clint van damme
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Wasn't a devalued pound great for manufacturing? (copyright Brexiteers on the EU thread).
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Wasn't a devalued pound great for manufacturing? (copyright Brexiteers on the EU thread).
fellatio_Martinez
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mark82
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I think if Boris gets his Brexit deal through (which he will) then a return to troubles in NI is highly likely. That deal shafts them nearly as much as no deal would have.
clint van damme
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Nah, it'll just mean cheap cadillacs and budweiser baby!
and chlorinated chicken and rat hair - a winning combo
His reshuffle will be interesting NW. As many have tried to say, at heart he is relatively liberal (Osborne, who I have little time for, was saying last night that johnson is not a big advocate of small state either) yet others have tried to paint the picture that he’s a hard right, austerity loving politician...this is not the case.
Some post election comments just re-enforce why so many people (across all ‘classes’) voted for the Tories. Lily Allen suggesting that Tory voters were voting for ‘kids to die’ and because they want ‘less brown people’ - look at the latest immigration numbers lily, a lot more ‘brown people’ are coming to the country and Johnson was happy to relax foreign student visas rules. Look at the Tory manifesto and tell me why voting for that is wanting to ‘kids to die’ ? I’d imagine millionaire celebrities telling the public to ‘vote labour’ and ‘fuck Boris’ probably only strengthened people’s resolve in those labour heartlands.
James O’Brien will probably bang on about people ‘liking being lied to’ today....no James but they probably weigh up the ‘lies’. The labour lie of ‘respecting the referendum’ in 2015 and then again in 2017 has lost them their heartlands. In conjunction with the lie that only the super rich would have to pay for the current labour manifesto. Tens of billions of which was uncosted for waspi pension issue, tens, probably hundreds, of billions more for nationalisation and free broadband, let alone the cost of borrowing which would’ve gone through the roof (As I’ve said before the costed stuff was all things I could vote for but it went too far to the ideological left which a majority in this country don’t want)
How about the lie that Corbyn had done everything in his powers to stamp out anti-semitism and bullying in the Labour Party....yet nearly all leaders of the jeweish community, not to mention numerous labour MPs and Peers suggested otherwise?
Many left wing commentators will continue with the same sneering ‘thick working class’ stuff which led to the loss of the referendum and now this election but if labour want to move forward and give us a party and an opposition the public deserve, they could do a lot worse than listen to people like Caroline Flint (see attached)
I also hope they move away from this aggressive/abusive anti Tory, class war stuff as well.
Johnson may well not deliver on various promises but I for one hope he does (even though I’m yet to be totally convinced). If he doesn’t those labour heartlands, with a proper party and leadership to support, will soon return
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clint van damme
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I don't believe Johnson believes in anything other than himself and will adjust his politics to whatever benefits him the most personally.
There is a wealth of evidence to support that, he was unashamedly pro EU, and while I appreciate people can change their minds his about turn doesn't seem to have been a political epiphany more the grasping of a personal opportunity.
Ps one massive area of concern is the increased SNP support but let’s just see how things are post the Alex Salmond case in the New year. Also, the fact is that there was no way they would’ve agreed to support Corbyn without another independence referendum during this parliament so again people already blaming the Johnson for the break up of the Union is a little unfair !
Sick Boy
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I think he is probably referring to it being lucrative for the USA, not surprised to see that the bot has still liked it though.
mark82
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Good night for:
- Tories
- The wealthy
- Scottish Independence
- Irish Nationalists
Bad night for:
- Labour
- Lib Dems
- The working class
- Brexit supporters
- Anyone who wants to see the United Kingdom to stay together.
SkyblueBazza
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But you can see how an error in dropping a capital letter where one clearly belongs can confuse a bit? Or maybe you did it purposely to demonstrate petulant bitterness against the Tories? Perhaps you didn't know it should be a capital 'T'?
I really don't know - but it caused me to miss it, & I apologised. Not sure why you feel the need have a go at me for that, but go ahead...get it off you chest if you need to.
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I don’t disagree that he’s not a huge euro sceptic but that scepticism has always been there (so has support of a close relationship/single market though !)
Nick
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A new low to the politics shite on here.
SkyblueBazza
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That is one slant. Not everyone would agree mind you
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clint van damme
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Mcbean
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I agree with all except the working class which includes me - growth in UK has just about come to a halt in the last three years because of no majority - investment had slowed in industry because no one knew what direction to take - I do think that now the start button can be pushed again creating new jobs - the loss is Labour seats is down to a predominantly working class labour voter changing to conservative for their futures - it’s my opinion
clint van damme
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I think Brexit will be a disaster but I agree, the current limbo can't go on.
Even if Brexit is a disaster, we can recover, we can't stay in limbo forever it's too damaging.
Sick Boy
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It’s unbelievable that so many have been taken in by him
Brighton Sky Blue
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That is what I was saying. It doesn’t mean that I thought I would be allowed. Sturgeon is delighted with the results and that says all you need to know. Sinn Fein took Belfast North for the first time ever from the unionists. Alliance did the same in North Down and even the DUP admit Johnson’s deal is especially bad for the province.
I have to hope against hope that Johnson will not send support for Irish reunification and Scottish independence through the roof. I also have to hope that Brexit won’t hit the economy too hard so that those in poor areas who voted Tory aren’t punished for trusting them. Then I’m hoping that the Tories won’t do too much damage to the public sector.
But I don’t have much hope for any of those things happening. He is an odious man who has spent most of his life lying and deceiving people. Still I hope I’m massively wrong.
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He wasn't until he got into bed with the right wingers to win power.
hence the hope... but also the concern. He's not a principled politician, but hopefully the old habits take precedence over the new allies.
Brighton Sky Blue
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The polls tell a different story
mark82
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I'm not sure a Conservative government is ever good for the working class to be honest. Don't think we'll see much in the way of growth until the Brexit issue is sorted and settled - still too much uncertainty.
I really hope I'm wrong about the working class, but time and again austerity under the Tories has hit the working class the hardest. I can't yet believe Johnson will change that. Brexit will also likely be hardest on the working class in the short term - so double risk.
Brighton Sky Blue
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With respect Steve I couldn’t disagree more.
Mcbean
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Maybe but it’s not a hard Brexit which would be much tougher - there is a deal so business will still flow that is current at the moment
clint van damme
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soon be time to resurrect the EU thread!
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Fuck Right Off!
Brighton Sky Blue
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I will say one thing and that is I’m glad to be going to watch the City tomorrow. An afternoon at the football and frustrations can go from a Trump tribute act winning power to McFadz ‘doing a Corbyn’ in the box
Mcbean
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Let’s face it both results could be a risk for the working class but I couldn’t see nationalisation an answer for anything jobs wise and I am a firm believer in entrepreneurs putting private money in to create jobs and keep employment up
clint van damme
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the East coast main lines most successful period over the last 20 years was when it was taken back in to public ownership, (I think 2009 - 2013 but could be wrong).
We have bailed out its failing franchisees with public money on more than one occasion, the arguments against don't add up.
I don't think everything should be nationalised in the same way I don't think everything should be privatised, but as the example above proves, both can have their place. It's about practicality not ideology.
It’s hard to strongly disagree as only time will tell I guess...:but even the principled Corbyn dropped his strong principles on EU....more of a Brexiteer than Johnson but was quite happy to dump on his core support to keep Momentum happy when he had a sniff of power !
Liquid Gold
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One silver lining for me is the collapse in the Lib Dem vote. Never forgiven them for 2010 and Swindon’s hubris brought us to this point so her being personally affected by the bloodbath is poetic justice. Also those that thought they could jump ship from party to party missing out is good news, glad we don’t need to hear from the likes of Chukka again.
Johnson can now do whatever he wants, I wonder if this will mean he softens a bit as no longer in tow to the ERG.
Bye bye Scotland though.
Johnson can now do whatever he wants, I wonder if this will mean he softens a bit as no longer in tow to the ERG.
Bye bye Scotland though.
Liquid Gold
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Also pretty stark that the only labour leader to win an election in 40 years is Blair, who most people despise.
tisza
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Is this Labour's version of the tory's scare stories about Corbynite policies?
tisza
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This is where the disconnect between members and voters has been highlighted. Does Corbyn stay around to try and ensure his successor will follow his path?
How damaging will the fight for the future direction of the Labour Party be?
clint van damme
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no, it's based on senior American representatives, (including the President), saying in a trade deal the NHS will be up for grabs, (something he later denied).
As well as the facts that several senior Tories have banged the drum for its privatisation and have met with large American pharmaceutical and insurance companies.
Grendel
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It isn’t it’s just nonsense