fatso
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If Boris fucks up, he will be removed before the next election.
Realistically, labour are out of office for a minimum of 10 years, probably longer.
They have become the Bolton wanderers of the political world.
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Realistically, labour are out of office for a minimum of 10 years, probably longer.
They have become the Bolton wanderers of the political world.
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Brexit will be the biggest thing - if it's unsuccessful people will look to blame the Tories saying they made a poor job of it rather than it being flawed outright. With a potential Irish border and Scot independence argument (which Alexander will inevitably offend the Scots in at some point) added to the mix it could be a massive problem.
Speaking of such Alexander is arguably their greatest weapon - he inevitably lets people down and exploits people. The longer he stays in the job the more incapable he will show himself to be and even he will eventually run out of goodwill with the posh buffoon shtick.
Grendel
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You really have no idea do you
SkyblueBazza
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Cameron nor any Minister doesn't decide on the boundaries. I think I am right in saying that parliament itself requests reviews, the government of the day at the last request for the 2018 changes pushed & got accepted to reduce the number of constituencies to 600.
They have some specific rules to satisfy in their reviews...none of which are designed to deliberately obstruct any political party.
The Commission is Chaired by the Speaker of HoC but is just a kind of final sign off before taking it back to the House. His Deputy Chair is always a High Court Judge...who I hope you'd agree is not to be swayed but anything other than the undeniable facts in all legal matters?
No doubt if a party believes recommended changes are positive for them they will try to push them through. I guess with 'social cleansing' or various other policies over decades it might be possible to engineer things somewhat...but I doubt it happens as there are far too many variables.
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Flying Fokker
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Keir Starmer....who seemed to go very quiet towards the end of the campaign.
Jess Phillips. A Midlander who is not afraid to speak.
Lisa Nandy...the not so obvious choice.
Jess Phillips. A Midlander who is not afraid to speak.
Lisa Nandy...the not so obvious choice.
Flying Fokker
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Rayner and long bailey annoy me for different reasons. Rayner needs Gelding. She’d be ok if she could just take the nasty Labour snarl away...I saw her on the last debate and if she’d been just that little bit more compose (rather than sounding like she was bollocking her husband?) I would have agreed with her. She turned into Arthur Scargill.
Long Bailey is not mass appeal. Reminds me of a cartoon character. And not a pleasant one either.
Malaka
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I don't think Angela Rayner is thick. She is pretty feisty but a little too far to the left for my liking. Labour needs to go centre left to have any chance going forward. Corbyn was and the left was a major turn-off for a lot of the electorate IMO. I struggled to find anyone who liked him
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Are you telling me that Alexander doesn't let people down and those people don't have trust him?
Are you saying that the Irish border won't create issues?
Are you saying the SNP won't be pushing for indyref2 and that it's likely Alexander will at some point say something derogatory about the Scots, adding fuel to the fire?
If you're answering yes to any of these questions then you really ought to take a more historical evidence based approach to your thinking.
IF Brexit isn't a success you think the public that voted for it will just say "whoops, we got that wrong!". Of course not, they'll look to blame whoever put it through as doing it badly rather than admit the entire thing was flawed from the start and they made the wrong decision.
Of course IF it goes well then of course the Tories will continue to do well in future elections regardless of anything Alexander or anyone else does. Hence why I said it was the most important issue.
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westcountry_skyblue
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Horrible excuse for a human being,So far up her own arse it’s unbelievable.
If labour choose her you can guarantee it’ll be longer than ten years in opposition.
Lady Nugee would be better off in the backbenches with a sock in her gob!!
fatso
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I feel Jess Phillip's would be eaten alive by the tories. She's definitely not up to the task of leading an international political party.
Could you honestly imagine her being the voice of Great Britain on the world stage?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Alexander isn't up to the task either but he's doing it.
Jess Phillips main aim wouldn't be to be the voice of Britain on the world stage, it would be to get Labour back to where it was against the Tories and she's feisty and witty enough to take on Alexander.
Plus she's perfect to get him to offend people - she's got a thick regional accent and a woman - he won't be able to help but say something derogatory about her based on these. Same as I'd expect he wouldn't be able to help himself being derogatory if they chose a BAME/homosexual candidate.
Grendel
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Most of these threads should be closed down
Politics in the 21st century is a business. Labour failed on so many levels - It was embarrassing
They have two choices
My choice for them is to exclude the members and appoint a parliament Labour Party separate to the members and appoint Yvette Cooper and when they can put him back in power Andy Burnham. I’m assuming David Milliband is not an option - if he is then they get him in and then get a policy change to not allow member votes
If they insist on the suicidal solution of allowing members to dictate Lisa Nandy is a hope. There is a lot of work to do with her but she seems to get the balance of bonkers socialism and a need to actually be attractive to people who actually pay tax and work
Frankly all the other discussions now are bollocks
Politics in the 21st century is a business. Labour failed on so many levels - It was embarrassing
They have two choices
My choice for them is to exclude the members and appoint a parliament Labour Party separate to the members and appoint Yvette Cooper and when they can put him back in power Andy Burnham. I’m assuming David Milliband is not an option - if he is then they get him in and then get a policy change to not allow member votes
If they insist on the suicidal solution of allowing members to dictate Lisa Nandy is a hope. There is a lot of work to do with her but she seems to get the balance of bonkers socialism and a need to actually be attractive to people who actually pay tax and work
Frankly all the other discussions now are bollocks
stupot07
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Grendel
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John McDonnell went to a £36,000 a year private school
Brighton Sky Blue
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I know you don't care about the union but support for independence was already at 50% during the election and Johnson's election will send that higher. Polling from NI also shows that ramming through a crap Brexit will send support for reunification through the roof over there. When even the DUP are forced to admit that the deal is a pile of shit the feeling more broadly will be a disaster.
Will be interesting to see which lasts longer out of Tory governments or the union
Grendel
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Again the union would have been down the plug hole under Corbyn you honestly have zero idea. I cannot believe the Scots would ever be dumb enough to ever vote to leave the UK - it would be a humiliating catastrophe that would end up with them crawling back
If Johnson was an opportunistic politician he’d want them gone wouldn’t he as it would solidify a Tory government for years and years to come?
stupot07
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Grendel
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It has to do with your strange obsession about people from Eton - McDonnell has been pulling strings and he is an epitome of wealth and luxury. Jess Phillips is a loose cannon and pretty dumb
Brighton Sky Blue
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The union would have been strengthened by progressive government at Westminster and the possibility of cancelling Brexit. Scotland has returned more Tories than Labour MPs in the last 2 elections and kept Mrs May in office a few years ago. Brexit should show you that leaving a union being crap isn't enough of a deterrent against people voting for it. England going blue and Scotland going yellow, England going for Brexit and Scotland going 60% against it provide strong constitutional arguments in favour.
Though I don't see how even you can spin it on Northern Ireland. Johnson has properly thrown them under the bus and support for reunification will become tough to ignore
stupot07
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Grendel
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She has zero leadership ability and anyway is abhorrent to momentum who control labour
fatso
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Wtf has going to Eton got to do with anything.
Sounds to me that you may have a chip on the old shoulder!
stupot07
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Zero leadership lol. Have you actually got anything positive to say about anyone?
Momentum need to be sidelined, the party needs a leader who will kick them to the kerb.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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If the vote is put to the membership again there is little chance of that happening. Dare I say the PLP should at least be putting forward the final choices
Grendel
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Ive already stated if labour want to be a credible force they need form a parliamentary party and ditch its membership
stupot07
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66% of Boris's cabinet went to private school (twice Mays), and only 6.5% of people go to private school. Hardly representative of the country we live in. Loads of etonites in leading political roles with a sense of entitlement.
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Grendel
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So what? The public clearly believe that’s a better choice than a dumb twat who barely made 2 A levels?
stupot07
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stupot07
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On a side note this is a really interesting article.
Why boarding schools produce bad leaders
Why boarding schools produce bad leaders
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Why boarding schools produce bad leaders
Why boarding schools produce bad leaders
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Grendel
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Well many sneer that Brexit voters are less educated. I think Mr Johnson was more educated at 16 than Rayner is now. Does education matter or not?
Grendel
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You realise Mr McDonnell went to a boarding school?
stupot07
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It shouldn't matter what school you go to but unfortunately the way social mobility works it does.
Britain’s top jobs still in hands of private school elite, study finds
Britain’s top jobs still in hands of private school elite, study finds
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Grendel
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It shouldn't matter what school you go to but unfortunately the way social mobility works it does.
Britain’s top jobs still in hands of private school elite, study finds
Britain’s top jobs still in hands of private school elite, study finds
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So Tony Blair went to a boarding school and Thatcher didn’t? I struggle to get the point
stupot07
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Again, what's that got to do with anything? I dont want mcdonnell as labour leader. This was about Jess Phillip's.
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