SlowerThanPlatt
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I am not ready for PSB Group’s hysteria and how if we kept him he’d be worth £50m next season and the Ballon d’Or winner
Robins post match/mcallum sale (9 Viewers)
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Ring Of Steel
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A question. When we talk about Martin Warren, are we referring to the artist formerly known as coventrycityfan on gmk, the guy that posted pictures of the Ricoh on opening day and managed to get blurry shots of the toilet doors, and the guy who took tried to organise a mass leaflet drop about protests, only for Otis to be the only one who showed up?
BornSlippySkyBlue
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wtf are you on about m8?
They are facts but I’m not sure they prove what you think they do. He’s picked McCallum so far, yes. Was that partly to facilitate this move? We will never know, but you can’t categorically say he’s picked him because he’s the absolute best player every week.
I’m not one for conspiracy theories but it is interesting how McCallum has played constantly whilst there were lots of simultaneous stories in the press / social media about Liverpool and PSG(!) etc looking at him.
Most saleable (and expendable given the superb replacement we already have) asset at the club. Gets played every week (when we desperately need money from player sales) whilst appearing in the press on a regular basis as interesting other clubs. And then gets sold (tbc)...
There are reasons why MR might have picked him every week other than simply McCallum > Mason.
Regarding loan vs development players, obviously there is space for both to get games at appropriate times, and over a season with cup games and injuries you need more than one player for each position, I guess what I don’t particularly want to see is a loaned back McCallum playing the same proportion of games he has so far at the expense of Mason, when we’ve got our own player who is bloody good and just needs to have play league football (so that he’s as good as possible next season when / if he’s main man).
usskyblue
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Jesus H Christ
BornSlippySkyBlue
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Most smartarse comment gets the captain’s armband?
I’m saying that there is a bigger picture, this includes but is not limited to such things as form, attitude, ability, development needs, saleability and no, not their fucking haircut.
I’m probably not explaining myself very well because I can’t believe it’s that controversial an opinion that I seem to be fighting on multiple fronts.
I think Mason should get priority in the scenario that McCallum comes back on loan (unless there’s a specific aspect of that game that particularly calls for McCallum’s specific abilities). I don’t think that McCallum should be stuck on the bench full time, I just think Mason should now take priority from a development perspective. That is all.
BornSlippySkyBlue
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Nice edit m8
BornSlippySkyBlue
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From watching them both play live this season how much better would you say McCallum is than Mason?
Ring Of Steel
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Did robins play McAllum to facilitate this move? That would be no, he played him in order to have his strongest team. Are you saying he plays Shipley in order to try and sell him as well? Ridiculous assertion. I can say that he played him because he wanted the strongest team, yes I can say that. Why is it ‘interesting’ that he played while there was interest in him? Are you saying Robins should have dropped him?? Top to bottom craziness. As for the rest of it, I cannot get to grips with why you would not want to play your best team just because we don’t own them- or are you suggesting we drop Walsh as well, we don’t own him either?
you are massively overcomplicating and overthinking something that is really simple.
he played McAllum as he sees him as our best left back.
He proved that he is our best left back and attracted interest.
If he comes back on loan then he’ll still be our best left back and he’ll play again.
We are trying to go up, not play mind games & hatch secret plots to sell players. Bonkers stuff.
Ring Of Steel
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What the f*ck has that got to do with it? Is he better or isn’t he?
derbyskyblue
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ok, just came in from pub quiz, i lost, but i digress has he gone or not ?
Ring Of Steel
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We agree on one thing, you are not explaining yourself well at all. You are saying that there was a masterplan all along at selling McAllum, as If the same rules do not apply to any player on earth- play well you’ll get offers. Why is McAllum a special case?
you focus on ‘developing players’ and getting all loved up bringing players through if you like, I’m perfectly happy with Robins selecting the best team possible and being as ruthless as is necessary in order to try and secure promotion.
BornSlippySkyBlue
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I asked first. Anyway, as fun as this I’m done being splayed for thinking Mason should play. Goodnight.
usskyblue
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This is getting strange.
What difference does it matter how many times I’ve seen Mason and McCallum play live ?
It matters to Mark Robins. It’s his job to play the best team to achieve the best results. And Mason hasn’t had a sniff because Mark Robins thinks McCallum is better.
Is there a reason you’ve left your fucking senses?
vow
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Not confirmed officially.....yet.
Ring Of Steel
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Is it really that much of a big deal? From what I’ve seen in here Mason is a world beater and McAllum was only playing as part of an intricate web of interconnected plots to get his value up so we could sell him, he shouldn’t be in the team if he’s loaned back, and we apparently get £3m anyway- sounds like no biggie to me
pipkin73
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But Dele Alli was miles ahead of his replacement, in this case Mcallum is not, Mason is a very good replacement and we own him.
Any improvement he may make by playing we benefit from next season rather that Mcallum improving for Norwich etc....
Once he is gone we have to look after our own and that will then be Mason.
If Mason was crap then i would say play Mcallum all day but he is not, people were saying Player of the season till his injury and Mcallum took his place.
Ring Of Steel
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why does it matter about Norwich benefiting next season if McAllum plays brilliantly and we get promoted? Do you have a grudge against Norwich City or something?
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pipkin73
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No i see them as two very good players for our level,
if Mason is good enough to play then he should as our club will benefit from his game time, but (if Macallum is needed for a certain game then he should play if we have loaned him back). Would just prefer to play a future cov player if poss if it does not weaken us rather than a loan player. Nothing against Macallum but once he has gone we need our own players to step up (if only to be the next one sold next season). If we get promoted do you want Macallum with experiance for Norwich or Mason for us? I can't really say that Masons performances so far this season would stop us getting promoted.
pipkin73
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I stuck up for you a day or two ago as people never read your messages and bitched at you. You have just done the same, read the whole Dele Alli debate, that is what my reply was based on.
pipkin73
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Because once the season is over we hope to be promoted and we need our number 1 LB to have played games and be developing from League One to Championship level.
If McCallum plays all the games (they are about the same (ish) level now) then Mason will be a season behind in his development.
Like i said, if he comes back great, but only in games where Mason can't play as seen as a weaker player or injured, the rest of the time Mason as when (if) we go up we need him up to standard as much as poss not a Norwich player who is not much better just younger and got potential thus the bid.
usskyblue
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I don’t know what’s going on with this particular subject but people are way over complicating things.
It makes perfect sense that Robins would pick the best team to get the best possible result. Mason didn’t make the team and no matter what everyone’s opinion is, they have to get over it. If McCallum is sold and comes back on loan, why would it change Robins’ perception of the player? If he thinks McCallum is better, he will pick him. Any reason beyond this is nothing short of a bizarre conspiracy theory. This isn’t an agenda against Mason, this is the cold hard reality of sport as a business. A manager will play what he thinks is the strongest team on any given day.
There seems to be a swell of affection for Mason based on some good performances earlier in the season but to speculate that Robins (or the club) would risk losing games to field a player solely to put him on the market, and not because he was the best player at that position is farcical.
pipkin73
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There seems to be a swell of affection for Mason based on some good performances earlier in the season but to speculate that Robins (or the club) would risk losing games to field a player solely to put him on the market, and not because he was the best player at that position is farcical.
No one is saying that, what we are saying is that the 2 players are almost as good as each other. That being the case don't you think Mason should play so he has more experience for the Championship with US, rather than Sam McCallum when he will be with Norwich (for example) against us.
Once we have the money for him, we need to develop the next player to be sold.
usskyblue
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When the season is over we will have multiple ‘in's and outs’. We are embroiled in a scramble for promotion, we have to play the strongest team available now...given changes will happen down the road, why would we be thinking about next season while we need to negotiate our next game?
pipkin73
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Because if we go up or not we won't have a lot of money to spend, as a result we have to be thinking NOW about next season not next season. Mason is good enough to go up with us so we need him to get game time. easy really.
pipkin73
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Enough is enough, i know nothing about twatter and i only just signed up to bitch at their CEO, his post has been withdrawn or i'm blocked. Anyway, i wanted to give himn crap but don't know how. On the plus side i must have been on here before as i have 10 followers lol
usskyblue
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Respectfully disagree. Football is about constant change. We have to deal in the now and adjust to the changes as they come.
Wyken Sky Blue
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I'm not being funny but....
Has McCallum actually gone yet? We are talking as if he has been sold but until it actually happens he's still a CCFC player.
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Has McCallum actually gone yet? We are talking as if he has been sold but until it actually happens he's still a CCFC player.
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Its called the jack grimmer effect. Idolised and from there refusal to accept anyone is better.
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That's the one...
Kubrick
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A win win for us tomorrow. Charlton will loan him back for the season, but he’ll be benched in favour of a Bristol reserve who needs development.
Skybluefaz
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We're very short on time but I do hope Robins manages to do something with the money before the end of the day. Striker with a bit of an x factor hopefully.