peace ndlovu
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I’m in the Middle East. Temperatures in the mid - high twenties and rising. Nobody seems to think this will afford any level of protection. I’ve yet to hear one epidemiologist suggest that a nice heat wave will help
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Astute
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Is it easier to travel around Europe or Russia?
Marty
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Russia immediately quarantined any new arrivals from infected countries for 14 days.
fernandopartridge
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Russia is more difficult of course but does share a land border with China
fernandopartridge
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Well yeah, pointless making them without having sufficient doctors and nurses to administer them.
Concentrated in the north and spread quickly so health service was overwhelmed, can’t get care to the right people. Oldest population in Europe, lots of social contact. Those seem to be main theories.
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shmmeee
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The ventilator thing is stupid. Could you imagine Churchill during the war asking nicely if anyone’s got any spitfires he can buy and if someone makes them he’ll buy them?
Also we’ve known this was coming for months, why are we only now asking? Right or wrong strategy the execution has been an absolute clusterfuck.
Also we’ve known this was coming for months, why are we only now asking? Right or wrong strategy the execution has been an absolute clusterfuck.
I think that speak to how many they are thinking will be needed, not jus there but world wide...
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More likely Extinction Rebellion lol .
Young Greta does have a sinister look about her.
Letter from mathematicians and scientists saying we’re on the same growth curve as Italy etc and need to act quicker. There’s a lot of different opinions and it seems to all come down to timing and reliability of data you’re putting into the models.
http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia/UK_scientists_statement_on_coronavirus_measures.pdf
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http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia/UK_scientists_statement_on_coronavirus_measures.pdf
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fernandopartridge
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We've just had a range of mass public events so let's see how we're looking in a week or two. I'm not positive about it at all
shmmeee
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Well I’ve just had to take a days leave to follow government medical advice and finish my self isolation. They wouldn’t let me work from home despite the fact we’ve had entire meetings about how well have to work from home when it hits. Clearly the message isn’t getting out that this is serious and steps need to be taken now. Government giving the impression it’s business as usual and self isolation/home working is a nice thing to do if you can.
Do get the feeling a lot of businesses aren’t taking it seriously with doesn’t bode well for how they will handle the economic impact.
Just days ago people were still saying it’s all a fuss about nothing, no different to normal flu etc. Hopefully some of the serious measures mooted by the government over the weekend will start to focus minds.
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shmmeee
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Jokes on them. I moved a day I had booked off in two weeks time forward. By then I expect us to be on full lockdown anyway
Grendel
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It’s just as much changes in behaviour when temperatures change in northern hemisphere countries than anything else
Grendel
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I wouldn’t think it’s very easy to travel around Iran
standupforcity
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Brilliant....
Sky Blue Pete
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Does anyone think that there have only been 80000 cases in China and we are getting reliable information from them?
David O'Day
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Have you actually read that? That is just someone saying I'm right and you are wrong. There are far more evidence based cases against the UK plans than that.
fernandopartridge
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Somebody on twitter said Hancock's approach was more Comic Relief than Churchill. He is an embarrassment.
Ring Of Steel
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I have read it and I don't particularly want to argue. I put it up for info, a different view.
I am no medical expert but seems to me that the only sensible thing to do is make 100% sure your parents, grandparents, family members & friends- especially with underlying conditions- are safe & indoors (took ages to convince my dad to stay inside), and keep life going best you can while taking precautions.
And the govt need to align with the experts instead of contradicting them, present a united front and get a fucking grip on the media to stop telling everyone that the end is nigh- its not- do the right thing, be transparent, be smart and stop encouraging people to run around like headless chickens emptying the shops of everything.
SkyBlueDom26
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Very good point about the media. If I was the government I’d be on the phone to the editors to say by all means keep it factual and report the news but spreading mass hysteria when most sensible people are trying to stay calm, is totally irresponsible*. we don’t have state controlled media and I’d never want it but they have a responsibility in times of a crisis.
We’ll get through this, it might not be pretty at times but of course we will. The severity/fatality rates will also hopefully be proven to be far lower than they currently appear as it sounds like greater numbers have it without knowing.
*you’d still get the same nonsense on social media though unfortunately ! (See above)
Sky Blue Pete
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Ring Of Steel
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The government's plan is working well then.
It's almost as if doing absolutely nothing is a bad idea and does not lead to flattening/delaying the peak.
Or you could argue that their approach of having as many as possible infected to develop immunity is going well, who knows, they aren't talking to anyone and when they do they contradict each other. Not looking like a very flat curve so far though is it.
There was a very good post on twitter yesterday from someone whose wife has it, it explained pretty clearly what it is like- one of the things I found was that everyone was giving all this info but nobody was clearly giving examples of symptoms or how to deal with it if you contract it, will see if I can find it. But you are right, in general its a fucking free for all with everyone being told that the world is coming to an end, and they need to smarten up. I am not one for war analogies, but I'm pretty sure that when we were getting bombed the papers weren't telling the population they were doomed. They have a role to play, and unfortunately they are seeing it as a way to sensationalise & sell newspapers.
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shmmeee
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Problem is thanks to the terrible communication you’ve got two equally crap takes taking hold:
a) the end is nigh. Buy all the toilet roll. Boris is a murderer
b) I’m well ard and only pussies care about the virus. It’s just flu. No need to change anything.
Our political discourse is fucked.
SkyBlueDom26
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Im sure you'd fall under B
shmmeee
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Case in point.
Sky Blue Pete
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Yep and if you say anything like that you’re accused of calling people thick or being the intellectual left.
It’s c) it’s shit and will kill people but we need to balance this by taking care of those that need it and those that will be fine please keep things going
SkyBlueDom26
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Are you well ard though?
shmmeee
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Only when you work your magic sweetheart.
SkyBlueDom26
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Weird geeza