corbyn is, see it isn’t only Boris that ‘hides’
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That's obviously in a summer which may not even been this year. It reveals absolutely nothing. We have no context, it was an ambush interview, we have no idea where he was, what he was doing, what the phone call was about, etc

Let's be clear Boris has hidden from planned interviews, which everyone else has done, in an election campaign because he's scared of fucking up.

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CCFCSteve said:
right decision BSB. Whether I agree with you political views or not, you spend time to try to understand the current political landscape (what’s best for you and the country) so if people like you spoil their ballot paper, we are fucked....however much it might be voting best of a bad bunch (ps please don’t tell me Corbo ;))
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Sorry to disappoint you...;)
 
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CCFCSteve said:
really NW, not being difficult but what in the Tory manifesto suggests that (Brexit aside as this could happen under labour) ?
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The commitment to my field of work gets hammered year after year. Have gone down from full-time to 60%, due to go down to 50% next financial year. Bit fed up of three jobs, now! No commitments to supporting said field in Tory manifesto. Labour, however, have made pledges (I will confess, I can't remember if it's in their manifesto admittedly. I can be pretty certain a Corbyn government would be better for my hopes of restoration to 100%!)

Hard Brexit will also have a savage effect.

I don't mind people having differences of opinion (you do, after all) and I can respect (if disagree!) with your right to vote as you like. I would be a mentalist to vote Tory, however. There are some (small business owners, for example) who traditionally, although I don't agree with it, I can understand why they would vote Tory. Such is life.

And those who point and laugh and make light can fuck off into a big vat of fire and oily piss as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
Can’t handle the bants eh Dim

If your man gets his majority we can wave goodbye to NI, Scotland or both within a decade. No bants there sadly just right wingers jeapordising the country they claim to care about
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That’s just simply not true is it, the union has more chance of splitting with sturgeon teaming up with Corbyn and him giving in to her demands
 
Mild-Mannered Janitor

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Difficult to call the result today, really depends on the number of voters turning up or not to vote.
Think it could be a small majority for the Tories but Labour + friends could be close to forming a government.

Never in my life have I been underwhelmed more by the leaders lies and inability to define good policy and come across as trustworthy.
 
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Resigned to listening to Boris and the inane chatter and bluster. Country will be more broken and divided than ever but not just tory and abour but leave and remain and old and young
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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SkyBlueDom26 said:
That’s just simply not true is it, the union has more chance of splitting with sturgeon teaming up with Corbyn and him giving in to her demands
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Corbyn gets in and:

1. Brexit may yet be cancelled, which would reduce nationalist support.

2. If Brexit does happen it would be a least-bad scenario which would reduce support as well, though not as much as 1).

3. He will meaningfully invest in Scotland and generally push for policies that are popular up there. The whole grievance is that Westminster doesn’t give a toss about it-if that changes support for the union would increase.

Contrast that with your man selling NI short and forcing through a shit Brexit with right wing domestic policy.
 
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CCFCSteve

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The commitment to my field of work gets hammered year after year. Have gone down from full-time to 60%, due to go down to 50% next financial year. Bit fed up of three jobs, now! No commitments to supporting said field in Tory manifesto. Labour, however, have made pledges (I will confess, I can't remember if it's in their manifesto admittedly. I can be pretty certain a Corbyn government would be better for my hopes of restoration to 100%!)

Hard Brexit will also have a savage effect.

I don't mind people having differences of opinion (you do, after all) and I can respect (if disagree!) with your right to vote as you like. I would be a mentalist to vote Tory, however. There are some (small business owners, for example) who traditionally, although I don't agree with it, I can understand why they would vote Tory. Such is life.

And those who point and laugh and make light can fuck off into a big vat of fire and oily piss as far as I'm concerned.
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cant say fairer than that (last para aside)
 
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