Grendel
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I certainly blame them for it
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I certainly blame them for it
duffer
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And there’s the issue in a nutshell,
I’ve no problem with a science based approach to tackling the problem, but it’s deeply concerning that so many scientists differ.
It’s even more worrying that there’s no willingness to share the data upon which these critical decisions are being taken.
True science is based on sharing information and being open to challenge about your hypotheses, methods, and conclusions; what’s currently happening is beginning to seem closer to politics and spin.
duffer
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Except that people are actually dying right now, of course. So not really a joke.
And anyway, hiding under a table was the Government’s formal advice at the time, are you telling us that we shouldn’t trust the Government’s experts?
SIR ERNIE
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They’re responsible for it so they take the blame as far as I’m concerned.
Regarding your question of whether they should offer global support, it will be interesting to see how involved they become when the virus rampages through Africa.
Given the fact that large sectors of their manufacturing industries owe their success to extensive mineral mining interests in the continent, one would hope that they’ll be first in line with aid and expertise.
Somehow I doubt it.
Grendel
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I guess you’d rather live in Italy or Spain would you?
Ring Of Steel
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Exactly. Even reading the people on here mindlessly swallowing the words of “the experts” was pretty scary.
Ring Of Steel
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Actually yesterday a China Air plane from Shanghai landed in Rome, on board were 9 real experts who helped quell it in China (so they know what they’re doing unlike our bunch of clowns), 1,000 ventilators, 100,000 masks, 20,000 protective suits and 50,000 test kits- with more to come.
You can google it and see. But then again that might deflect from your narrative of the dirty nasty Chinese laughing away at everyone else.
fernandopartridge
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That narrative isn't in his post at all. Do you think this is Chinese altruism?
Grendel
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A pangolin I think
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Random, chance evolution is the basis of Darwinson, no? Randomly evolved in bats then passed on via chickens is one speculation.
I do worry about our species though
A person wearing a full hazmat suit at a Somerset Tesco store
I do worry about our species though
A person wearing a full hazmat suit at a Somerset Tesco store
fellatio_Martinez
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A person wearing a full hazmat suit at a Somerset Tesco store
They'll probably get mad cow disease from that mince.
Death always find a way.
fernandopartridge
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What do you do if you need a Jimmy riddle?Random, chance evolution is the basis of Darwinson, no? Randomly evolved in bats then passed on via chickens is one speculation.
I do worry about our species though
A person wearing a full hazmat suit at a Somerset Tesco store
Ring Of Steel
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The people who don’t like foreigners & see everything as “us v them” (we have a few on here) mostly assume that everyone else thinks the same way. They don’t.
Grendel
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Random, chance evolution is the basis of Darwinson, no? Randomly evolved in bats then passed on via chickens is one speculation.
I do worry about our species though
A person wearing a full hazmat suit at a Somerset Tesco store
Please tell me this is a joke
Could it be an employee removing out of date produce ?They'll probably get mad cow disease from that mince.
Death always find a way.
Don't know if anyone has put it up but NI is likely to be having a sixteen week shutdown but not yet..
Edit:- Schools that is.
Ian1779
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I want you to draw me like one of your French girls wearing this..... wearing only this.....
Err no .
I see he has the mandatory pasta in his trolley too .
Maybe he's thinking of the next one using the trolley?
shmmeee
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I think statistically it was likely to appear somewhere like China and we like them when they’re making our shit cheap. I think as the first country with the most experience and likely to be the first back to something like full capacity they should and will support others through it, but not out of any moral duty.
shmmeee
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Ive got my doubts about this strategy and I agree with the thrust of the letter (release data), but the people signing it are hardly experts in their fields or in relevant fields.
skybluetony176
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I think the biggest question arising from Coronavirus is will we actually learn anything about the delicate balance of life. Look at the immediate response to the virus compared to something like global warming. Still, as long as we have people like Trump in charge who’s currently wanking himself of on twitter because the stock markets have seen recovery so Coronavirus looses, Trump wins I’m guessing not.
skybluetony176
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The epicentre may be in China but you have to look at the details of the outbreak and what caused it in the first place. Could happen anywhere really, swine flu started in Mexico for instance under very similar circumstances. Too easy to just point the finger at China and say there’s the bogeyman. It’s a far far wider issue and a worldwide problem.
SBAndy
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hill83
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What are the options again?
fatso
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Although it’s agreed that the virus originated in China, I think it’s unfair to blame them for its rapid spread. So many people travel globally regularly, that any virus will be world wide in a week.
Do we blame Africa for aids, or the UK for CJD?
If it’s proved to be a natural virus, (As in natural to mammals and not developed in a lab). Then I guess there was always a risk to humans, and it was only a matter of time before it spread.
I’m still amazed by the absolute panic that it’s caused, it’s not dangerous to fit and healthy individuals.
And why arnt we hearing from people who have had it and recovered?
Do we blame Africa for aids, or the UK for CJD?
If it’s proved to be a natural virus, (As in natural to mammals and not developed in a lab). Then I guess there was always a risk to humans, and it was only a matter of time before it spread.
I’m still amazed by the absolute panic that it’s caused, it’s not dangerous to fit and healthy individuals.
And why arnt we hearing from people who have had it and recovered?
Grendel
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I would blame the uk for CJD yes
skybluetony176
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All Zoonotic diseases and virus’s. Along with bovine TB which has repeatedly been an issue in the U.K. and other countries. If bovine TB mutates, passes to domestic animals (which it can) and then passes on to humans (which it can) and this particular strain wipes out tens of thousands of humans is it the fault of the country where it first happened? Seems when the whole world lives in such close proximity to animals, work with livestock for meat and dairy the risk of zoonotic illnesses will always be there. It can simply be a roll of the dice where these things arise first.
duffer
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I’m not entirely sure how you come to the opinion regarding the lack of expertise, there are no shortage of public health experts challenging the UK’s approach.
How about this chap, who teaches and researches at Harvard, he obviously isn’t of the opinion that our approach makes sense. He seems to make a number of good points.
duffer
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What on earth are you on about? The question I asked was why you’d question government expertise in one scenario, but not in another?
You don’t seem to be able to answer that.
Mate, let’s face it, as with many other things on here you’ve made your mind up about what’s right, and can’t bear for that to be challenged with evidence. When it is you descend to rather bizarre and emotional responses rather than answering the question.
As for Spain and in particular Italy, where doctors seem to be being forced into the process of deciding who lives and who dies because of insufficient ICU resources, what worries me is that we end up in exactly that place in a few weeks.
A better model might turn out to be South Korea where they’ve tested, contact traced, and isolated thousands in a short space of time, seemingly buying a bit of space to manage the issue. I guess we’ll see in due course which way works out best.
Ring Of Steel
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Well in Cork the hot items (apart from the obvious soaps etc) seem to be eggs, all baking products and crisps, so looks like this nation is going to be eating a lot of lemon drizzle & cheese and onion in the coming weeks. Properly weird to see everywhere so quiet, but doesn’t look anywhere near as bad as Dublin or over there.
shmmeee
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There are lots of very well qualified people disagreeing with the strategy. I’m just saying that letter isn’t from them.
FWIW I disagree with the strategy. I have a science degree and would’ve been counted had I signed that letter. My opinion isn’t worth any more than any other random when it comes to this though.
Edit: the one from the immunologists is a different matter.
Ring Of Steel
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so the experts talk about herd immunity, 24 hours later Matt Hancock says that was never the plan. Yesterday Matt Hancock says the over 70s have to stay indoors for 4 months, today Vallance and Whitty disagree with that and say it’s a bad idea.
Do any of them have any idea what they want to do?
fernandopartridge
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They want to get rid of that utter fucking drip Hancock and give him a job more in keeping with his intellect.
Ring Of Steel
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Agreed, could get him doing match updates on here when the season starts again