Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (70 Viewers)

[Nick]

Up to 100,000 people visit Meadowhall shopping centre (all indoors) daily. Will that be closed? I suspect not, whereas 7000 people sitting outside at St Andrews is too much of a risk. Doesn't seem to be much consistency.

Yeah exactly. Where do you draw the line?

It is effectively going to be where nobody can leave the house.

 

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[torchomatic]

Dispersal orders, fines and the army combined would give it a bloody good go.

Which is what I mentioned earlier about legislation. Surely, it cannot be rushed through before Monday? People will gather regardless. Look at the scenes outside the Parc des Princes last night.

 

[David O'Day]

Almost certain it'll be very similar restrictions to what Ireland have put in place. I can't see any other outcome.

You mean apart from all the reports that say that is still weeks away

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[Flying Fokker]

Schools could shut for a month from next Friday

 

[Ring Of Steel]

When it comes to animal welfare, we're a long way ahead of the Chinese. There are some questionable practices here, absolutely, although I think KFC have recently moved to notably improve their minimum welfare standards.

I've been to China a number of times. I have walked through these markets - they are pretty horrific. This is the stuff they have out in the open, can you imagine what they do out of the public glare? I once went for a meal there when my food was live and I had to skewer it and boil it alive. It was a backstreet 'hotpot' place, but not of the Betty Turpin variety.

I say this without prejudice, because I have Chinese friends who live there who I speak to daily, some of whom are dog owners who are as appalled by the dog meat festival as we are. But, there is a chilling indifference to the treatment of animals in much of China which is truly shocking.

I have also been to China many times over 5 years, and once was taken to what I thought was some kind of supermarket combined with a zoo, was shown some turtles and asked "choose one", they meant as that evening's dinner. I've been offered Shark Lung, snake, monkey, the infamous bat soup and all kinds of things. No I didn't have any of it.

The thing you have to bear in mind with China though is there are 1.4bn people, they are survivors & a properly ancient country, they have no qualms doing whatever it takes to get by and don't flinch at anything. Once you get outside the huge cities the values can be utterly alien to what we would consider 'normal'. Weird and disturbing for me, for them just a case of doing what they have to do.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Forgot that toilets and bars are also in indoors venues. Oh wait

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So are garden sheds, that doesn't mean they see anywhere near the same amount of human traffic that stadiums do? It's not that difficult to grasp.

 

[block16]

When it comes to animal welfare, we're a long way ahead of the Chinese. There are some questionable practices here, absolutely, although I think KFC have recently moved to notably improve their minimum welfare standards.

I've been to China a number of times. I have walked through these markets - they are pretty horrific. This is the stuff they have out in the open, can you imagine what they do out of the public glare? I once went for a meal there when my food was live and I had to skewer it and boil it alive. It was a backstreet 'hotpot' place, but not of the Betty Turpin variety.

I say this without prejudice, because I have Chinese friends who live there who I speak to daily, some of whom are dog owners who are as appalled by the dog meat festival as we are. But, there is a chilling indifference to the treatment of animals in much of China which is truly shocking.

All meat is grim mate dog or pig

 

[skybluesam66]

the issue is people's livelihoods
so may would rather be able to feed their families and keep the roof over their head, if it means having to be at risk from the flu
Many small businesses would not take kindly to such a restriction of their trade

 

[Ring Of Steel]

All meat is grim mate dog or pig

I completely agree, haven't eaten meat since 2005

 

[usskyblue]

It’s absolutely fucking ridiculous to play games behind closed doors when people gather in the thousands at work, shopping centers and restaurants ...not to mention people that are constantly handling parcels, mail etc.

It has to be all or nothing, closing stadiums is nothing but piecemeal, it’s authorities trying to ‘show’ that they’re ‘doing something.’

 

[edgy]

It may be a bit of insurance ruse.. max revenue losses.

Can't see that. Doubt insurance would cover this. It's force majeure.

On a similar note, anyone planning on asking for a refund from the club - think again. It's vital that you don't.

 

[skybluesam66]

I completely agree, haven't eaten meat since 2005

I havent eaten meat since 12:05

 

[theferret]

I have also been to China many times over 5 years, and once was taken to what I thought was some kind of supermarket combined with a zoo, was shown some turtles and asked "choose one", they meant as that evening's dinner. I've been offered Shark Lung, snake, monkey, the infamous bat soup and all kinds of things. No I didn't have any of it.

The thing you have to bear in mind with China though is there are 1.4bn people, they are survivors & a properly ancient country, they have no qualms doing whatever it takes to get by and don't flinch at anything. Once you get outside the huge cities the values can be utterly alien to what we would consider 'normal'. Weird and disturbing for me, for them just a case of doing what they have to do.

Yeah spot on. Much of their culture is so alien to us, but you're right about the history and what drives it. The thing I find most jarring when I go there is the extreme contrasts you see all around you (in terms of rich and poor). I also refused to boil my food alive btw, just for the record!

 

[torchomatic]

It’s absolutely fucking ridiculous to play games behind closed doors when people gather in the thousands at work, shopping centers and restaurants ...not to mention people that are constantly handling parcels, mail etc.

It has to be all or nothing, closing stadiums is nothing but piecemeal, it’s authorities trying to ‘show’ that they’re ‘doing something.’

It will have to surely apply to indoor stuff too: cinemas, theatres, pubs. Even Libraries, etc.

 

[Mcbean]

This one should run as far as the EU shake it all about thread or maybe easily the Bright thread

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

It’s absolutely fucking ridiculous to play games behind closed doors when people gather in the thousands at work, shopping centers and restaurants ...not to mention people that are constantly handling parcels, mail etc.

It has to be all or nothing, closing stadiums is nothing but piecemeal, it’s authorities trying to ‘show’ that they’re ‘doing something.’

It does feel like we're failing in the same trap as Italy did by failing to contain the virus appropriately by only committing to half measures.

E.g. When they shut schools but didn't restrict movement between regions.

The government seem terrified to implement stricter measures but IMO it's the only logical step to proactively get ahead of the virus and ensure that it doesn't continue to spread like wildfire.

 

[Flying Fokker]

What happens if the season can’t finish? Coronavirus and...

 

[usskyblue]

It does feel like we're failing in the same trap as Italy did by failing to contain the virus appropriately by only committing to half measures.

E.g. When they shut schools but didn't restrict movement between regions.

The government seem terrified to implement stricter measures but IMO it's the only logical step to proactively get ahead of the virus and ensure that it doesn't continue to spread like wildfire.

Not shutting down the country is about one thing...

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Not shutting the country is about one thing...

Exactly.

 

[Sky Blue Harry H]

Having watched the video re: retention of germs on objects and hands, I do wonder about the plastic notes and the spread of germs on them. Said to my wife earlier that we ought to carry out all transactions by card (daft I know, but I suspect those notes pass stuff around!)

 

[David O'Day]

So are garden sheds, that doesn't mean they see anywhere near the same amount of human traffic that stadiums do? It's not that difficult to grasp.

But the vast majority of said traffic is out doors thus the experts classify them as low risk.

This is not up for debate

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[SkyBlueCRJ]

Having watched the video re: retention of germs on objects and hands, I do wonder about the plastic notes and the spread of germs on them. Said to my wife earlier that we ought to carry out all transactions by card (daft I know, but I suspect those notes pass stuff around!)

I'm sure I've read somewhere that some bank notes could have been touched/handled by up to 500 people...so there's your answer.

 

[Nick]

Can't see that. Doubt insurance would cover this. It's force majeure.

On a similar note, anyone planning on asking for a refund from the club - think again. It's vital that you don't.

Im not but am pretty sure some will for a moan.

 

[theferret]

All meat is grim mate dog or pig

Yeah, indeed. Pigs are an interesting example. I once spoke to somebody who worked in a slaughter house and he said as time went on he found it very difficult to slaughter pigs because they were very aware of what was happening. Pigs are super-intelligent. We recoil at the idea of eating dog or dolphin because of the perceived intelligence and how they display signs of self-awareness and because of how they interact with humans - but pigs do too, they are great companions and can solve complex problems (but probably not the Ricoh dispute tbf). There is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to eating meat and animal welfare.

 

[Nick]

I'm sure I've read somewhere that some bank notes could have been touched/handled by up to 500 people so there's your answer.

There is a mum joke in there.

 

[steve cooper]

Yeah spot on. Much of their culture is so alien to us, but you're right about the history and what drives it. The thing I find most jarring when I go there is the extreme contrasts you see all around you (in terms of rich and poor). I also refused to boil my food alive btw, just for the record!

The eating areas where the locals eat are generally covered but have masses of birds in the roof area. I saw bird droppings falling onto food that people were eating.

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

Having watched the video re: retention of germs on objects and hands, I do wonder about the plastic notes and the spread of germs on them. Said to my wife earlier that we ought to carry out all transactions by card (daft I know, but I suspect those notes pass stuff around!)

There has been a recommendation to use contactless payments when possible and there have been studies that show money is a good source of many different pathogens. If you search for “money germs” or suchlike there’s lots of results.

 

[Marty]

Haven't read the thread but I think with over 75% of the season complete, if they were to cancel the football league season, I think it's fair to let everyone finish in their current positions, be a huge anti climax for us but whatever.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Yeah spot on. Much of their culture is so alien to us, but you're right about the history and what drives it. The thing I find most jarring when I go there is the extreme contrasts you see all around you (in terms of rich and poor). I also refused to boil my food alive btw, just for the record!

I was based in Nantong for a while- about an hour from Shanghai I guess. Shanghai was like something from the future, opulence and neon and unlike any city I ever saw, made NY look like Nuneaton. Everything pristine and shining. Got to Nantong and went for a meal and they dumped a tray of skinned ducks on the floor right next to us waiting to get them into the kitchen, they were there for a good 20 mins. 10 mins after that saw the same things coming out the kitchen after having been chucked in a frier for a while- claws, beaks the lot all cooked up, and people were devouring them. These things had been chucked on the floor half an hour earlier. You could very, very easily see how a virus or nasty infection could consume the entire place very quickly with that type of stuff going on. In China you can drive for 1 hr and it feels like you've stepped back in time and into a completely different country.

 

[theferret]

Not shutting down the country is about one thing...

Which is perfectly legitimate. There are 5 million people in the UK who are self-employed. A lot will be living on the edge already - it's the nature of being self-employed, so it is perfectly reasonable for their financial well-being to be taken into account when deciding policy.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Yeah, indeed. Pigs are an interesting example. I once spoke to somebody who worked in a slaughter house and he said as time went on he found it very difficult to slaughter pigs because they were very aware of what was happening. Pigs are super-intelligent. We recoil at the idea of eating dog or dolphin because of the perceived intelligence and how they display signs of self-awareness and because of how they interact with humans - but pigs do too, they are great companions and can solve complex problems (but probably not the Ricoh dispute tbf). There is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to eating meat and animal welfare.

My dad was a butcher and I saw abattoirs in action- there is no way on earth the animals don't know or sense whats coming. Its the most horrific, horrible thing you could ever imagine and it stays with you, watching them try to escape. Thats why I don't eat meat. I've no issue with anyone else eating meat, I'm not a holier than thou type- but nope, not for me any more.

 

[usskyblue]

Which is perfectly legitimate. There are 5 million people in the UK who are self-employed. A lot will be living on the edge already - it's the nature of being self-employed, so it is perfectly reasonable for their financial well-being to be taken into account when deciding policy.

I’m saying if you want to properly contain the virus you have to go all in or not at all. This closing of stadiums is nothing short of piecemeal

 

[fernandopartridge]

In China you can drive for 1 hr and it feels like you've stepped back in time and into a completely different country.

Again, it's like the A444

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I’m saying if you want to properly contain the virus you have to go all in or not at all. This closing of stadiums is nothing short of piecemeal

You'll get no joy here, the "experts" Johnson has with him seem to know more than the rest of the planet.

 

[mark82]

My wife works in a nursery and has been told she wouldn't get paid if they had to shut down for a period. To be honest, not being able to go to football games (much as I'd like to) isn't going to be my biggest concern.