Brighton Sky Blue
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I hear what you're saying and would love to be wrong but if he carries on repeating his mistakes we can't keep arguing for him to have more time.
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I hear what you're saying and would love to be wrong but if he carries on repeating his mistakes we can't keep arguing for him to have more time.
DannyThomas_1981
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So myopic!
How about commenting on the improvements to the side since last season? Marosi, Dabo, Rose, Walsh, O'Hare, and highly likely that we'll be adding Allen, Faz and Godden to that list before the end of the season. Not to mention the progress we have seen in developing Westbrooke and Shipley.
We are a very hard team to beat, we play progressive football and we've been hit hard by key injuries. We are in a very decent position to progress from here however much you want Robins to fail!
Our transfer policy has hardly been a disaster - you win some, you lose some. This season's team is better than last season's.
DannyThomas_1981
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Different situations as you well know Grendel.
They were not sacked after having achieved promotion and then guiding and evolving the team into a play off position in the League above.
Please can you get a grip!!
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Can we expect a manager to be perfect at this level? The players are flawed... and so's the manager.
Now there are some things that are challenging, among them is getting players to implement a progressive style of play at this level. Robins himself had to be persuaded by Viveash and there were certainly teeting problems, when a straightforward 4-4-2 may well have got more immediate results.
Hell, even since his Barnsley days Robins has been known as a cautious manager, so it's hardly surprising he still is. His system isn't getting a striker functioning, but it has got defence and midfield gelling well. As for progress? The players get in the shop window enough to be sold on and finance the club's very existence. After years of freefall, we've stabilised (despite owners) and progressed (despite owners and surrounding nonsense).
League position isn't the only measuring tool. There's also system, playing staff, and general foundations. On all those measurements, it's progress under the current manager. To set an arbitrary limit of 6th or above for his survival is bonkers, in my view.
Skybluefaz
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Getting rid of Bright?
SlowerThanPlatt
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And Willis rejected a contract
Grendel
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He said we improved the squad so i assume someone is better than him now
Grendel
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But the point is the squad is improving it seems
Brighton Sky Blue
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I haven't been arguing along the lines of 'finish below here and we sack him', it's a question of (with a few exceptions) 44 games that follow the same theme. Following on from 46 similar ones the previous season. But then we throw in the inevitable slash to the budget once the year away kicks in and I don't see anything fundamentally changing.
SlowerThanPlatt
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As in where they are now or how they performed for us?
If it’s where they are now then probably not. Chaplin, Thomas, Bright, Sterling, Bayliss and probably JCH in January are in the Championship.
Grendel
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But according to DT we are constantly improving the squad under Robins
Irish Sky Blue
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Progress on last season wouldn't necessarily mean we would get promoted. If we don't get promoted then that means that Robins should go? I wouldn't agree with that. Everyone of the players in the team on Saturday was either signed by Robins or was introduced into the team by him. If you think that this team is good enough to be promoted, then who takes the credit for that?
You were pedalling the same argument two years ago before promotion from the fourth division was secured. Any fallow period (in this case, one game, the defeat by Shrewsbury, which followed the great Cup result at Ipswich), sees yourself and others casting doubt on Robins abilities.
Now considering that we all presumably want the same thing, a successful, entertaining team, it just baffles me why this keeps happening. Considering the disaster that the fire and hire policy with regard to managers since PL relegation, why do you and others think that starting on that road again will suddenly lead to success?
Robins has a plan (buy or develop players on the cheap, sell on for a profit and use some of the proceeds to improve the team). He has a definite pattern of play which suits the players and which they appear to have bought into. We have made progress year on year with Robins. We play entertaining football. We are winning a lot more than we are losing. We don't in fact lose often
Why would you get rid of the person that has brought about this transformation in our fortunes in the vague and probably forlorn hope that someone else just may do better?
Considering the state of the club and where we play, it is only Robins that has given us a glimmer of hope. Yet you and a few others try to wheedle away at this slither of positivity. I don't understand why.
Grendel
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How has he transformed - we finished 8th under Mowbray and the conditions Pressley operated in were far worse?
Irish Sky Blue
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What was it like when he took over?
Grendel
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bad - was bad when Boothroyd left - get Thorn back
Irish Sky Blue
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No comments on the other points I made?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Or Black......or Dowie..... How are Sunderland doing under their new boss? Wonder how Arsenal fans are feeling after getting Wenger sacked for only getting them into the CL all those consecutive years? They'd bite your arm off for that right now.
You can say that there are never things right at any one time. Doesn't mean what comes next will be better. Fact you refuse to even make a suggestion as to a suitable replacement if we got rid shows you don't know who could do better. And don't give me any of the "but I don't get a say in it so it's irrelevant" crap. You don't get a say in tactics, transfers, team selection, subs either and that didn't stop you at the beginning of your thread pointing out where you think MR is going wrong. Well as you don't get a say what you think is irrelevant and so it's all pointless, so why not just keep quiet? Because you've got an opinion and you'd like to share it with people on here. So have an opinion on a replacement as you're so keen for one.
Right now we're going along alright. Not perfectly but alright. Certainly better than I thought pre-season. There are times when a manager is on a massive streak of poor results, faith in him in the stands and on the pitch has gone and you have to make a change because relegation is a distinct possibility the way things are going. We're quite a way from that yet.
Irish Sky Blue
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It was awful, certainly a lot worse than when Boothroyd left. He turned around around a losing dispirited team taking only 4 games to do it. Comments on the other points I made?
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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Already it done it for MR's successor and every one after that somewhere on here.
Skybluefaz
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That's all it is
TTG
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half the fucking midfield
hill83
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Skybluefaz
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You not going to offer me the charity bet double down on that claim?
hill83
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Ah, so since you’ve used the word ‘charity’ and ‘down’ you clearly mean “down with charity.”
Why would you be like this you moron.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Except for Otis and G
covcity4life
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its an interesting one. you look at names gone and hard to say we have improved
but then on other hand marosi for burge is HUGE upgrade
our 3 cbs perform well majority of time and we havnt really missed willis too much
dabo is better thaqn sterling despite fact sterling may go on to play higher level
as for the midfield they compliment robins tactics so well i wouldnt really want to swap any of them bar perhaps o hare for bright
striker never seems to work out so thats not too different either lol
meanwhile development is a year on and likes of shipley,hyam and westbrooke better than ever
i think this seasons team beats last years
but then on other hand marosi for burge is HUGE upgrade
our 3 cbs perform well majority of time and we havnt really missed willis too much
dabo is better thaqn sterling despite fact sterling may go on to play higher level
as for the midfield they compliment robins tactics so well i wouldnt really want to swap any of them bar perhaps o hare for bright
striker never seems to work out so thats not too different either lol
meanwhile development is a year on and likes of shipley,hyam and westbrooke better than ever
i think this seasons team beats last years
pipkin73
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I actually think the team MR is building is aimed more at after being promoted with a few additions. We seem to play too much good football for this division, in the Championship i think there are less cloggers, so our style of play should be better suited, so the style of play should stand out better (but we have to get their first). Plus the players will know each others styles better. Many smaller teams who go up and stay up claim it was developing a team and style years before that led to their success
MR knows he won't get a big transfer fund so is trying to build a team that will not only get promoted but survive also. Long way around doing it but he did state he is building a club and team for the future.
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pipkin73
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At least someone does lol, we just need to chill and give him the time his 2 times here record deserves.
Hullinho87
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Haha. Exactly.
Just hedging his bet’s so the negative prediction will win out.
The likelihood of getting automatic promotion is about a 3 in 1 chance at best and 10 in 1 chance in all realism.
It’s “safer” to say we will struggle to go up than saying we will definitely go up - and then congratulating yourself on how great you are at negative predicting.
It would be like a Sheff Wed fan now saying they will struggle to win the title now and that is the managers fault if they don’t.. despite the context.
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They are in the championship, but Bright, Sterling and Bayliss have barely had a kick between them, JCH has tried and failed in the championship.
It's not like they're all tearing it up in the league above.