New Labour Leader (2 Viewers)

[SkyBlueDom26]

Remind me who it is that are more highly educated. Remind me which party wanted to get rid of private education.

I really never get why Labour wanted to do this.... i for one went to normal state school, however why shouldn't people who are more well off be able to send there kids to private school to get better education?

 

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[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Oh dear, David Cameron spelt our exactly what leave would mean prior to the referendum, he said there would be only one referendum, and a no vote would result in the uk being out of the customs union, out of the single market, out of the European courts, and out of the Schengen treaty. Etc etc
All of this is a matter of historic record, and his speeches are on utube for anyone to listen to.
How come your not aware of it? Please tell me you didn’t vote without having a fucking clue!

Because he was pro-Remain and Leave painted it as project fear. Who from the leave campaign repeated these? Johnson didn't, Gove didn't, even Farage didn't. All talked about aspects that could be kept. So if this was untrue and they knew it to be untrue shouldn't they all be being investigated?

 

[fatso]

So why didn't he get so massively rejected in 2017? He must've done a lot of terrorist sympathising in the last two years?

Because of the Brexit question. people were still believing that Labour would actually have a stance on Brexit in 2017, by 2019 the public had given up on the idea.
Also in 2017 the conservatives were in complete disarray over Brexit, and completely divided as a party. They were also being lead by the worst leader in their history (imho), if there was ever an open goal for labour 2017 was it.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Because of the Brexit question. people were still believing that Labour would actually have a stance on Brexit in 2017, by 2019 the public had given up on the idea.
Also in 2017 the conservatives were in complete disarray over Brexit, and completely divided as a party. They were also being lead by the worst leader in their history (imho), if there was ever an open goal for labour 2017 was it.

The Momentum movement having a huge influence didn't help Labour at all

 

[Astute]

Because he was pro-Remain and Leave painted it as project fear. Who from the leave campaign repeated these? Johnson didn't, Gove didn't, even Farage didn't. All talked about aspects that could be kept. So if this was untrue and they knew it to be untrue shouldn't they all be being investigated?

And the Tory leaders have been pro remain while Corbyn was pro leave.

None if them have kept to what they think is best.

 

[Astute]

I really never get why Labour wanted to do this.... i for one went to normal state school, however why shouldn't people who are more well off be able to send there kids to private school to get better education? Its another big Labour fantasy

Jealousy.

Especially when you try to consider those at the top of Labour had private education of some type. Hypocritical or what.

 

[fatso]

The Momentum movement having a huge influence didn't help Labour at all

That’s very true, and let’s not forget Corbyn recruited the snowflakes by promising to look at student debt, and thus the implication was that labour would scrap the student loans. This was never realistic, and labour later admitted as much.

 

[fatso]

And the Tory leaders have been pro remain while Corbyn was pro leave.

None if them have kept to what they think is best.

Boris was bright enough to change his view in face of public opinion,
Corbyn wasn’t as bright. The rest as they say .....

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Do you really think Corbyn would have been able to deliver on all of his manifesto? Like truthfully

I know what Boris and his party have done since 2010. I would like us as a country to care more and to seek to identify answers to the questions to tories have forced us to answer. We will never know. I don’t know but I do know I wasn’t willing to allow a party and leader that have so wilfully demonised the vulnerable and poor in our country to continue to do so

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

He's more trustworthy than Corbyn thats for sure

Do you ever look at anything other than stuff praising Alexander? Are you in a cult in which he's the leader?

His brother quit because he didn't trust him. He's cheated on his wife numerous times (and even cheated on the women he was cheating on his wife with). Even during the election the Arcuri woman was shat upon (not that I've any sympathy for her whatsoever). He's been sacked from govt for lying. His ex bosses at newspapers have said he can't be trusted as well as being incompetent. He's printed things with no truth to them whatsoever to get a reaction.

Corbyn has a huge number of faults, but if you think one of them is being less trustworthy than Alexander you need your head seeing to.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

There are stupid people about. So some would have voted. And they would have voted for all parties.

Remind me who it is that are more highly educated..

Remind me which party gets the most votes from those with lower qualifications?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

He lost in 2017 but it was treated like a win. So we tried the same again. And got another defeat. I said at the time in 2017 we would lose. And had been saying since 2017 we would lose by a bigger margin if we had no change. This time we got the least amount of seats in 85 years.

But yeah let's just carry on.

At what point have I suggested Labour 'just carry on'?

Missed the point entirely, as you were talking about associations carrying on with you forever. In which case if his 'terrorist sympathising ' was such a massive factor why wasn't it such a massive factor in 2017 when the Conservatives had their majority reduced? Surely it should've resulted in Labour doing much more poorly in that election than they did (even though it was ultimately a failure)?

Similarly with policy I agree that the latest manifesto went too far left (or at the very least far too quickly) which hampered the party, but it's not like the 2017 one was a capitalist's wet dream. It was still a largely socialist principle set of policies. Research on the doorstep didn't show people massively disagreeing with those policies either (though whether they were telling the truth is another matter).

The main reason the 'red wall' broke was Brexit. Opinion of Corbyn and a more extreme manifesto just turned a Tory majority into a landslide.

 

[Grendel]

Do you ever look at anything other than stuff praising Alexander? Are you in a cult in which he's the leader?

His brother quit because he didn't trust him. He's cheated on his wife numerous times (and even cheated on the women he was cheating on his wife with). Even during the election the Arcuri woman was shat upon (not that I've any sympathy for her whatsoever). He's been sacked from govt for lying. His ex bosses at newspapers have said he can't be trusted as well as being incompetent. He's printed things with no truth to them whatsoever to get a reaction.

Corbyn has a huge number of faults, but if you think one of them is being less trustworthy than Alexander you need your head seeing to.

Mr Corbyn has cheated on at least one of his wives with oddly a person who is now shadow Home Secretary

Mr Corbyn, Ms Abbott and co sat on the editorial board of a magazine that made a comment about dead Tories at Brighton as being a start - he continued to contribute after this lovely article

 

[fatso]

Remind me which party gets the most votes from those with lower qualifications?

It means nothing, just because shit loads of snowflakes with their Art, Media studies and Drama degrees voted for comrade Corbyn it doesn’t mean diddley squat. In general, people get wiser as the get older.
But have we really resulted to insulting huge swaths of the populatin?
Surely we need to move forward, it’s time to get the best deal we can on Brexit, and hold all politicians to account on their promises.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Mr Corbyn has cheated on at least one of his wives with oddly a person who is now shadow Home Secretary

Mr Corbyn, Ms Abbott and co sat on the editorial board of a magazine that made a comment about dead Tories at Brighton as being a start - he continued to contribute after this lovely article

Safe to say the list of deceptions committed by Mr Johnson is longer than any of us could hope to achieve

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

It means nothing, just because shit loads of snowflakes with their Art, Media studies and Drama degrees voted for comrade Corbyn it doesn’t mean diddley squat. In general, people get wiser as the get older.
But have we really resulted to insulting huge swaths of the populatin?
Surely we need to move forward, it’s time to get the best deal we can on Brexit, and hold all politicians to account on their promises.

I can agree with the last half of that sentence

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I can agree with the last half of that sentence

So you don't agree that we should get the best brexit deal possible?????? Didn't have you down as wanting no deal

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So you don't agree that we should get the best brexit deal possible?????? Didn't have you down as wanting no deal

What do you think of Johnson's deal with respect to Northern Ireland?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I really never get why Labour wanted to do this.... i for one went to normal state school, however why shouldn't people who are more well off be able to send there kids to private school to get better education?

For me the big issue with this is the fact it is looked upon as 'better education' that reduces social mobility and entrenches the sense of entitlement and superiority in those with more means to pay. A thick fucker in private school will be given far more credibility and opportunity via social networks than a highly intelligent state comprehensive kid.

Same argument I think stands for grammar schools - those that get picked are far more likely to get opportunities than those that don't based purely on an academic achievement at the age of 11.

It needs to stop being looked upon as 'better' and instead as an alternative route to making the most of a childs abilities to enable them to succeed. Being able to fix a boiler has as much worth to society as someone who can understand string theory.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Because of the Brexit question. people were still believing that Labour would actually have a stance on Brexit in 2017, by 2019 the public had given up on the idea.
Also in 2017 the conservatives were in complete disarray over Brexit, and completely divided as a party. They were also being lead by the worst leader in their history (imho), if there was ever an open goal for labour 2017 was it.

So we agree then. The big issue was Brexit, not Corbyn's former associations.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

So you don't agree that we should get the best brexit deal possible?????? Didn't have you down as wanting no deal

I don’t know how we move forward

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I don’t know how we move forward

By getting brexit done! Now Boris has his majority we will be able to do it without interference and delay

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

3 words, 4 syllables!

 

[stupot07]

Because he was pro-Remain and Leave painted it as project fear. Who from the leave campaign repeated these? Johnson didn't, Gove didn't, even Farage didn't. All talked about aspects that could be kept. So if this was untrue and they knew it to be untrue shouldn't they all be being investigated?

No they didnt they said it was bullshit and lies and all part of project fear. They said we would have our cake and eat it, that the germans will want to sell us cars, they the French will want to sell us wine, that it would be thes easiest trade deal in history, and continued that rhetoric until very recently now that the deal wasnt easy, and that No deal is still on the cards.

The new MO seems to be "oh but the remain side did warn you, even though the leavers told you it was lies and project fear. Don't say you weren't warned. " its mind blowing given the whole leave campaign was based on discrediting and publishing these 'project fears'

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[richnrg]

Jealousy.
Especially when you try to consider those at the top of Labour had private education of some type. Hypocritical or what.

I think they would argue that it's 'fairness' as opposed to 'jealousy'

2 kids born in same city on same day. One to rich parents, the other to poor parents. Private education gives one kid an (unfair?) advantage over the other.

I'm not arguing for or against this btw - it's just that you seem to have missed the argument.

 

[Grendel]

Safe to say the list of deceptions committed by Mr Johnson is longer than any of us could hope to achieve

Maybe, maybe not.

However Mr Corbyn continued to contribute to a magazine after it gloated at the death of an MP in the Brighton bombing m

So I assume if Mr Johnson continued to contribute to a magazine say after laughing at the death of Jo Cox you’d have no issue with it?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Maybe, maybe not.

However Mr Corbyn continued to contribute to a magazine after it gloated at the death of an MP in the Brighton bombing m

So I assume if Mr Johnson continued to contribute to a magazine say after laughing at the death of Jo Cox you’d have no issue with it?

‘It was a different time’

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Comparing the value of individual donations above £7k:

Conservatives £18 million
Labour £5 million

The party of the people. Definitely not just there to do the bidding of the rich

 

[shmmeee]

Wtf are you on about now?
The Cameron references were explaining that the referendum vote was essentially for a no deal, as Cameron (pm at the time) was trying to frighten voters in to voting to remain.
This bollocks with Boris selling the NHS is more Bollocks from Corbyn trying to frighten voters I to voting for labour.
It's amazing how many people continuously fall for fear tactics.
Clearly, you can fool some people ALL the time.

I can’t make this any simpler without using crayons but let me try again.

You can’t simultaneously claim that Cameron and co were running “project fear” and that everyone listened to what he said and that’s what they voted for. By that logic we should also be starting WW3, wasn’t that in project fear as well?

What matters isn’t what your opponents said about you in the campaign, it’s what you said. What did the leavers day would happen? That’s what Leave voters voted for. Those listening to remain voted for remain, obviously.

You must know how disingenuous your argument is. You can see it if I replace Leave with Boris and Cameron with Corbyn.

 

[Grendel]

Comparing the value of individual donations above £7k:

Conservatives £18 million
Labour £5 million

The party of the people. Definitely not just there to do the bidding of the rich

How much did Unions contribute?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

By getting brexit done! Now Boris has his majority we will be able to do it without interference and delay

No that just gets a withdrawal agreement the hard stuff is when grown ups have to agree how we move forward

 

[rob9872]

Love people calling him Alexander., the same as Lady Nugee or Stephen Yaxall or whatever his name is - a little sneer, I imagine them virtually high fiving themselves as they type it. Definitely not cheap and childish at all.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

How much did Unions contribute?

I would rather be beholden to workers than millionaires but each to their own.

 

[Grendel]

Love people calling him Alexander., the same as Lady Nugee or Stephen Yaxall or whatever his name is - a little sneer, I imagine them virtually high fiving themselves as they type it. Definitely not cheap and childish at all.

Im sure they would however have referred to Lord Anthony Wedgewood Benn as Tony

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Love people calling him Alexander., the same as Lady Nugee or Stephen Yaxall or whatever his name is - a little sneer, I imagine them virtually high fiving themselves as they type it. Definitely not cheap and childish at all.

Literally that dreamer loves calling him it, its about as embarrassing and childish as it gets!