BBC article about Saturday's game (5 Viewers)

[Nick]

Personally I think it's disgraceful trying to associate somebody's job with an opinion. I want no part of it.

It isn't about the opinion, it's about voicing that opinion.

 

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[usskyblue]

I DM’d the BBC journalist, explained the indemnity and sent him our statement

Edit to add: I did not discredit the Trust or any individual within it.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I receive payments into my personal bank account from a local council...

So do countless others for that matter. It's disingenuous to associate role with POV. It's also dangerous to start that, as it's all a bit McCarthyist.

You're wasting your time on here talking about McCarthyism, from what I can see most people will just say they preferred Ringo & Lennon anyway.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Yet would you be on the board of an organisation that slated them?

I can understand perfectly why somebody wouldn't want to slate them, it's human nature.

Imagine if I had a business that had a good bank account because of SISU for example, what would the reaction be?

I would have no issue slating the company that gave me money if I thought they were making huge mistakes, you can't make assumptions like that about everyone.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Its about defying expectations I guess. If people assume we are a bunch of angry trolls on the internet then we show we are reasonable and focused. The more conjecture we introduce and the wider we cast out net in terms of targets the less any individual point is taken seriously.

You are a smart guy.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

The photo in the report of the 'pop up shop' is from when were at 'home' at the Ricoh. They even took over the club shop there.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The photo in the report of the 'pop up shop' is from when were at 'home' at the Ricoh. They even took over the club shop there.

Its pathetic journalism and I am quite frankly embarrassed to be associated with the Trust in any way- are they blind, stupid or just loving all the attention?

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

Oh dear, here goes Shmmeee on the defensive again regarding the council

His dads got hold of the laptop again I think. Either than or he's got a split personality.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

His dads got hold of the laptop again I think. Either than or he's got a split personality.

He’s right though. I’m happy to expand and guess and suggest on here what might be the case but when I email the bbc I need to state what I know clearly and stick to the facts. They should ask the parties the why

 

[theferret]

Lots of support from other clubs in the comments section and few clarifications about the trust and the real truth.

People also want to see this game on TV. Bit perplexed myself that it isn't on TV but nonetheless will we will make our real voices heard!

I notice the comments on the article have taken a bit of a turn. Call me cynical, but some of the language used is very similar to that used by the usual suspects on twitter.

 

[Nick]

I would have no issue slating the company that gave me money if I thought they were making huge mistakes, you can't make assumptions like that about everyone.

I agree, not everybody is the same and some may well do that.

The assumption is based on what's happened so far.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

His dads got hold of the laptop again I think. Either than or he's got a split personality.

If, as I think he is he is saying, we need to present a cohesive argument & communicate it logically, one issue at a time- as opposed to just going around slating everyone all at once thus appearing to be a rabble of insurgents- then I think he is bang on the money.

We see this everywhere, even in politics- if you want to dilute a message then just swamp the place in conflicting angry complaints, that way nobody listens to any of it.

 

[Grendel]

He’s right though. I’m happy to expand and guess and suggest on here what might be the case but when I email the bbc I need to state what I know clearly and stick to the facts. They should ask the parties the why

Only if it’s interesting - The Trust haven’t stuck to any facts and they get the story

 

[Nick]

The comments really show just how much people don't know about our situation.

 

[Nick]

Surely the Trust should be reading all this and taking it on board? The fact that after years and years, they just ignore it.

 

[Grendel]

If, as I think he is he is saying, we need to present a cohesive argument & communicate it logically, one issue at a time- as opposed to just going around slating everyone all at once thus appearing to be a rabble of insurgents- then I think he is bang on the money.

We see this everywhere, even in politics- if you want to dilute a message then just swamp the place in conflicting angry complaints, that way nobody listens to any of it.

This is the article I know for a fact got wasps hierarchy rattled. You need to appeal to emotions - even the word indemnity sounds dull
Stung again — spare a thought for homeless Coventry City as Wasps row rumbles on

 

[Nick]

It's just delusion. I can't figure it out.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Only if it’s interesting - The Trust haven’t stuck to any facts and they get the story

Thats down to the communication.

Rugby clubs are a hot topic right now with Saracens, there has never been a better time to show the reality of what Wasps are doing, while the national sporting audience has the thought in their heads "oh look, the best rugby team is dodgy, I wonder what other teams are up to no good"- but no, not a single word on it.

 

[Nick]

Thats down to the communication.

Rugby clubs are a hot topic right now with Saracens, there has never been a better time to show the reality of what Wasps are doing, while the national sporting audience has the thought in their heads "oh look, the best rugby team is dodgy, I wonder what other teams are up to no good"- but no, not a single word on it.

I agree, there is also the investigation into their accounts ongoing.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

If, as I think he is he is saying, we need to present a cohesive argument & communicate it logically, one issue at a time- as opposed to just going around slating everyone all at once thus appearing to be a rabble of insurgents- then I think he is bang on the money.




We also need to be careful not to be seen in the same was as the trust with their one enemy line. Then we become just another protest group.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The botton line here is that The Trust are doing Wasps' job for them, ie keep all coverage well away from the indemnity. And I agree with Grendel- there was a great piece waiting to be used here involving Wasps asking us to pay for their own issues, and avoiding legal lingo to get it into the perceptions of the wider audience, but we decided to invent stories about our own fans fighting with each other. Absolutely pathetic.

 

[eastwoodsdustman]

The botton line here is that The Trust are doing Wasps' job for them, ie keep all coverage well away from the indemnity. And I agree with Grendel- there was a great piece waiting to be used here involving Wasps asking us to pay for their own issues, and avoiding legal lingo to get it into the perceptions of the wider audience, but we decided to invent stories about our own fans fighting with each other. Absolutely pathetic.

Less of the we Rob. The trust represent themselves not us. You're correct though, any fans group with a voice and valid point would have been all over this. The trust just bend over compliantly and twist the story to suit there agenda. The sooner that we can get a more representative groups voice heard instead the better.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Less of the we Rob. The trust represent themselves not us. You're correct though, any fans group with a voice and valid point would have been all over this. The trust just bend over compliantly and twist the story to suit there agenda. The sooner that we can get a more representative groups voice heard instead the better.

Point taken- I know, just the terminology thats all.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Only if it’s interesting - The Trust haven’t stuck to any facts and they get the story

That’s true too

 

[PurpleBin]

I receive payments into my personal bank account from a local council...

So do countless others for that matter. It's disingenuous to associate role with POV. It's also dangerous to start that, as it's all a bit McCarthyist.

Sorry, I was out of the loop on it and the question I asked was because it didn't seem to have context. As if CJ was receiving random payments.

 

[chiefdave]

Surely the Trust should be reading all this and taking it on board? The fact that after years and years, they just ignore it.

Pretty much everything you see or hear, no matter if it’s here, Facebook, Twitter or speaking to people at games, is the same. The indemnity is the issue that needs dealing with first and the trust aren’t representative of the fans.

Yet somehow the trust have convinced themselves it’s just a handful of people on here who disagree with them and everyone else is onboard.

Reality is the fan base is the most united it’s been in a long time and the ones who are out of step with that are the trust.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

The botton line here is that The Trust are doing Wasps' job for them, ie keep all coverage well away from the indemnity. And I agree with Grendel- there was a great piece waiting to be used here involving Wasps asking us to pay for their own issues, and avoiding legal lingo to get it into the perceptions of the wider audience, but we decided to invent stories about our own fans fighting with each other. Absolutely pathetic.

We tried to keep balance in ours but I’m sort of regretting the trust sentence

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Pretty much everything you see or hear, no matter if it’s here, Facebook, Twitter or speaking to people at games, is the same. The indemnity is the issue that needs dealing with first and the trust aren’t representative of the fans.

Yet somehow the trust have convinced themselves it’s just a handful of people on here who disagree with them and everyone else is onboard.

Reality is the fan base is the most united it’s been in a long time and the ones who are out of step with that are the trust.

I totally agree with that chiefdave we are much more united, we really are!

 

[Nick]

Pretty much everything you see or hear, no matter if it’s here, Facebook, Twitter or speaking to people at games, is the same. The indemnity is the issue that needs dealing with first and the trust aren’t representative of the fans.

Yet somehow the trust have convinced themselves it’s just a handful of people on here who disagree with them and everyone else is onboard.

Reality is the fan base is the most united it’s been in a long time and the ones who are out of step with that are the trust.

I can't remember people being so united and agreeing on something. Even on social media people seem to be agreed about it.

However you have CJ still thinking it's balanced? The fact that nothing seems to exist outside of the handful of people is strange.

 

[Grendel]

We tried to keep balance in ours but I’m sort of regretting the trust sentence

Why?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

I DM’d the BBC journalist, explained the indemnity and sent him our statement

Edit to add: I did not discredit the Trust or any individual within it.

Heard anything?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Why?

Easy victim status and phil uptons focus on it and I don’t like not being liked I suppose

 

[Nick]

Easy victim status and phil uptons focus on it and I don’t like not being liked I suppose

Oh it wasn't you Pete, you handled it really well.

Phil Upton would have done that on purpose. You could tell it was all he was bothered about.

 

[Grendel]

Easy victim status and phil uptons focus on it and I don’t like not being liked I suppose

The trust have one objective - they back Wasps as they want the club to return with Hoffman and Elliot in charge. That’s it,

It is always going to be a conflict of interests and they have the ear of most of the local media

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Oh it wasn't you Pete, you handled it really well.

Phil Upton would have done that on purpose. You could tell it was all he was bothered about.

Oh no I get that it’s just reflecting on it. I’m pleased we were able to refute it