Wasps Again (12 Viewers)

[Nick]

Then those people need to organise and make changes and not expect people who they have been insulting for years to spin on a dime and do whatever they say shouldn’t they?
Or those people need to realise they don’t need the trust because they already have a modern active platform for fans that could be used to organise a better fans voice with blackjack and hookers.
Or they need to accept they can’t be arsed with all of that and get what they are given. That’s life.

Maybe that's why they get ridiculed in the first place and they wouldn't if they weren't so shady?

 

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[duffer]

Oh no hitting me where it hurts, my gif game!

Inmade a simple point about how to change a democratic institution and you lot got triggered and shat the bed and still several pages later can’t explain why I’m wrong without resorting to insults.

Jesus.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[shmmeee]

I've spoken to supporters united about this, they said the SBT have open elections and to stand for that if I want change. As mentioned, it's over 200 miles for me.

Who’s their dad? Did you try implying they eat crayons?

 

[David O'Day]

I've spoken to supporters united about this, they said the SBT have open elections and to stand for that if I want change. As mentioned, it's over 200 miles for me.

Do you really have to do what they says. You can create a larger organisation than them and claim to represent more ccfc fans than the trust. Bowing to fossils like Supporters United isn't the way to go.

 

[duffer]

I don’t think you can. I’d leave. I did leave.

Just out of interest, how? Did they acknowledge your contact? Did you get your pound back?

 

[Nick]

Who’s their dad? Did you try implying they eat crayons?

Maybe their dad isnt / wasn't heavily involved with the organisation being ridiculed while they try to defend it so much they look silly?

 

[David O'Day]

Maybe their dad isnt / wasn't heavily involved with the organisation being ridiculed while they try to defend it so much they look silly?

Who is Shmmeee's dad?

 

[Grendel]

I’m going to make a serious point here.

I think genuinely the moderators should perhaps enforce a break from here for shmmeee his posting has become very erratic and contradictory over the last couple of weeks - he can’t handle the feedback and seems to be bordering on something in my view.

 

[shmmeee]

Just out of interest, how? Did they acknowledge your contact? Did you get your pound back?

Emailed them I think. Didn’t get my pound back.

Push comes to shove, do a GDPR request to delete your info.

 

[Liquid Gold]

Who’s their dad? Did you try implying they eat crayons?

I think you're confusing me with someone else.

 

[shmmeee]

Maybe their dad isnt / wasn't heavily involved with the organisation being ridiculed while they try to defend it so much they look silly?

Again. Please post where I have defended the Trust and not just criticised your tactics

 

[shmmeee]

I think you're confusing me with someone else.

Just poking fun.

 

[David O'Day]

I agree with Grendal, Shmmeee is being very eratic

 

[shmmeee]

I agree with Grendal, Shmmeee is being very eratic

Me: one point throughout the entire thread

You: Muslims! Working hours! Your family! Some bloke on the board! Crayon eater! DHS jockey!

Also you: you are so eratic (I’m guessing you meant erratic, but I am just a simple crayon eater so you probably know best)

 

[Ricketts]

I agree with Grendal, Shmmeee is being very erotic

Fixed that for you.

 

[Nick]

Again. Please post where I have defended the Trust and not just criticised your tactics

Erm, most of your posts in this thread. They are weirdly desperate.

My tactics? You know what I have offered to help the Trust with then? Seemingly you have no idea, funny really that it happens, it does when people mention the council too.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

2bf @shmmeee isnt defending the trust - he’s basically said try and get on board or stop moaning.

Whilst I get his point, I don’t agree it’s that simple. It’s not as proven by nicks offer to help

He’s said multiple times they’re not fit for purpose.

 

[shmmeee]

Fixed that for you.

 

[shmmeee]

Erm, most of your posts in this thread. They are weirdly desperate.

My tactics? You know what I have offered to help the Trust with then? Seemingly you have no idea, funny really that it happens, it does when people mention the council too.

If it’s most of my posts you’ll have no trouble posting it then.

 

[Nick]

2bf @shmmeee isnt defending the trust - he’s basically said try and get on board or stop moaning.

Whilst I get his point, I don’t agree it’s that simple. It’s not as proven by nicks offer to help

He’s said multiple times they’re not fit for purpose.

The point is, people have offered to get on board and help.

They have no interest in communicating with their members, why's that?

Why won't Neil or CJ answer basic questions about what they said to Wasps or the EFL on behalf of the Trust members? Why won't anybody mention the whole Hoffman stuff with Wasps where the Trust were also involved?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

The point is, people have offered to get on board and help.

They have no interest in communicating with their members, why's that?

Why won't Neil or CJ answer basic questions about what they said to Wasps or the EFL on behalf of the Trust members?

I agree. Shmeees view in my eyes is too simplistic.

But he’s effectively give up on the trust for the same reasons you’re saying.

we’ve got to continue the CWR offensive. And whoever tagged Stephen Vaughan in Neils comments about the wall was a good idea.

We need to forceably engage the trust in this. I get the feeling the Telegraph is starting to sweat on its relationship with wasps. They’re not critical but that wall article wouldn’t have made the telegraph 6 months ago

 

[Nick]

I agree. Shmeees view in my eyes is too simplistic.

But he’s effectively give up on the trust for the same reasons you’re saying.

we’ve got to continue the CWR offensive. And whoever tagged Stephen Vaughan in Neils comments about the wall was a good idea.

We need to forceably engage the trust in this. I get the feeling the Telegraph is starting to sweat on its relationship with wasps. They’re not critical but that wall article wouldn’t have made the telegraph 6 months ago

It's all well and good giving up on the Trust but they will still be rolled out misleading and doing PR for other parties like they did the other week.

It wasn't really an article about the wall, it was a copy and paste of his tweet and left at that.

 

[David O'Day]

Me: one point throughout the entire thread

You: Muslims! Working hours! Your family! Some bloke on the board! Crayon eater! DHS jockey!

Also you: you are so eratic (I’m guessing you meant erratic, but I am just a simple crayon eater so you probably know best)

That's not how it went though is it. Get help mate you are delusional

 

[shmmeee]

The point is, people have offered to get on board and help.

They have no interest in communicating with their members, why's that?

Why won't Neil or CJ answer basic questions about what they said to Wasps or the EFL on behalf of the Trust members? Why won't anybody mention the whole Hoffman stuff with Wasps where the Trust were also involved?

Not “on board” on THE board. I genuinely thought you guys were going to do it until you bottled it at the last minute. Offering the existing people who are not doing what you want web design help isn’t trying to change the direction of the Trust.

“They” are the membership. If there’s a majority who think like you you should be able to organise a campaign to change the Trust from within. If there’s not then you should be able to leave and organise your own group. Trust status literally only matters legally when it comes to ownership issues and being part of SD as far as I know. If all you want is a voice in the media, you have the power.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

It's all well and good giving up on the Trust but they will still be rolled out misleading and doing PR for other parties like they did the other week.

It wasn't really an article about the wall, it was a copy and paste of his tweet and left at that.

Yeah, that’s where the disagreements come in. It’s their contacts I’ve emailed FSA for complaints procedure but received nothing.

the copy and paste tweet section is a start - like I said, wouldn’t have been in the paper 6 months ago

 

[shmmeee]

That's not how it went though is it. Get help mate you are delusional

Please post where I have posted anything other than saying the Trust is shit, either change it or replace it or suck it up and accept you can’t be arsed.

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

Not “on board” on THE board. I genuinely thought you guys were going to do it until you bottled it at the last minute. Offering the existing people who are not doing what you want web design help isn’t trying to change the direction of the Trust.

“They” are the membership. If there’s a majority who think like you you should be able to organise a campaign to change the Trust from within. If there’s not then you should be able to leave and organise your own group. Trust status literally only matters legally when it comes to ownership issues and being part of SD as far as I know. If all you want is a voice in the media, you have the power.

Nick doesn’t have the power though - if sky blues talk ever got into the media, CWR will be first to rubbish it and the trust will be wheeled out to say it’s a load of bollocks from extreme Coventry fans with links to SISU

 

[shmmeee]

It's all well and good giving up on the Trust but they will still be rolled out misleading and doing PR for other parties like they did the other week.

It wasn't really an article about the wall, it was a copy and paste of his tweet and left at that.

Because they’re the only game in town and they’ve become known since the Golden Share bollocks when they actually had some relevance. I’ve seen coverage and quotes from other groups so it’s clearly possible.

What have you done to get an opposing view on the media?

 

[shmmeee]

Nick doesn’t have the power though - if sky blues talk ever got into the media, CWR will be first to rubbish it and the trust will be wheeled out to say it’s a load of bollocks from extreme Coventry fans with links to SISU

When has that happened? Or are you just making excuses as to why we shouldn’t even try?

 

[Nick]

Not “on board” on THE board. I genuinely thought you guys were going to do it until you bottled it at the last minute. Offering the existing people who are not doing what you want web design help isn’t trying to change the direction of the Trust.

“They” are the membership. If there’s a majority who think like you you should be able to organise a campaign to change the Trust from within. If there’s not then you should be able to leave and organise your own group. Trust status literally only matters legally when it comes to ownership issues and being part of SD as far as I know. If all you want is a voice in the media, you have the power.

What have I bottled, exactly? Here you are making more shit up.

That's the mistake they are making, those couple of individuals and Lionel Bird and the other string pullers aren't the membership they speak on behalf of.

Again, which members voted for Tim Kalns to be on the board?

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

When has that happened? Or are you just making excuses as to why we shouldn’t even try?

You only have to look at the wasps protest - the sky blues trust did a last minute announcement of it before immediately distancing themselves from it.

they effectively said it’s a load of crap, but it’s pro CCFC so we’ve been pressured to announce it

but yeah - 2bf it’s worth a try. It’s already started. Pete in the radio

 

[HuckerbyDublinWhelan]

What have I bottled, exactly? Here you are making more shit up.

That's the mistake they are making, those couple of individuals and Lionel Bird and the other string pullers aren't the membership they speak on behalf of.

Again, which members voted for Tim Kalns to be on the board?

Lionel Bird is off his rocker. I spoke to him a few times - he’s just bitter he lost his share of the club

 

[Nick]

Because they’re the only game in town and they’ve become known since the Golden Share bollocks when they actually had some relevance. I’ve seen coverage and quotes from other groups so it’s clearly possible.

What have you done to get an opposing view on the media?

Erm, they were relevant then because they were working with ACL and Haskell.

They have no interest in listening to the members they claim to represent.

 

[Grendel]

Nick doesn’t have the power though - if sky blues talk ever got into the media, CWR will be first to rubbish it and the trust will be wheeled out to say it’s a load of bollocks from extreme Coventry fans with links to SISU

Correct but you are posing this to him as if he’s a rational human being

 

[shmmeee]

What have I bottled, exactly? Here you are making more shit up.

That's the mistake they are making, those couple of individuals and Lionel Bird and the other string pullers aren't the membership they speak on behalf of.

Again, which members voted for Tim Kalns to be on the board?

Again. I have no fucking clue who Tim Kalns is.

Oh God I forgot you can’t understand nuance. By you I didn’t literally mean you I meant the collective of SBT posters who whine about the Trust at every opportunity but refuse to do anything to change or nullify them.