The coventrian
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Because its lies to keep gullible fans onside plus keeps the FL happy.
Meeting with Joy Seppala & Dave Boddy - Thursday 27th February 2020 (11 Viewers)
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covmark
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Do yourself a favour, and don't bother.
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The coventrian
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They think what happened was unfair? You mean the council gifting wasps a lease on the ground sisu had vacated and said they didn't want? That ship has sailed etc etc.
The coventrian
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Stockholm syndrome??This is kinda my point. She can say “I love CCFC” and also “If rather keep them out of the city and potentially kill the club than say words I don’t believe and won’t have any impact but think are unfair” and that’s fine apparently.
Ditto “we are definitely looking for land” despite saying the same for six years with no evidence of progress.
And we just....accept that? Not just accept but get very very grumpy with anyone who doesn’t.
I honestly don’t get it. CET print “sky is blue” half the forum loses their mind and demands proof. Seppala says “court case that has nothing to do with CCFC is worth killing CCFC for and we’re buying land trust us” and no one bats an eyelid?
When I ask I get “lol of course there’s no stadium”. And we are fine with this?
Has us being top of the league convinced people we’d be OK out of Cov for the foreseeable? I swear just two days ago the same people were saying another year away would kill us. Yet now it’s fine for Seppala to not say some words cos she thinks that’s unfair. And we all get excited about the old fashioned stadium that we also admit isn’t real?
Sky Blue Pete
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First bit is it’s also pointless. I’m reporting what was said by our owner I’m not agreeing with them. The final bit Is your opinion,
I don’t support the court action. It’s insane it puts the very existence of our club in jeopardy but I’m not tyre director of the company that owns our football club. I have no idea if it has merit I know that one country giving back handers to companies so that they don’t move their business is something that inhibits free trade but I don’t know state aid law. We all assume we know that it will be thrown out I have no idea
If wasps paid £30m less for the lease than it was worth then that seems unfair. Do you know it’s not true? They were able to do a bond issue and have lots of money to spend. Imagine what an advantage this would give any sporting club to receive such an advantage?
As I said and it’s been reported Wasps have says their door is open for talks so I don’t think it’s the sticking point. For us fans we should attack each step until an agreement is made
They also said Eastwood did not believe JVS would talk to them
If she did he would organise a meeting with Richardson
Has he?
usskyblue
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You’re either very forgetful or you have a bullshit agenda like your buddy.
The Council were tapping up Wasps before we went to Northampton.
Nick
Administrator
How in depth do you think?
rob9872
Well-Known Member
She said no, but that she thinks Schofield might be interested.
shmmeee
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Fair enough. That makes sense. Personally while I’m glad the team are getting crowds that they deserve (well they deserve 30k every week) and that our owners aren’t about to pull the plug, I’m not convinced it’ll keep us up next year or be sustained through a likely relegation battle as well as the Ricoh would. It does also kinda tip the “where the fuck is the new ground?” Scale a little further. I want to know what’s different from the last six years where we’ve been looking for land? What are we doing differently and why weren’t we doing it six years ago? Who do we hold accountable, how and by when? I’m so fucking done with bullshit like “oh it’ll be a proper ground with pubs and standing and everything” before we’ve done step one.
Sky Blue Pete
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Think you’ll find efl have allowed St. Andrews for 3 years then it’s back to Coventry.
Sky Blue Pete
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Everyone is done with that.
1-everyone at ccfc / sisu wants to play in Coventry
2-without our own stadium we will never compete
I think I may email Cllr Duggins again and ask for some support as a coventrian to be given to ccfc. I get that they have to deal with stuff properly and above board but why shouldn’t the Coventry council help Coventry city football club to return
shmmeee
Well-Known Member
Im out for the night so need to end this madness. But: I 100% agree that the law on state aid is what it is (though ironically is one thing we will apparently be looking to change post Brexit), however it’s been rejected by the highest court in the land more than once, the council employs people who’s entire job is to check this stuff is legal, and it had unanimous council support. The chances of a serious error having been made are vanishingly small in reality.
The reason I’m so hung up on the magic words Wasps want said is precisely because Sisu are digging their heels in on it. It’s so pointless if you take the official line. “Oh I won’t say it because it’s pointless” as almost playground level distraction. It’s a few meaningless words that’ll have no effect and expose your negotiating partners lies to the public. Or it’s not and they could stop all this and they either know it or kinda suspect it after advice. And Wasps must be asking for a reason.
So as I see it yes the indemnity is shit and Wasps need quizzing on it and I hope if you get the chance you do and you’ve done excellent work getting it into the mainstream. But this thread is about discussions as fans with the owners and as a fan I have questions if they also have a lever to pull.
Is Sisu can withdraw the action, even potentially, I want them to. I’m convinced there’s no case to answer that’s clear enough to be missed by councillors, advisors and judges that’s worth the continued exile of the club. The club took a gamble, it didn’t pay off and now they’re over a barrel. It happens. Learn and move on.
The other indicator for me that I’m right is that Sisu insist on keeping the right to appeal and take further action. Dress it up as “not against Wasps” or whatever but to pretend Wasps would take an interest in an action not to do with the Ricoh itself is preposterous.
So we have a landlord who wants the legals to go away to help them finance in the future as I understand it, and have one lever to pull in withholding a deal. And a tenant who refuses to give up an ever decreasing chance of... what exactly? Are we even planning to get the Ricoh after a “win”? And is willing to stay away.
So my question is when do you get where I am, considering court action in one form or another can take decades? Maybe 20 years is hyperbolic, but is five? Or three? As the joke goes: we know what you are, we’re just negotiating on price. There will come a point I assume that everyone gets where I am, so I’m curious as to what people’s individual threshold is.
mr_monkey
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Ok wasps have refused to give Pete the same information that joy and Boddy have...
Sky Blue Pete
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I go cause I support ccfc. This season is too long isn’t it?????
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Apologies if I start this up again, because I confess at page six I skipped
tbf to Pete (and I'm sure he can correct me if I'm remembering badly) I vaguely remember him saying he knew Anne Lucas and John Mutton in some capacity, there was much he could understand from their POV and much he couldn't.
I'm not saying he'll get the answers because, let's face it, they all tell us what we want to hear (new stadium? Ha! Although I look forward to being shocked
) but I am confident he's being sincere and is just reporting back what they say.Personally, I'd consider this to be access to information, but I wouldn't trust the people giving the information as they have their own agendas. If, however, it gets us a step closer to the actual powerbrokers (Seppala and Richardson) talking to one another, then I can accept that.
And also it does no harm, as long as we always keep a healthy scepticism about whatever anybody involved in this palava says.
Wyken Sky Blue
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Well done guys, great effort!
Can we create a new CCFC supportersclub headed by you both called Sky Blues Talk? Certainly one I would fully support both in person at meetings and financially!
Can we create a new CCFC supportersclub headed by you both called Sky Blues Talk? Certainly one I would fully support both in person at meetings and financially!
Sky Blue Pete
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Or a healthy understanding of each position. I recognised in my interactions with the ceo of wasps that I was allowing my frustration to mean I forgot to be polite I have since put this right. I will be extremely disappointed on a personal level if I was fobbed off about a meeting being possible if I managed to arrange this with Joy Seppala but if I was then so be it. It won’t change my belief that there has to be a resolution here somewhere.Apologies if I start this up again, because I confess at page six I skipped
tbf to Pete (and I'm sure he can correct me if I'm remembering badly) I vaguely remember him saying he knew Anne Lucas and John Mutton in some capacity, there was much he could understand from their POV and much he couldn't.
I'm not saying he'll get the answers because, let's face it, they all tell us what we want to hear (new stadium? Ha! Although I look forward to being shocked
Personally, I'd consider this to be access to information, but I wouldn't trust the people giving the information as they have their own agendas. If, however, it gets us a step closer to the actual powerbrokers (Seppala and Richardson) talking to one another, then I can accept that.
And also it does no harm, as long as we always keep a healthy scepticism about whatever anybody involved in this palava says.
Nick
Administrator
You are still ignoring certain things though, it is madness.
They were willing to sign to prevent further action weren't they?
You are obsessing over something Linnell said, a week after be said there was no indemnity.
The legals are against the council, not wasps.
Grendel
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Apologies if I start this up again, because I confess at page six I skipped
tbf to Pete (and I'm sure he can correct me if I'm remembering badly) I vaguely remember him saying he knew Anne Lucas and John Mutton in some capacity, there was much he could understand from their POV and much he couldn't.
I'm not saying he'll get the answers because, let's face it, they all tell us what we want to hear (new stadium? Ha! Although I look forward to being shocked
Personally, I'd consider this to be access to information, but I wouldn't trust the people giving the information as they have their own agendas. If, however, it gets us a step closer to the actual powerbrokers (Seppala and Richardson) talking to one another, then I can accept that.
And also it does no harm, as long as we always keep a healthy scepticism about whatever anybody involved in this palava says.
Time certainly now to not attend trust meetings - leave the mentalists on their own for a few months
Skybluefaz
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To be clear, what was said to be possible? A meeting between you, Mark and Derek Richardson along with Joy and Dave Boddy?
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I guess, to fragment it more, a healthy understanding of each communicated position would be more apt.
My main philosophy in all of this is to trust none of them and, alas, this usually proves the right approach to take more often than not. I wish it wasn't!
Sky Blue Pete
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I can’t live my life like that
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Which makes you a vastly more optimistic / good natured person than me
When it comes to CCFC however, cynicism is not only healthy, but required!
Sky Blue Pete
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Exactly what’s recorded. If I was able to get a commitment from joy to meet then Derek Richardson and Nick Eastwood would meet. Mark and I have many talents but to be frank it’s those two that need to get in a room and agree how to move forward
Skybluefaz
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Indeed. I really thought that sort of meeting would have already taken place.
Sky Blue Pete
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Should have done
mark82
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My reading of this is that they moved on from the initial idea (which has now essentially been shelved, in terms of original POC, etc.). I think they'd have liked part ownership of the Ricoh, but Wasps don't have that in their plans. They talked a bit about having academy & training ground co-located as a desire, I suspect what they'd like to do with the right site is have all 3 located together. Again, just my summation. People will naturally be skeptical because of past events, only time will tell.
SkyBlueZack
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You really don’t realise the irony in your above post here when I’ve asked you the same question just the opposite and without the patronising and condescending tone. Yet you didn’t answer, you just threw insults, and you’re calling someone else a troll?
Sky Blue Pete
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Cllr Duggins says there’s nothing the council can do to help other than deal with any planning permission requests that come in in the normal way.
Sky Blue Pete
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Just emailed my reply
Can anyone in a Coventry constituency do the same please to their councillor?
Dear George
Thank you as always for your response
Is there any reason why Peterborough council are able to help their club more than you are our city’s club?
I ask this as a coventry kid, a fellow labour supporter, a fellow ccfc fan and a cheylesmore constituency resident.
Link for information - Club Sign Memorandum of Understanding For New Stadium Site
Councillor John Holdich, leader of Peterborough City Council, said: "We are delighted to be working with Peterborough United Football Club on its plans to develop a new football stadium which I am sure will be welcome news to fans.
"Our shared vision is to create a stadium that is suitable for the football club in the 21st Century, supporting its aspiration to play at a higher level, and will benefit the city as a whole and support our ambitions for growth. Peterborough needs a stadium that can be used for conferences, concerts, exhibitions and events, which in turn will attract new business, tourism and investment to the city.
"Already the club brings in over £7million of revenue to our city each year, boosting our tourism, creating local jobs and improving the health and wellbeing of over 1,000 young people from our communities each week. A new stadium would only increase the benefits for our city and residents.
"We will now be working closely with the football club to find a suitable location and next steps to achieve our shared ambition."
Thanks again
Pete
Can anyone in a Coventry constituency do the same please to their councillor?
Dear George
Thank you as always for your response
Is there any reason why Peterborough council are able to help their club more than you are our city’s club?
I ask this as a coventry kid, a fellow labour supporter, a fellow ccfc fan and a cheylesmore constituency resident.
Link for information - Club Sign Memorandum of Understanding For New Stadium Site
Councillor John Holdich, leader of Peterborough City Council, said: "We are delighted to be working with Peterborough United Football Club on its plans to develop a new football stadium which I am sure will be welcome news to fans.
"Our shared vision is to create a stadium that is suitable for the football club in the 21st Century, supporting its aspiration to play at a higher level, and will benefit the city as a whole and support our ambitions for growth. Peterborough needs a stadium that can be used for conferences, concerts, exhibitions and events, which in turn will attract new business, tourism and investment to the city.
"Already the club brings in over £7million of revenue to our city each year, boosting our tourism, creating local jobs and improving the health and wellbeing of over 1,000 young people from our communities each week. A new stadium would only increase the benefits for our city and residents.
"We will now be working closely with the football club to find a suitable location and next steps to achieve our shared ambition."
Thanks again
Pete
One of you should definitely go, now that you've managed to get a foot in the door. No need for another vote -the previous vote gives you the mandate to represent the vast majority of the active members of this forum.
Nick
Administrator
I don't think anybody would disagree with it anyway?
chiefdave
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Interesting. Odd then that he has previously stated that the council would provide the club with assistance if legal action was dropped.