Meeting with Joy Seppala & Dave Boddy - Thursday 27th February 2020 (16 Viewers)

[RFC]

Fantastic work guys, I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say how much I appreciate your effort and hard work

One quick question... Are you going to send this transcript to the telegraph, observer and cwr directly? We need to get as many people to read it as possible

That would be most interesting!

 

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[SkyBlueDom26]

Sisu boss updates fans on Ricoh Arena and promotion hopes

 

[robbiethemole]

isn't that called plagiarism if you knick someone else's work????

 

[Nick]

Strange, I am sure he has missed this bit out:

Pete explained how he had been told by individuals in the media that the club were unhappy about his public questions regarding the current challenges (including the indemnity). The club have confirmed that this is categorically not the case, and that to the contrary they thought it had been useful. They acknowledged that the statement issued by Sky Blues Talk had been balanced and sought to hold all parties to account.

 

[PurpleBin]

Fuckin hell. Some of youse could find an arguement in a phone box.

Thank you Pete and Mark. All seemed very clear and positive to me. The fact that Joy has stepped up and sat down with you after only a few weeks of the original post going up shows up all of then weird accounts on Twitter.

Thanks both.

 

[mark82]

isn't that called plagiarism if you knick someone else's work????

It's my first published work. Lol.

 

[mark82]

Something is wrong here.

It's actually gone down quite well so far on the Facebook group!

Other than to drop the link on I've not checked back in there yet.

 

[shmmeee]

That's your opinion, you're entitled to that and I'm not going to try to sway you from it. All I can say is there was a clear desire, and acknowledgment, from everyone involved that the club needs to be playing in Coventry next season. There are obstacles to overcome that aren't just about the EU complaint.

(Couldn’t stay away)

What are those obstacles exactly because you’re about the third person to mention them?

There’s not at all a “clear desire and acknowledgement” because that would mean accepting that CCFC is more important than dragging the council through the courts as an act of revenge for slighting Joy. What there is a load of bollocks laid out to placate fans so she can crack on with that regardless of the damage it does to the club.

It’s very much a Meatloaf situation here (“I would do anything for CCFC but I won’t do that”) and it saddens me that fans are accepting that.

 

[Grendel]

Look it’s competition time - the prize? A free ticket to a wasps game and meet Chis West

 

[mark82]

Strange, I am sure he has missed this bit out:

To be fair, it's about the least important couple of lines in the whole thing.

 

[Nick]

To be fair, it's about the least important couple of lines in the whole thing.

He's chopped a few bits out it seems.

 

[Nick]

(Couldn’t stay away)

What are those obstacles exactly because you’re about the third person to mention them?

There’s not at all a “clear desire and acknowledgement” because that would mean accepting that CCFC is more important than dragging the council through the courts as an act of revenge for slighting Joy. What there is a load of bollocks laid out to placate fans so she can crack on with that regardless of the damage it does to the club.

It’s very much a Meatloaf situation here (“I would do anything for CCFC but I won’t do that”) and it saddens me that fans are accepting that.

Accepting what, exactly?

 

[shmmeee]

Accepting what, exactly?

That given a straight choice between

A) dropping the legal route and CCFC playing in Cov

and

B) Not dropping the legal route and CCFC not playing in Cov

The owners will choose B every day. And most on here would seemingly support them in that (I’ve seen people literally say those words on this forum that they don’t care how long we are away as long as “justice is done” or whatever). As Mark says here “they think they have a case”, it’s clear he also thinks it’s more important to punish CCC than keep CCFC in Cov whatever the consequences of that.

As a City fan that’s mind blowing. And for me a sign that the arguments on here have got your priorities screwed up.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Yep sounds like ikea. Would be perfect. Knock down the sky dome as well and make it one big sports arena for us, ice hockey and the basket ball. Wasps can keep the white elephant

It’s not

Doesn’t answer my question. Couldn’t give a shiny shite what CJ did. I want to know when my club is coming home. Glad you’ve got more ammo for your next twitter spat though.

Now we’ve got two biased entrenched fans groups with half the info each and a refusal to ask questions lest they lose access. Yay.

shmmee some answers can’t be published legally and I am in contact with cj. We don’t cover half the fan base and neither do they

 

[Nick]

That given a straight choice between

A) dropping the legal route and CCFC playing in Cov

and

B) Not dropping the legal route and CCFC not playing in Cov

The owners will choose B every day. And most on here would seemingly support them in that (I’ve seen people literally say those words on this forum that they don’t care how long we are away as long as “justice is done” or whatever). As Mark says here “they think they have a case”, it’s clear he also thinks it’s more important to punish CCC than keep CCFC in Cov whatever the consequences of that.

As a City fan that’s mind blowing. And for me a sign that the arguments on here have got your priorities screwed up.

Isn't that being blackmailed? The eu stuff isn't even against wasps.

Mark said they think they have a case, their words not his.

We have seen CCC's thoughts about keeping us in Coventry though haven't we?

What were your thoughts on the trust backing the club to be forced into admin so Haskell can jump in?

You are acting far too desperate again.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

She was asked if it could be withdrawn. Not why she doesn’t make the request anyway if it can’t.

I’m tired mate. This is being held up as a victory and I’m sorry but I can see the Emporers cock as it’s even more shrivelled than it was. My worry with all of this is we just become the anti Trust being equally biased and toothless but on the other side of the argument. Les Reid to the Trusts Simon Gilbert. It’s just a recipe for more infighting and bollocks and no actual answers.

If there’s a plan to actually ask questions then fair enough. If it’s just to turn up and Polish Joys knob about what a great season we’re having then frankly leave it to Juggy.

The only victory will be getting joy and derek in a room shmmee. However getting a conversation with our owners and covering such a broad base of topics is pretty unprecedented. I said without fear or favour and I mean it.

 

[shmmeee]

Look it’s competition time - the prize? A free ticket to a wasps game and meet Chis West

Oh thank god Joy doesn’t waste time in negotiations. Imagine how long we’d be waiting if she did!

6.5 years ago that statement. And your issue is the person bringing it up. Says it all.

 

[better days]

Well done guys

 

[mr_monkey]

That given a straight choice between

A) dropping the legal route and CCFC playing in Cov

and

B) Not dropping the legal route and CCFC not playing in Cov

The owners will choose B every day. And most on here would seemingly support them in that (I’ve seen people literally say those words on this forum that they don’t care how long we are away as long as “justice is done” or whatever). As Mark says here “they think they have a case”, it’s clear he also thinks it’s more important to punish CCC than keep CCFC in Cov whatever the consequences of that.

As a City fan that’s mind blowing. And for me a sign that the arguments on here have got your priorities screwed up.

But option A isn't an option mate that's the issue. We all want an end to legal action and the EU complaint technically isn't legal action as it's asking them to look at the council's role in it all. Again I'll point you to the fact that Eastwood has said it wasn't the EU complaint that caused the talks to break down

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Youve done the work so should go

Not on my own I haven’t. Every single person that voted on the statement did as did all those who worked on it and made it clearer. Including those who offered opinions on including the trust and the dangers of doing so

 

[ajsccfc]

I know it's a fantasy and it'll be unveiled in three weeks and all that stuff, but I love the part about a potential new stadium being four stands rather than a bowl.

 

[shmmeee]

The only victory will be getting joy and derek in a room shmmee. However getting a conversation with our owners and covering such a broad base of topics is pretty unprecedented. I said without fear or favour and I mean it.

And then what? They come out of the room covered in NDAs and he said she said in the media like every other meeting with Joy and another stakeholder? It’s all just time wasting while she exhausts legal avenues. That’s all I’ve heard from this meeting. Oh yes very sad but ultimately I want my day in court so fuck CCFC.

Let me know when you fancy asking her for an apology for wasting people’s time with the pretend stadium last time or the constant “delays” in getting a new ground off the ground, or anything like a concrete plan we can hold her to going forward. Or an answer on when enough is enough and she gives up this wild goose chase of a legal action and gets back to running the club. Or why we as City fans should even support her in her legal action.

Read that statement in the tweet in Grendels post from 2013 and tell me how we’ve moved an inch in the last six and half years.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

As I say fair play for going and the fact you’ve come away exactly how the Trust have with Wasps kinda proves my point about it not being evil conspiracies but rather the realities of trying to get answers and maintain relationships.

But there are clear questions you haven’t asked.

The big one being Wasps are clearly asking for a Sisu to contact the ECJ and ask for the case to be forgotten. You accepted the non answer about whether this would work but didn’t ask why they don’t try and call Wasps bluff if that’s the case.

The forum was a stadium forum Sandra Garlick set up ages ago with far more detail about the new ground than we have now. Where did it go? Why was it stopped? Likely it was just PR bullshit and if so what’s different this time? You can’t just accept “oh yes we want a stadium” on face value.

In terms of timescales again you didn’t ask, you assumed based on a five year deal but what are the deadlines? If we haven’t found land in the next three years what then? Isn’t this just more kicking it into the long grass while we wait for the state aid case? Essentially we are being told the same thing we have for six years with even less evidence it’s actually happening and are expected to just take this as gospel?

Like I say I get it. You don’t want to annoy them now you’ve got access. That’s to be expected and that’s what’s happened on the other wise with the Trust. The whole situation was so foreseeable and frustrating.

Really??? Wow!!!!!

 

[Nick]

And then what? They come out of the room covered in NDAs and he said she said in the media like every other meeting with Joy and another stakeholder? It’s all just time wasting while she exhausts legal avenues. That’s all I’ve heard from this meeting. Oh yes very sad but ultimately I want my day in court so fuck CCFC.

Let me know when you fancy asking her for an apology for wasting people’s time with the pretend stadium last time or the constant “delays” in getting a new ground off the ground, or anything like a concrete plan we can hold her to going forward. Or an answer on when enough is enough and she gives up this wild goose chase of a legal action and gets back to running the club. Or why we as City fans should even support her in her legal action.

Read that statement in the tweet in Grendels post from 2013 and tell me how we’ve moved an inch in the last six and half years.

Who is saying ccfc fans are supporting her legal action?

You are losing the plot because of your personal links again.

Have a sit down and a rest. You are embarrassing yourself again.

Stick to your old man's one side history of things you seem to preach and fuck off with the rest of his council pals. Could be worse, Pete and Mark could be plotting against the club like your dad was.

Dont come on here trying to preach your nonsense about other fans like Pete and Mark and look a bit closer to home.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

As I say fair play for going and the fact you’ve come away exactly how the Trust have with Wasps kinda proves my point about it not being evil conspiracies but rather the realities of trying to get answers and maintain relationships.

But there are clear questions you haven’t asked.

The big one being Wasps are clearly asking for a Sisu to contact the ECJ and ask for the case to be forgotten. You accepted the non answer about whether this would work but didn’t ask why they don’t try and call Wasps bluff if that’s the case.

The forum was a stadium forum Sandra Garlick set up ages ago with far more detail about the new ground than we have now. Where did it go? Why was it stopped? Likely it was just PR bullshit and if so what’s different this time? You can’t just accept “oh yes we want a stadium” on face value.

In terms of timescales again you didn’t ask, you assumed based on a five year deal but what are the deadlines? If we haven’t found land in the next three years what then? Isn’t this just more kicking it into the long grass while we wait for the state aid case? Essentially we are being told the same thing we have for six years with even less evidence it’s actually happening and are expected to just take this as gospel?

Like I say I get it. You don’t want to annoy them now you’ve got access. That’s to be expected and that’s what’s happened on the other wise with the Trust. The whole situation was so foreseeable and frustrating.

Read between the lines shmmee please.

 

[usskyblue]

And then what? They come out of the room covered in NDAs and he said she said in the media like every other meeting with Joy and another stakeholder? It’s all just time wasting while she exhausts legal avenues. That’s all I’ve heard from this meeting. Oh yes very sad but ultimately I want my day in court so fuck CCFC.

Let me know when you fancy asking her for an apology for wasting people’s time with the pretend stadium last time or the constant “delays” in getting a new ground off the ground, or anything like a concrete plan we can hold her to going forward. Or an answer on when enough is enough and she gives up this wild goose chase of a legal action and gets back to running the club. Or why we as City fans should even support her in her legal action.

Read that statement in the tweet in Grendels post from 2013 and tell me how we’ve moved an inch in the last six and half years.

So you want to live in the past, get an apology and totally ignore the Council’s lack of assistance with a new stadium, along with fucking over the club by allegedly underselling the Ricoh to a London Rugby Franchise.

Yeah m8, that’ll get you around the table.

Unless your intervention can be balanced, constructive and not constantly deflective of the Council’s part in the proceedings, quite frankly it’s not fucking welcome.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Frankly to accuse Pete of bias is shameful

I am biased to ccfc

Great. So what did he ask Wasps about the case being forgotten for example? Where’s the thread on his meetings with Wasps maybe I missed it and that’s why I’m “looking silly”. All I can see in this having read through three time’s now is him saying he’s met with Nick Eastwood and he’d be happy to arrange a meeting withJoy and Derek. Nothing about “Wasps say X and you say Y, who is right”.

well there may be more to follow on that. Cj and the trust have published their discussions with wasps and their letter with detailed questions. In a way there’s nothing more for us fans to ask them but to wait for their responses to the trust. As I’ve repeated my aim is to facilitate a discussion between Derek and Joy so they can agree a deal. What more can any of us do?

 

[SkyBlueZack]

(Couldn’t stay away)

What are those obstacles exactly because you’re about the third person to mention them?

There’s not at all a “clear desire and acknowledgement” because that would mean accepting that CCFC is more important than dragging the council through the courts as an act of revenge for slighting Joy. What there is a load of bollocks laid out to placate fans so she can crack on with that regardless of the damage it does to the club.

It’s very much a Meatloaf situation here (“I would do anything for CCFC but I won’t do that”) and it saddens me that fans are accepting that.

Act of revenge for slighting joy? What do you know? Why are you so desperate for the action to stop? As we know already, UK courts have decided no wrongdoing so what’s the concern now? Surely it’ll be the same outcome?
I think the panic and concern around the EU complaint being made indicates there may be a case to answer. It does certainly seem strange joys charitable offer of £2m was an insult, yet the same half share was sold for £2.77m, on a longer lease. A lease that was extended for only £1m.

 

[shmmeee]

I know it's a fantasy and it'll be unveiled in three weeks and all that stuff, but I love the part about a potential new stadium being four stands rather than a bowl.

“I know it’s all bollocks to get us distracted but what pretty bollocks it is”

But option A isn't an option mate that's the issue. We all want an end to legal action and the EU complaint technically isn't legal action as it's asking them to look at the council's role in it all. Again I'll point you to the fact that Eastwood has said it wasn't the EU complaint that caused the talks to break down

Again. So what is it? Because apparently the indemnity is it and that’s related to the court action (or whatever pedantic name you want to put on it, FFS come on we all know what we are talking about what’s even the point in semantic games?).

I mean literally what could it be? It’s either commercial terms (which apparently it isn’t) or it’s the legal action (which apparently it isn’t).

Given no useful information I’ll go with context clues and historical data which suggests it’s the fact that Sisu won’t give up dragging people through court. The main clue being that each time she’s asked about it Joy says she won’t drop it and that the club chose to whine about it in their statement as well as the indemnity.

 

[shmmeee]

Act of revenge for slighting joy? What do you know? Why are you so desperate for the action to stop? As we know already, UK courts have decided no wrongdoing so what’s the concern now? Surely it’ll be the same outcome?
I think the panic and concern around the EU complaint being made indicates there may be a case to answer. It does certainly seem strange joys charitable offer of £2m was an insult, yet the same half share was sold for £2.77m, on a longer lease. A lease that was extended for only £1m.

Because I’m a CCFC fan. Not a rabid green pen weirdo with a hard on against the council.

 

[Nick]

“I know it’s all bollocks to get us distracted but what pretty bollocks it is”




Again. So what is it? Because apparently the indemnity is it and that’s related to the court action (or whatever pedantic name you want to put on it, FFS come on we all know what we are talking about what’s even the point in semantic games?).

I mean literally what could it be? It’s either commercial terms (which apparently it isn’t) or it’s the legal action (which apparently it isn’t).

Given no useful information I’ll go with context clues and historical data which suggests it’s the fact that Sisu won’t give up dragging people through court. The main clue being that each time she’s asked about it Joy says she won’t drop it and that the club chose to whine about it in their statement as well as the indemnity.

You keep forgetting that they did sign to drop any further legal action though?

This is what happens when you keep going on about half stories.

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

And then what? They come out of the room covered in NDAs and he said she said in the media like every other meeting with Joy and another stakeholder? It’s all just time wasting while she exhausts legal avenues. That’s all I’ve heard from this meeting. Oh yes very sad but ultimately I want my day in court so fuck CCFC.

Let me know when you fancy asking her for an apology for wasting people’s time with the pretend stadium last time or the constant “delays” in getting a new ground off the ground, or anything like a concrete plan we can hold her to going forward. Or an answer on when enough is enough and she gives up this wild goose chase of a legal action and gets back to running the club. Or why we as City fans should even support her in her legal action.

Read that statement in the tweet in Grendels post from 2013 and tell me how we’ve moved an inch in the last six and half years.

You strike me as being nothing more than jealous over the positive actions of others who have managed to get an interview with Joy and Boddy : an achievement in itself , and then provided us with some much appreciated information.
You've then spoilt it with your usual childish rantings like someone who would smash up a schoolmates piece of artwork because it was better than yours and you don't like it because it's something you can't achieve.

 

[shmmeee]

You strike me as being nothing more than jealous over the positive actions of others who have managed to get an interview with Joy and Boddy : an achievement in itself , and then provided us with some much appreciated information.
You've then spoilt it with your usual childish rantings like someone who would smash up a schoolmates piece of artwork because it was better than yours and you don't like it because it's something you can't achieve.

And you strike me as a typical soft cock twat who can’t understand basic arguments so assumes everyone else has the same limited rationales as you do.

 

[Nick]

And you strike me as a typical soft cock twat who can’t understand basic arguments so assumes everyone else has the same limited rationales as you do.

The irony is that you always seem to not know particular things after having melt downs.

Look at the state of you on this thread.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

You've then spoilt it with your usual childish rantings like someone who would smash up a schoolmates piece of artwork because it was better than yours and you don't like it because it's something you can't achieve.

Reminds me of a certain few threads he participates in