Sick Boy
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Like Johnson, Rees Mogg etc then? Why would some Tory MPs be fine to vote it down and others not?
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fatso
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Because some Tory mp’s (and many many voters) Don’t see a deal that ties us to the EU as “leaving”
For many, leave means leave, and only a clean break with no deal at all will represent us leaving.
That would necessitate leaving on WTO terms, until new trade deals can be put in place.
Which incidentally was what the referendum was all about, and what the country actually voted for.
Sick Boy
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How is Johnson’s deal better than May’s in that respect then, considering that he has already agreed for NI to be treated differently to GB?
Didn’t he promise that this wouldn’t happen?
Considering he isn’t a true Brexiteer at heart, I have a feeling you’re going to end up disappointed with the final outcome.
And there is no evidence whatsoever that the referendum vote was for leaving with no deal, especially as it was never mooted during campaigning.
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This is basically pushed by fundamentalist loons who seem keen to divide the country for some reason.
Brexit shouldn't be up for debate atm, but somehow it now is!
Of course his fixed deadline also makes it arguably more likely that we end up with a soft Brexit mind you... it's the removal of parliamentary sovereignty that's uncomfortable. The whole thing is a sham.
shmmeee
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(stop ruing my thread with Brexit
)So you want us to leave without a trade deal, then immediately start negotiating a trade deal?
Do you just enjoy recessions?
Why are we determined to do this at one Tony corner of the time cost quality triangle? Brexiter lack of confidence will cost us billions.
if you want a clean break we need to do it carefully so as not to kill our economy. If you want it quick we need to keep alignment for the same reason. We’re just going to get the worst of both worlds and now Boris has tied to to economic shock with no revenue raising powers.
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fatso
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It was definitely a referendum on no deal, that’s beyond question, just utube David Cameron’s speeches, he went to great lengths to spell out exactly what it meant, and it meant NO DEAL, it’s not debatable, it’s a matter of historic and recorded fact!
Johnson’s ‘deal” is not much better than May’s but he got it through at the eleventh hour because it was that deal or a no deal, and the opposition were desperate to avoid a no deal.
Any “deal” will ultimately not satisfy hard brexitiers, but my guess is once we are out, other countries will eventually follow until the whole sordid and corrupt EU ultimately implodes. But in the meantime Boris COULD allow the time scale to expire and still leave with no deal.
fatso
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Shmmee old chap, just give it up. The country voted for a no deal Brexit.(stop ruing my thread with Brexit
So you want us to leave without a trade deal, then immediately start negotiating a trade deal?
Do you just enjoy recessions?
Why are we determined to do this at one Tony corner of the time cost quality triangle? Brexiter lack of confidence will cost us billions.
if you want a clean break we need to do it carefully so as not to kill our economy. If you want it quick we need to keep alignment for the same reason. We’re just going to get the worst of both worlds and now Boris has tied to to economic shock with no revenue raising powers.
The GE was mostly about Brexit, and it’s outcome was overwhelming.
The argument is over, put your drum away now.
SkyBlueDom26
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He'll never stop crying about it, its embarrassing now
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Absolute bollocks
SkyBlueDom26
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Another one who can't accept a majority result, most people would prefer a clean break brexit
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One day you'll grow up.
Ian1779
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You can’t even define what that means. Neither can anyone else. You won the Brexit argument fair enough - but you need to stop with this British Empire bollocks.
SkyBlueDom26
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One day you'll accept a result
Grendel
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Perhaps you just aim that at much older petulant losers like Gina Miller and Caroline Flint
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I'll aim it at Dom because he's a c**t.
Grendel
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Charming
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If only he was. He's a fucking moron who laughs at others' misfortune and is a clueless imbecile who's either 10, voted for his allowances to be cut, or is just an absolute tosser. He doesn't deserve air.
All just #bantz of course
fatso
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Another priceless comment from a remoaner who still can’t accept the facts.
You’ll be denying the referendum even happened next.
If ever the phrase “you cant argue with stupid” was ever relevant it’s now after reading your posts.
Sick Boy
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Talking about living in a post-truth era.
The likes of Johnson, Gove and even Farage were saying that there was no chance of not getting a deal during the referendum. It was even claimed that the UK could enjoy all of the benefits of the single market outside of the EU.
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I don't understand why some are so determined for such a destructive result, anyway. Hell, even Grendel has said a soft Brexit is the best way to unify the country!
Sick Boy
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Yes, I remember he did as he felt it was reflective of how close the vote was and the need to unite the country. It seems pragmatism is dead
shmmeee
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Its not a drum. Just the inconvenient truth I’m afraid.
Just cos it’s Brexit doesn’t mean the standard rules of project management don’t apply. You can have it quick or you can have it good. You can’t have both. I’m not campaigning for either. This is your baby.
shmmeee
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Look it worked on the missus last night alright?
clint van damme
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Surely the Brexit party would have done much better if people wanted no deal?
fatso
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The fact that you don’t understand, doesn’t surprise me.
SkyBlueDom26
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fatso
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People just wanted Brexit done, hence the tories slogan.
A vote for the Brexit part was a vote for Corbyn, which partly explains the Brexit parties poor result.
I do acknowledge however that the majority of voters would now settle for the deal.
SkyBlueDom26
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After months and months of pathetic play by labour and all the other remain parties with amendments! They couldn't really get what they wanted
clint van damme
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Johnson was part of the reason Mays deal got bombed out.
richnrg
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in the bombhole!
(fairly niche I'm afraid)
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Divisive Twat.
Grendel
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Not really it was never getting through anyway - in the end the bonkers strategy of the opposition of “holding the government to account” has finished them. The public were rightly outraged at anti democratic process, a non independent speaker and a laughable “supreme court” attempting to pervert democracy - it’s a dumb idiotic strategy that rightly failed