General Election 2019 thread (81 Viewers)

[Sick Boy]

This is where you are wrong. Boris’ message did matter to the electorate (no matter how much we do or do not like it)
If you had got your wish then a new leader with the same PV message would have been defeated.

In a way you should be happy - Corbyn is gone, a new leader won’t have to deal with the Brexit conundrum. They can focus on progressive policy and thrive later down the line, or we can go for Blair 2.0 and spend a generation more in the wilderness.

If the party continues along its current lines and continues with a continuation of Corbynism, it’ll continue to be in the wilderness.

 

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[Grendel]

Bluekip Brexit cult Tory? Never. The Tories no longer contains any of the values of the Tory Party I voted for. Apparent Marxist communist Corbyn is more traditional Tory than the current “Tory” Party.

Last time you voted for them?

 

[Grendel]

Dennis Skinner did and lost after serving his seat for 49 years. Doesn’t matter because a charlatan used some sound bites

So what? In the 80’s he was a tosser anyway

 

[Ian1779]

If the party continues along its current lines and continues with a continuation of Corbynism, it’ll continue to be in the wilderness.

It’s called socialism. Corbyn was only the vehicle to bring it to the fore after being lost. It might need a little refining but its defining principles are there and will go on after him.

 

[mark82]

We used to pay £700 a month for childcare. We never cried like babies on social media though. We just got on with it.

So, you think it's right that my wife is paid less to look after kids at the nursery than we are charged for our own? It's not crying on social media, it's pointing out something that is wrong. For the record, at times we paid well over £700 a month on childcare. We too have just got on with it, we haven't moaned about it, I'm just pointing out it shouldn't be that way. I'm lucky, I earn a decent salary that's way above average. We can afford it, others can't. Most her colleagues have to give up work when they have children and live off of benefits as they can't afford to go back to work. I'm not sure we should be pushing people into having to live off the state.

This isn't about me, which is something those on the right don't seem to understand. Not everything is about me. I don't vote for me, otherwise my vote probably would have gone Conservative.

 

[Grendel]

If the party continues along its current lines and continues with a continuation of Corbynism, it’ll continue to be in the wilderness.

It will never happen but Lisa Nandy would be a possible choice. A very left wing background but is young, articulate, pragmatic and will attract the northern vote

 

[mark82]

So what? In the 80’s he was a tosser anyway

Yeah, tosser fighting for injustice. Fighting for those people in his community that were impacted badly by the closure of mines. What a tosser questioning hero Maggie. How dare he.

 

[Grendel]

So, you think it's right that my wife is paid less to look after kids at the nursery than we are charged for our own? It's not crying on social media, it's pointing out something that is wrong. For the record, at times we paid well over £700 a month on childcare. We too have just got on with it, we haven't moaned about it, I'm just pointing out it shouldn't be that way. I'm lucky, I earn a decent salary that's way above average. We can afford it, others can't. Most her colleagues have to give up work when they have children and live off of benefits as they can't afford to go back to work. I'm not sure we should be pushing people into having to live off the state.

This isn't about me, which is something those on the right don't seem to understand. Not everything is about me. I don't vote for me, otherwise my vote probably would have gone Conservative.

So people should fund children so that parents can enjoy a cosy lifestyle? Why?

 

[Grendel]

Yeah, tosser fighting for injustice. Fighting for those people in his community that were impacted badly by the closure of mines. What a tosser questioning hero Maggie. How dare he.

He was whipping up Marxist ideology in the 80’s - thatcher was a hero for kicking him and his type into the long grass where they belong. She got elected 3 times - your loser buddy Corbyn is in the rubbish bin where he belongs

 

[Sick Boy]

It’s called socialism. Corbyn was only the vehicle to bring it to the fore after being lost. It might need a little refining but its defining principles are there and will go on after him.

Yes I am aware it’s socialism but the UK doesn’t look like it’s going to go for it any time soon, all it does is lead to decades or Tory rule.

 

[mark82]

I admire politicians with firm principles (of any political hue) that aren't based on offensive -isms.
The media may have given him a rough ride but a fair bit was fed from inside the Labour Party. Nobody from the Tory side was leaking Andrew Fisher's email for example.
His association with Momentum hasn't helped - time and time again their loutish behaviour has been over all forms of the media - from older voters I've heard that they remind them of Militant and their toxicity.
The left-wing media tried push the dirt on Johnson (wasn't hard to find) but for some reason it failed to take off.
Labour party needs a clean break from Corbyn. The media isn't going to let a candidate backed by Corbyn have a free ride as they'll just be accused of being a Corbyn and Momentum puppet. Already it looks like Corbyn staying on is so that he can influence who his successor is.
Think Corbyn also suffers from appearing mild-mannered (almost school masterly) which gives an appearance of indecisiveness and'or weakness. Johnson's loudness gives a visual appearance of confidence and strength (regardless of what he maybe waffling on about). People don't read "anymore" they are hooked by visual media. The Americans fell for it with Trump and the UK has done so with Johnson - I think almost any other current Tory would have struggled leading their party to a majority in this election.

You're 100% right actually. He was never accepted from within his own party - specifically the PLP, and mostly older Blairites. Those that aren't really socialists but have used the socialist party to push their more centrist agenda - and they obviously weren't happy when the party moved back towards its roots. Most of what has been said has been started from within the party and is very personal.

 

[mark82]

Lefties are hilarious on this thread, an embarrassment.... cheer up ya commie leader will never be in charge

Whilst your fascist leader is (yep, I can exaggerate too).

 

[mark82]

Totally wrong.
Your convincing yourself that labour voters don’t understand policy,
All those I work with, (who expressed an opinion) new that Corbyn’s policies just didn’t add up financially.
You can only tax the rich so much before they leave the country, You can only tax businesses so much before they stop investing in the uk, and take the jobs elsewhere.
The plan to nationalise power, rail, etc was just plain laughable.
Free broadband for all was just a pathetic policy.
Labour voters could see through Corbyn’s bullshit, and gave up on him on mass.
But if you want to kid yourself that Brexit was the only reason they lost, then you carry on my friend, But you couldn’t possibly be more deluded.

Yeah, it went too far for sure.

 

[mark82]

Losers protesting in London last night/today about Boris haha what a bunch of sad wankers

This comment is everything that's wrong with the modern world.

 

[mark82]

He was whipping up Marxist ideology in the 80’s - thatcher was a hero for kicking him and his type into the long grass where they belong. She got elected 3 times - your loser buddy Corbyn is in the rubbish bin where he belongs

I've said many a time that I've never been a fan of Corbyn as leader. Not sure what you don't get.

Thatcher ruined many a life. I'm sure she's a hero to all you wealthy right wing boys. Love seeing the working class crushed.

 

[mark82]

So people should fund children so that parents can enjoy a cosy lifestyle? Why?

Nope, but people in charge of kids lives should probably be paid a bit more than they are.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

This comment is everything that's wrong with the modern world.

Cry me a fucking river

 

[Otis]

Cry me a fucking river

The river has dried up.

Cutbacks.

 

[Grendel]

I've said many a time that I've never been a fan of Corbyn as leader. Not sure what you don't get.

Thatcher ruined many a life. I'm sure she's a hero to all you wealthy right wing boys. Love seeing the working class crushed.

Grow up.

I came from a council house and a single parent. You know fuck all about me. Thatcher created a society where if you actually worked hard you made something of your life and not a woe is me my daughter can’t see a tree bleating shite

When I hadn’t enough money from my day job guess what I got another job in the night

If your hero’s like Skinner have had their way I’d have joined the rest of the winking class losers feeling hard done to and racing to the bottom of the cesspit

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Don’t bring me into it, I can’t stand Monentum and couldn’t bring myself to vote for Corbyn.

Both sides are also good at shouting down the others. Until the country stops being Londoncentric the country is going to have problems, nothing about the Tories or Brexit is going to change that though.

Can't stand or spell it! Lol

Seriously though, the politicians of all parties shout each other down & talk over each other. Corbyn to his credit did a lot to at least try to temper all that down & bring a calm decorum to proceedings.

On the London-centricity, I absolutely agree. Air, road & rail all focus on it. I'm surprised they haven't thought out how to get cruise liners all the way up the Thames yet too.

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[Astute]

This is where you are wrong. Boris’ message did matter to the electorate (no matter how much we do or do not like it)
If you had got your wish then a new leader with the same PV message would have been defeated.

In a way you should be happy - Corbyn is gone, a new leader won’t have to deal with the Brexit conundrum. They can focus on progressive policy and thrive later down the line, or we can go for Blair 2.0 and spend a generation more in the wilderness.

What are you going on about now?

I said what Boris was saying was working as it was what people wanted to hear. But it wasn't much of a message. Let's get Brexit done? Yeah right.



You was the one constantly praising Corbyn and telling me I was wrong.

The best Labour chance is more central than left. You want extreme policies. But you never explain how to get enough voters in on your extreme policies. Most people don't want to pay more tax. What someone says and what they really want are frequently two totally different things.

 

[Sick Boy]

Can't stand or spell it! Lol
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Fortunately it’s just an inability to use touchscreens and a stubbornness to wear glasses

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Yeah, it went too far for sure.

It went as far and as fast as a jet-ski through a forest.

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[SkyblueBazza]

Fortunately it’s just an inability to use touchscreens and a stubbornness to wear glasses

At last we are on the same page. The number of edits I have to do to make sense after "productive ticks" kicks in due to fumbles is farcical lol

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[tisza]

Dennis Skinner did and lost after serving his seat for 49 years. Doesn’t matter because a charlatan used some sound bites

Already expressed my feelings on Dennis Skinner on election night.

 

[Flying Fokker]

Yeah, tosser fighting for injustice. Fighting for those people in his community that were impacted badly by the closure of mines. What a tosser questioning hero Maggie. How dare he.

All those sons and daughters of miners with a bloody good reason to hold grudges, decided to vote Tory... it’s a sign of the times that people are prepared to vote with their heads rather than hearts.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You can’t see the wood for the trees

Or is it they can't see the wood for the Brexit tree?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The problem was that people just like yourself couldn't bring yourself to see the facts.it was much easier to insult someone than consider the truth.

Corbyn was an absolute disaster for Labour. But too many constantly made excuses for him. And anyone who disagreed was there to be insulted. But the bloke just wasn't electable in any way.

We need to move along. We need to find a leader that is likeable. We need someone strong yet who doesn't want to demolish everything. Someone without skeletons in the closet stretching back 40 years or more.

At least the discussion on Corbyn being the right person to lead Labour should now be finished.

While I don't disagree with you, do you only think the way Corbyn was criticised and portrayed in the media overall was similar to Johnson?

IMO Corbyn had more shit thrown at him than Johnson even though Johnson's behaviour deserved it more. If the roles were reversed do you think the level of criticism would've been the same? I don't - Corbyn would've been crucified by the media had he done even half what Alexander has.

 

[fatso]

I've said many a time that I've never been a fan of Corbyn as leader. Not sure what you don't get.

Thatcher ruined many a life. I'm sure she's a hero to all you wealthy right wing boys. Love seeing the working class crushed.

Your comment here is equally as bad as the one referring to protesters in London as sad wankers.

Honestly, when did it become so nasty and devisive to have differing opinions.

As for the lies, All politicians lie, be cause the public cant handle the truth. As a nation we are 1.8 trillion pounds in debt, servicing that debt, let alone reducing it, is never going to be possible while delivering what their manifestos promise.
But they have to keep up the rediculous pretence to "buy" votes. So in short, it's not the lies that's the problem, but the total lack of political awareness of so many of the public.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

This is why I speak of northern representation through the next leadership of the Labour Party. Don’t get me wrong, I understand that the Tories haven’t had to do that on this occasion but the swell of opinion around the fact that the Tories will help these northern communities out more needs to be fought quickly, and what better way than to bring in someone relatable for the electorate up there. May be a cheap game but definitely worth a try.

May as well - very simple tactics worked for the Tories this time. Up until now I've always tried to keep faith in the public - treat them as intelligent and explain your policies. This election result I'm afraid changes all that - cheap gimmicky slogans and entertaining personality and you get a landslide even when you've got almost no policies, the leader is a proven shitbag and the party themselves have spent the past decade neglecting your area.

 

[fernandopartridge]

The story from Bolsover:

General election 2019: How Dennis Skinner lost his Bolsover seat

Incredibly frustrating stuff to read. No matter what the Tory says those constituents spat in Skinner’s face yesterday.

Fucking hell, what you mean if you vote for the other party they might win

She said she felt "surprised" Mr Skinner lost his seat but added: "No-one round here has any faith in Jeremy Corbyn."

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The other thing as well is the conservative strategy all along is better

Johnson positioned himself as the people’s champion against an unrepresentative Parliament. Every defeat in parliament grew his standing with the public and dumbos who were laughing at his continuous defeats were themselves the stupid ones

You are probably correct on the Conservative strategy being better. Unfortunately said strategy basically revolved around treating people like they're thick. So as it was more successful I guess they're right.

 

[Grendel]

You are probably correct on the Conservative strategy being better. Unfortunately said strategy basically revolved around treating people like their thick. So as it was more successful I guess they're right.

No it really didn’t

Corbyns strategy was based off a computer game salesman selling an Atari as new technology and believing the working class was dumb enough to follow him

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

He’d be 92 at the next election - he needed to be out out to grass anyway

He's being head-hunted by the Young Conservatives

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

There are quite a few political pundits predicting that Boris, being a clever strategist, has duly noted that there has been a massive imbalance on investment in infrastructure in Scotland & the North East & the Midlands relative to the Sputh & London. They think his Government will likely invest in the old Labour safe seat's with projects that are highly visible & can be referred to as specific evidence of investment.

He is planning ahead for a second term already! The rest (bar SNP) will have a lot of catching up to do if these pundits are correct.

I assume these projects will involve bridges between Yorkshire and Lancashire & Edinburgh and Glasgow.