Wasps Again (2 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

Then stop whining cos you clearly value your other commitments and opposition to a pub two minutes from the City centre more than changing the direction of the trust.

Make sense? Or should I break out the crayons, you absolute lemon peeler?

I'm not you Hubba Bubba, I was simply pointing out they aren't very user friendly

 

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[The coventrian]

I thought they met at the squirrel?

 

[jordan210]

Again. Why are those sympathetic to Wasps (if that’s what you think the issue is) are more likely to live in Coventry?

You’re claiming the timing and location of meetings is why the (apparently) vast majority of reasonable City fans who think like you can’t go.

I’m saying that’s ridiculous.

I have not said any thing apart from I think the trust is outdated in they way it is. Your the one who keeps banging on about wasps and the trust.

there is clearly an issue with the trust otherwise there would be more members.

all I’m saying is the trust should be more open to fans who can’t make it to a meeting in a pub on a Monday night. It’s not difficult to understand

 

[shmmeee]

You asked for my “excuse” I’m pretty sure living and work arrangements would suggest this.

ultimately. The trust have 3000 alleged members. I’d say the majority do not turn up.

there possibly would be more members, however the sign up process/voting methods are antiquated and limiting.

The suggestion of online voting, video of the meetings, and Online sign up are suggestions to bring them into the 21st century and to a wider group...

however I suspect the small voting group suits their agenda

Why would it? How does that gerrymander to those that are against its current direction exactly? It doesn’t. The fact is that if people wanted to they could get involved. I seem to remember Grendel was all billy big bollocks about running for the board until he actually had to do something then he ran away with his tail between his legs.

 

[duffer]

Then stop whining cos you clearly value your other commitments and opposition to a pub two minutes from the City centre more than changing the direction of the trust.

Make sense? Or should I break out the crayons, you absolute lemon peeler?

Why are you apologising for them?Does criticism of the Trust's approach upset you for some reason? Is it too hard for you to grasp that there are other ways to find out the opinion of the members.

It's very odd, this attitude that you're not allowed to complain about the Trust if you can't get somewhere on a specific night...

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

I seem to remember Grendel was all billy big bollocks about running for the board until he actually had to do something then he ran away with his tail between his legs.

Love the way you call him out knowing you can't see his response, firing them shots

 

[shmmeee]

mic not said any thing apart from I think the trust is outdated in they way it is. Your the one who keeps banging on about wasps and the trust.

there is clearly an issue with the trust otherwise there would be more members.

Theres fucking loads of issues with the trust. The main one is that the only people who can be arsed to get involved don’t seem to represent the wider fan base or ask the right questions of the actors involved.

The way to resolve that issue is to:

a) accept its a busted flush and stop frothing about it (my chosen route)
b) get involved and change it

 

[SkyBlueZack]

Love the way you call him out knowing you can't see his response

Ironically says Grendel was giving it billy big bollocks too

 

[David O'Day]

I thought they met at the squirrel?

Even worse, shite pub with overpriced shite beer

 

[usskyblue]

Fuckinell

 

[shmmeee]

Love the way you call him out knowing you can't see his response, firing them shots

Not calling him out. Just the only example I know of anyone even attempting to do anything.

Also, classic Dom, you seem to be confused. How is me posting something he can see firing shots? He can respond, knowing I won’t see it.

You’ve really not thought this through have you?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Ironically says Grendel was giving it billy big bollocks too

Trust me

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Why would it? How does that gerrymander to those that are against its current direction exactly? It doesn’t. The fact is that if people wanted to they could get involved. I seem to remember Grendel was all billy big bollocks about running for the board until he actually had to do something then he ran away with his tail between his legs.

How many people turn up exactly? The trust has board members that have openly tried to overthrow the current ownership, met with Wasps, actively stated they want a Phoenix club.

they haven’t campaigned or otherwise advertised for new membership.

what’s left of the group is a relic of the SISU our protest that began prior to wasps. Their whole Mission is “SISU OUT” at all costs

If I remember - Grendel’s issue wasn’t that he’d be a sky blue talk rep but could be voted out by the whole of the trust. A valid fear?

The biggest issue is that they are seen and actively encouraged as the voice of the fans - it’s frustrating as they do not represent the fanbase

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

He can respond, knowing I won’t see it.

Exactly my point.... so you can't see what he says

You said i can't read.... Can you?

 

[jordan210]

Theres fucking loads of issues with the trust. The main one is that the only people who can be arsed to get involved don’t seem to represent the wider fan base or ask the right questions of the actors involved.

The way to resolve that issue is to:

a) accept its a busted flush and stop frothing about it (my chosen route)
b) get involved and change it

But according to you the only way to get involved is to be in Coventry....

 

[shmmeee]

How many people turn up exactly? The trust has board members that have openly tried to overthrow the current ownership, met with Wasps, actively stated they want a Phoenix club.

they haven’t campaigned or otherwise advertised for new membership.

what’s left of the group is a relic of the SISU our protest that began prior to wasps. Their whole Mission is “SISU OUT” at all costs

If I remember - Grendel’s issue wasn’t that he’d be a sky blue talk rep but could be voted out by the whole of the trust. A valid fear?

The biggest issue is that they are seen and actively encouraged as the voice of the fans - it’s frustrating as they do not represent the fanbase

Legally they are. There can only be one supporters trust recognised I believe.

Havung read the FB forum they probably do represent the majority of fans as the majority are horrendously misinformed.

Nothing stopping this forum setting up a group and trying to get media attention, putting out press releases etc. But they don’t want to and that’s all my point is. Bunch of keyboard warriors who want everyone else to do the hard work.

Sorry if that upsets you.

 

[shmmeee]

Exactly my point.... so you can't see what he says

You said i can't read.... Can you?

Keep going. How is that unfair on him and not me exactly?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Legally they are. There can only be one supporters trust recognised I believe.

Havung read the FB forum they probably do represent the majority of fans as the majority are horrendously misinformed.

Nothing stopping this forum setting up a group and trying to get media attention, putting out press releases etc. But they don’t want to and that’s all my point is. Bunch of keyboard warriors who want everyone else to do the hard work.

Sorry if that upsets you.

No upset caused - just healthy debate.

the problem you also have is that the local media back this position.

stuart linnell derided the indemnity clause as “posting mischief”

how is anyone supposed to get media attention when it goes against that opinion?

the trust have the position, contacts and backing from FSA it’s hard for another supporter group to go against this

 

[cc84cov]

Legally they are. There can only be one supporters trust recognised I believe.

Havung read the FB forum they probably do represent the majority of fans as the majority are horrendously misinformed.

Nothing stopping this forum setting up a group and trying to get media attention, putting out press releases etc. But they don’t want to and that’s all my point is. Bunch of keyboard warriors who want everyone else to do the hard work.

Sorry if that upsets you.

I nominate Grendel to do all our press releases

 

[Grendel]

“They” are their members. You can join. They can be you. Why is this so hard to grasp?

No that’s bollocks. The only people who get to vote are the ones who go to the pub. Also questions for the meeting are approved by the secretary

 

[shmmeee]

No upset caused - just healthy debate.

the problem you also have is that the local media back this position.

stuart linnell derided the indemnity clause as “posting mischief”

how is anyone supposed to get media attention when it goes against that opinion?

the trust have the position, contacts and backing from FSA it’s hard for another supporter group to go against this

I agree. So what do we do? We can either take over the current Trust, set up an opposing group, or go around them direct to the media. I suggested calling into CWR or Twitter bombing local media until they respond. If the Trust won’t get the answers we need who can or how can we get them ourselves?

 

[David O'Day]

I agree. So what do we do? We can either take over the current Trust, set up an opposing group, or go around them direct to the media. I suggested calling into CWR or Twitter bombing local media until they respond. If the Trust won’t get the answers we need who can or how can we get them ourselves?

Grenners says you a re a lying tip top and says

"No that’s bollocks. The only people who get to vote are the ones who go to the pub. Also questions for the meeting are approved by the secretary"

 

[shmmeee]

Grenners says you a re a lying tip top and says

"No that’s bollocks. The only people who get to vote are the ones who go to the pub. Also questions for the meeting are approved by the secretary"

Ah the pub, that famously impenetrable fortress.

 

[Nick]

Do you think CJ was born into the board? Like The Queen?

Or did he perhaps turn up, get involved, get elected?

Jesus you really are dim.

Who elected that Tim Kalns bloke?

When was the last time members were asked on the direction?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I agree. So what do we do? We can either take over the current Trust, set up an opposing group, or go around them direct to the media. I suggested calling into CWR or Twitter bombing local media until they respond. If the Trust won’t get the answers we need who can or how can we get them ourselves?

We’ll continue to call for the trust to move into the 21st century to start.

I’ve emailed Duggins, Simon Gilbert and messaged Andy Turner..

surprisingly I found Duggins and Simon Gilbert quite engaging.

I’ve now gone off the council issue, they basically have washed their hands of the situation.

Simon in my eyes is of the opinion we’ve just got to wait it out and see what happens with the complaint and whether wasps will even have to pay, but ultimately it’s a logical reaction from wasps to have the indemnity albeit a hinderance to us returning.

Andy Turner hasn’t as predicted by some here hasn’t responded.. although we got the telegraph fluff piece about the bricks.

Pete started the ball running with CWR, I think it’s important to wait to see their response before we plan the next step - they seemed to be flustered

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Keep going. How is that unfair on him and not me exactly?

Because you can't debate him, yet can call him out knowing you won't have to deal with any counter argument

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

I think one problem I have with the trust is that, they have a “we know best attitude” nobody has ever said or leaked -“this is our stance because....”

We might disagree but knowing the thought process would help

 

[David O'Day]

Ah the pub, that famously impenetrable fortress.

Like you can get in a pub

 

[Nick]

We’ll continue to call for the trust to move into the 21st century to start.

I’ve emailed Duggins, Simon Gilbert and messaged Andy Turner..

surprisingly I found Duggins and Simon Gilbert quite engaging.

I’ve now gone off the council issue, they basically have washed their hands of the situation.

Simon in my eyes is of the opinion we’ve just got to wait it out and see what happens with the complaint and whether wasps will even have to pay, but ultimately it’s a logical reaction from wasps to have the indemnity albeit a hinderance to us returning.

Andy Turner hasn’t as predicted by some here hasn’t responded.. although we got the telegraph fluff piece about the bricks.

Pete started the ball running with CWR, I think it’s important to wait to see their response before we plan the next step - they seemed to be flustered

Why is it a logical reaction for CCFC to indemnify Wasps and related parties? The logic is that the council should indemnify them as they only pay if the council are found to be in the wrong.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Why is it a logical reaction for CCFC to indemnify Wasps and related parties? The logic is that the council should indemnify them as they only pay if the council are found to be in the wrong.

I agree - i think you’ve misunderstood, I’d probably should have written it to be “it’s kind of expected that wasps would want covering”

doesn’t mean it’s right, but their initial reaction is to flex their muscles (I.e the Ricoh deal) to get indemnity

 

[Liquid Gold]

Ah the pub, that famously impenetrable fortress.

OK then, say I want to get involved with the trust. What would you suggest I do?

 

[David O'Day]

Ah the pub, that famously impenetrable fortress.

What about the Muslim city fans mate?

 

[shmmeee]

We’ll continue to call for the trust to move into the 21st century to start.

I’ve emailed Duggins, Simon Gilbert and messaged Andy Turner..

surprisingly I found Duggins and Simon Gilbert quite engaging.

I’ve now gone off the council issue, they basically have washed their hands of the situation.

Simon in my eyes is of the opinion we’ve just got to wait it out and see what happens with the complaint and whether wasps will even have to pay, but ultimately it’s a logical reaction from wasps to have the indemnity albeit a hinderance to us returning.

Andy Turner hasn’t as predicted by some here hasn’t responded.. although we got the telegraph fluff piece about the bricks.

Pete started the ball running with CWR, I think it’s important to wait to see their response before we plan the next step - they seemed to be flustered

Yeah I poked Turner on Twitter. No reply but he was defending himself about the wall story.

I like CWR cos it’s live and they can’t ignored you.

 

[shmmeee]

OK then, say I want to get involved with the trust. What would you suggest I do?

Are you free on Mondays

What about the Muslim city fans mate?

Muslims are allowed in pubs mate.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Yeah I poked Turner on Twitter. No reply but he was defending himself about the wall story.

I like CWR cos it’s live and they can’t ignored you.

Think I’m going to have to get a twitter account.

last time I had one i was in constant arguments with PSB Group..