clint van damme
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so has Robins.
Though I'm only interested in what he's done for us and he's a great fit for our club but if you're using other managerial positions as a measure then he's hardly had a stella career.
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so has Robins.
Though I'm only interested in what he's done for us and he's a great fit for our club but if you're using other managerial positions as a measure then he's hardly had a stella career.
There’s no issue. One poster is saying Pressley was backed as much as Robins which is incorrect. Glad you agree with me!
Grendel
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his reasoning as to why is nonsense though
Grendel
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No he paid £125,000 as a loan arrangement which was similar to Jones and Chaplin
Ring Of Steel
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Pressley has failed everywhere and nobody would back him as his decision making on players was poor. Robins did well at Rotheram, Barnsley, well in his first spell with us, failed at Huddersfield & Scunthorpe and is now a gem of a manager with us again. In the most difficult circumstances any manager has faced. Thems the facts, folks
Ring Of Steel
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Robins didn't fail everywhere at all- this is just more nonsense.
Grendel
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nope the comment regarding difficult circumstances is drivel
clint van damme
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how is it, he never won anything or gained a promotion, same as Pressley.
Grendel
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His record is bang average and has league one journeyman manager every else other than Rotherham where the circumstances were similar to here ironically
Grendel
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His overall record is no different to Russell Slade ironically he just seems to do well here
Ring Of Steel
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When he joined Rotherham at the end of Feb they were 13 points away from safety, Robins turned that around completely, then the next two seasons they were in the promotion places all the time right to the end when they fell out- and that was with a 17 point deduction.
When he went to Barnsley in September they were rock bottom, he immediately went on an 8 game unbeaten run and they were well clear even before xmas. Then he fell out with the board.Then he came to us and gave the whole club a huge shot in the arm. Then failed at Huddersfield and Scunthorpe. Winning record= 39% at higher level clubs.
And Stephen 'Mourinho' Pressley? Hearts- lost every game, Falkirk- relegated them, us- was in process of relegating us & sacked, Fleetwood- lasted 10 months, Pafos- 9mths sacked, Carlisle- lasted 10 months & sacked. Winning record= 36% at lower level clubs.
I asked if you could come up with a stat that does not show Mark Robins as our third best ever manager if he takes us up- nobody can do it, and most seem to be obsessed with belittling what he is doing & hyping up our previous failed managers.
Ring Of Steel
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You think? Perhaps you should look that up instead of waxing lyrical about previous failed managers and you will find that Russell Slade's record is significantly inferior to that of Mark Robins. Or is there some other criteria apart from winning football matches that you're taking into account- taste in baseball caps, how "nice" he is etc.
Grendel
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Who do you think is number 1 on the list?
clint van damme
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You're talking rubbish, "most seem obsessed with belittling what he is doing". Why be such a drama queen?!
No they don't, 2 or 3 tops.
And just because Pressley has failed in all his other managerial appointments doesn't mean Robins has been successful. His career away from us has been average at best and it was you who introduced other appointments as a measure.
Like I say, I don't care what he did elsewhere, I'm only interested in what he's doing with us and am more than happy.
Grendel
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They roughly average around 1.35 points per game throughout their managerial careers
Ring Of Steel
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You mean our best ever manager?
If so then... I'd have to go with Hill, because of the way he transformed the club from top to bottom. The things off the pitch as well I mean, the innovations & the exposure he brought to the club. I wasn't around for Harry Storer obviously, but had the war not intervened then he would have taken us up to the top division 30 years before we did. He called us "my club" and Brian Clough said he was his inspiration- thats a pretty good recommendation. Sillett was not a good buyer of players but he inherited a talented bunch and utterly reinvented them & the very image of what we were, and 86/87 alone would be enough, but in his whole time we were never in danger of being relegated (you could argue it was heading that way when he left, mind) and with a bit more of a winning mentality he could have taken us to the top 3 sides in the country, but we had a habit of beating anyone then fading badly towards the end of the season, he never quite changed the mentality to constant winners. I often used to wonder what would have happened with Sillett as manager and Gould as 'talent spotter', thet would have been powerful but they famously didn't get on at all. Jimmy Hill didn't accept anything apart from winning every match (albeit we never saw him in the top division), so gets my vote, then Sillett. Harry Storer- he has to be up there for the reasons above and had WW2 not happened its very likely he'd be seen more as the legend he was. Gould- hard one, incredible team builder but a bit... nuts, and Gordon Milne has to get a mention.
I'd say:
1. Jimmy Hill
2. John Sillett
3. Harry Storer
4. Gordon Milne
5. Gordon Strachan (I know, I know- but until we sold Whelan, McAllister & Keane in one go they were truly exciting times)
And Robins? If he took us up then he has to go crashing right into the top 3.
You know who, but controversially I don’t think John Sillett is number 2, might manage 5th or 6th
Ring Of Steel
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"His career away from us has been average at best and it was you who introduced other appointments as a measure"
errr.. how else do you judge someone's career apart from looking at where they've worked in their career?
Ring Of Steel
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I see what you mean, and its arguable. He was possibly the best man manager we ever had I'd say.
Grendel
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That’s because you have these idiotic theory that George Curtis had some involvement in the management of the club which is not supported by anyone who was there at the time - he was selling tickets in the ticket office before he sat alongside Sillett
Skyblueweeman
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I don't think it's relevant whether Robins has had more backing than other managers we've had to be honest.
Even if he has (and I can see arguments both sides), you still need to be good at using the money effectively. We've had managers who've had access to money previously and not done well. You can then look at the likes of Everton...spending circa £100m last season and going backwards. How much have MUFC spent in the last x amount of seasons and gone relatively backwards.
Money doesn't always equal success. It would still baffle me though if some were still questionning how good a manager MR is for us. Compared to almost every manager in the past 30 years, he's arguably been the best in terms of what he's done for the club on the pitch, some of the football we've played and his win %. The fact that it's a nice distraction to all that's going off the pitch, is also a feather in his cap.
Even if he has (and I can see arguments both sides), you still need to be good at using the money effectively. We've had managers who've had access to money previously and not done well. You can then look at the likes of Everton...spending circa £100m last season and going backwards. How much have MUFC spent in the last x amount of seasons and gone relatively backwards.
Money doesn't always equal success. It would still baffle me though if some were still questionning how good a manager MR is for us. Compared to almost every manager in the past 30 years, he's arguably been the best in terms of what he's done for the club on the pitch, some of the football we've played and his win %. The fact that it's a nice distraction to all that's going off the pitch, is also a feather in his cap.
Ring Of Steel
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This is true although I wouldn't be calling people idiots. Curtis had no involvement in the team. But I do accept that Sillett wasn't the best at team building.
Ring Of Steel
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you could also argue he had a 100% record.
SlowerThanPlatt
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You said Bournemouth were an example of good ownership earlier and one we should aspire to.
Their wage budget in the Championship was £30m and posted losses of over £43m - our budget is currently 10% of that
Grendel
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Didn’t he manage the first 4 games?
Grendel
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They were found guilty of FFP rules weren’t they?
Ring Of Steel
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No it was Cantwell with Hill in a 'consultancy' role.
SlowerThanPlatt
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Yes this is what Magwitch/rupert_bear wants us to apsire to be
I would say Bournemouth haven’t invested the money very well and nothing for long term gain - academy still the same category, no new ground and no new training ground
Grendel
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Magwitch/Rupertbear/Eleanor Rigby for complete accuracy
clint van damme
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the argument was concentrating on their respective time with City for a few pages until you opened it out by mentioning Pressleys time elsewhere. I merely pointed out that if you're going to do that then you need to look at Robins career elsewhere which despite what you say isn't great.
You've given extenuating circumstances for why Robins failed at other clubs but have failed to give Pressley the same courtesy. Yes, he got Falkirk relegated, but he had to massively reduce the wage bill and play are large number of kids, what do you think attracted our owners to him as a candidate? You also forget to mention what he contended with at his time with us, the move away and the points deduction, (though strangely you mention the points deduction Robins had to deal with).
Robins has not had a good managerial career apart from his time at us, which again, is all I care about, but you seem obsessed with trying to dress up his very average record elsewhere for some bizarre reason.
ccfc92
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If they get relegated, they wouldn't need a new stadium imo.
Most people here only "support" them alongside supporting Man U, Arsenal, Liverpool etc.
Grendel
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Excellent points raised here
Pressley was appointed because of his work at Falkirk and was considered the ideal man at the club based on his record there
No I don’t, but George was a part of a successful duo which wasn’t quite the same when it split. Not getting into great debate about it but Sill a motivator yes but pants in the transfer market, how many strikers did he sign ? When it comes to managing Dave Sexton for example never gets a mention, boring yes but had to work most of his time with fledglings fresh out of the youth team due to no money and a number of those youngsters went onto bigger and better things sadly not here.
I don't really care how much he has spent , or how much his predecessors didn't spend.
The fact is that he has us challenging for a title, while playing great football, having already got us one promotion (and a minor cup).
He's doing a brilliant job, better than any manager in my lifetime.
How's that taxi getting on?
The fact is that he has us challenging for a title, while playing great football, having already got us one promotion (and a minor cup).
He's doing a brilliant job, better than any manager in my lifetime.
How's that taxi getting on?