Sick Boy
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Unbelievable isn’t it
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I was talking about the list attached to the post Clint, as he was talking about the increase in public support. Didn’t see water on there
shmmeee
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Because if Remain has won 52:48 you’d have been totally cool with us joining the Euro and Shengen, campaigning for Turkey to join, and initiating an EU Army I guess?
Pull the other one. Literally no one was talking about hard Brexit during the campaign and you know it.
Irrelevant now, you’re getting your wish. What time should I expect my delivery of milk and honey?
shmmeee
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Just like we rejected Toryism in 1997 you mean?
shmmeee
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Why did Johnson have to promise so much spending then? Why don’t they just privatise the NHS and gut public services?
We are a socially conservative, soft left economically country. Have been forever.
fatso
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I thought you only ate sour grapes!
fatso
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That was over 20 years ago, and labour had been dragged back to the centre in order to win that election, which is something the socialists fail to accept.
But hey, it will be another 20 years before labour will get a chance of gaining power, that’s if the loonies hasn’t killed the party by then.
Liquid Gold
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I like the sound of Starmer's first pitch.
Brighton Sky Blue
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People said as much when the Tories bagged 40 fewer seats than Labour did this time. Politics comes around in cycles. The charlatan will fall on his lies and Labour will choose someone with fewer skeletons in the closet to try and get people to vote for their own self interest.
fatso
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Yet again you have fundamentally failed to grasp the point, that labour isn't labour any more, it’s infected by momentum, the extreme left socialist morons who’s own agenda is systematically destroying a once great party.
When are you going to wake up and realise that the average working man/woman wants nothing to do with loony socialism. It doesn’t matter who labour elect as leader, you will always be beholden to momentum and the trade union barons.
In fact, with great irony, you should be thanking Farage and his Brexit party, without them splitting the Tory vote, you’d of lost another 30 seats.
If the Lib Dem’s sort themselves out now Brexit is going to happen, it’s actually them that could well be challenging for power in future elections not labour who will inevitably continue their corse to self destruction.
SkyBlueDom26
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This is true, thats why it was embarrassingly defeated at the election.... some people on here need to get a grip at that fact.
clint van damme
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Which policies didn't you like?
SkyBlueDom26
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Haven't rejected it now though have we, bet you are thrilled with the election result! :smuggrin::smuggrin::smuggrin::smuggrin:
Brighton Sky Blue
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So why did ‘loony socialism’ get over 40% of the vote last time?
fatso
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Because it’s taken over 2 years for most people to wake up and realise what the fucks happening.
There’s just you and Shmmee left to wake up and smell the coffee.
Brighton Sky Blue
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That’s funny because 2017 was 2 years after Corbyn was made leader. The anti Semitism/IRA/Hamas/Commie Corbyn headlines were flowing then too. It is also awkward to note that when Corbyn got campaigning on an anti austerity manifesto he cut May’s lead by over 20 points.
More to the point when his policies are polled they do well. I have already discussed the reasons behind the result. I have also been calling for him to leave for months. But you will still call me a fan boy even as ConDom sucks off Johnson on a daily basis
fatso
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Anti austerity will always poll well among those who forget, or never new why austerity was brought about in the first place.
Anti austerity voters rarely know or understand that we as a nation are 1.8 trillion pounds in debt, or that it's the 8 million people that Blair's government let in that's the real cause for the current issues in the NHS, and not underfunding by the Tories. (Infact if you even mention immigration now, you get shouted down for being racist, despite it being the biggest single issue in the referendum)
In fact I'd say, many voters are completely politically unaware, they vote labour because they always have, or if they see queues at A&E it's easier to blame lack of funding than to look further into the issue for the truth.
Anti austerity voters rarely know or understand that we as a nation are 1.8 trillion pounds in debt, or that it's the 8 million people that Blair's government let in that's the real cause for the current issues in the NHS, and not underfunding by the Tories. (Infact if you even mention immigration now, you get shouted down for being racist, despite it being the biggest single issue in the referendum)
In fact I'd say, many voters are completely politically unaware, they vote labour because they always have, or if they see queues at A&E it's easier to blame lack of funding than to look further into the issue for the truth.
fatso
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If you sympathise or align yourself with terrorists, that shit will stay relevant for ever, even after your death, but to be fair, at the time Corbyn never had ambitions to be the party leader, let alone a future P.M.
As for being a fan boy, I'll never knock you for being that, everyone is entitled to an opinion, it's what makes politics great.
And afterall, being wrong all the time is not a crime (yet
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fatso
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Oh and another thing, if your going into a general election as party leader, it's actually a good idea to make your beliefs and stance on the relevant issues of the day well known to people who you are asking to vote for you.
To this day no one knows what corbyn himself wants.
Brighton Sky Blue
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If you sympathise or align yourself with terrorists, that shit will stay relevant for ever, even after your death, but to be fair, at the time Corbyn never had ambitions to be the party leader, let alone a future P.M.
As for being a fan boy, I'll never knock you for being that, everyone is entitled to an opinion, it's what makes politics great.
And afterall, being wrong all the time is not a crime (yet
Except I’m not a fan of his and haven’t been most of the year. The British army allied with terrorists of the UVF. The government has also allied itself with jihadist mujahideen in the 80s and is allied with Islamic extremists in Saudi right now.
The fact remains the slurs didn’t work in 2017.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Yes that’s why you write essays for and against before calcu-wait what
OffenhamSkyBlue
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I think in 2017, within a year of the referendum, people genuinely thought that Corbyn and Labour might be able to offer some genuine opposition to May and Brexit. But all he did in the subsequent two years was to snipe and whinge and moan about what the Tories were doing, and came up with NOTHING positive in the way of opposition. 2017 was a re-telling of the emperor's new clothes and the electorate this time saw through the loony-left, non-budgeted, pie-in-the-sky manifesto pledges.
shmmeee
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“Destroying the country to own the Libs”
Im against votes at 16, but if this is the most solid political argument from someone your age maybe we may as well let the kids vote.
shmmeee
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Hmmm, calling the electorate stupid, that they didn’t know what they were voting for. Where have I heard that before
fatso
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Lily Allen ?Hmmm, calling the electorate stupid, that they didn’t know what they were voting for. Where have I heard that before
shmmeee
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Im surprised she’s a political template for you.
SkyBlueDom26
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Corbyn getting in would have destroyed our country, even people from the labour party said how he wasn't to be trusted with our security! Wake up Shmmeee and get ya deluded head out the clouds, you lost on both votes now accept it
fatso
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Lol, she thinks half the population are thick, I can’t argue with that, problem is we disagree on which half!
shmmeee
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whooooooooooooooooooshhhh
SkyBlueDom26
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Oh dear, you know you are wrong
SkyBlueDom26
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Oh dear, someones still upset from the result.
SkyBlueDom26
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Incredibly i never thought I'd say these words but he was actually talking sense about how bad Corbyn was
clint van damme
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Asked you before, has Corbyn ever lost him job for colluding with a foreign government or for passing information to a Chinese multinational?
2 of the current cabinet have.
fatso
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Oh god, I feel sick.