Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (33 Viewers)

[Philosoraptor]

I think one of the most worrying things in all this is the Governments chief medical officer looks way too much like Chris Grayling MP.

Just hope they don't have the same level of competence.

 

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[CCFCSteve]

Taken from the BBC- people who've not survived as % recorded cases- Germany clearly the anomaly

You learn something every day- I never heard of Eswatini...

1 Cayman Islands 1 1 100.0%
2 Sudan 2 1 50.0%
3 Curaçao 3 1 33.3%
4 Guatemala 6 1 16.7%
5 Guyana 7 1 14.3%
6 Ukraine 16 2 12.5%
7 Cuba 10 1 10.0%
8 Algeria 74 7 9.5%
9 Philippines 202 19 9.4%
10 San Marino 119 11 9.2%
11 Indonesia 227 19 8.4%
12 Italy 35,713 2,978 8.3%
13 Iraq 164 12 7.3%
14 Bangladesh 14 1 7.1%
15 Jamaica 15 1 6.7%
16 Iran 17,361 1,135 6.5%
17 Dominican Republic 34 2 5.9%
18 Burkina Faso 20 1 5.0%
19 Martinique 23 1 4.3%
20 Spain 14,769 638 4.3%
21 China 81,155 3,249 4.0%
22 UK 2,628 103 3.9%
23 Morocco 54 2 3.7%
24 Albania 59 2 3.4%
25 Japan 889 29 3.3%
26 Lebanon 133 4 3.0%
27 Azerbaijan 34 1 2.9%
28 Egypt 210 6 2.9%
29 Netherlands 2,051 58 2.8%
30 Moldova 36 1 2.8%
31 France 9,045 243 2.7%
32 Bulgaria 92 2 2.2%
33 Argentina 97 2 2.1%
34 Ecuador 168 3 1.8%
35 India 169 3 1.8%
36 Poland 287 5 1.7%
37 Hungary 58 1 1.7%
38 USA 9,403 150 1.6%
39 Costa Rica 69 1 1.4%
40 Canada 727 9 1.2%
41 Greece 418 5 1.2%
42 Switzerland 3,067 33 1.1%
43 South Korea 8,565 91 1.1%
44 Australia 568 6 1.1%
45 Turkey 191 2 1.0%
46 Luxembourg 203 2 1.0%
47 Diamond Princess cruise ship 712 7 1.0%
48 Slovakia 105 1 1.0%
49 Belgium 1,486 14 0.9%
50 Taiwan 108 1 0.9%
51 Panama 109 1 0.9%
52 Sweden 1,301 10 0.8%
53 Brazil 529 4 0.8%
54 Pakistan 307 2 0.7%
55 Ireland 366 2 0.5%
56 Thailand 212 1 0.5%
57 Iceland 250 1 0.4%
58 Bahrain 256 1 0.4%
59 Denmark 1,059 4 0.4%
60 Norway 1,601 6 0.4%
61 Slovenia 286 1 0.3%
62 Portugal 642 2 0.3%
63 Austria 1,843 5 0.3%
64 Malaysia 790 2 0.3%
65 Germany 12,327 28 0.2%

Seeing as we’ve not got enough tests (so aren’t testing properly) we’re hopefully nearer the bottom than the top (at the moment)

anyone know why the fuck TFL have reduced the number of trains this week which has lead to packed tubes when London needs to be social distancing ?! Bizarre

ps wheres burkina faso?!

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I think one of the most worrying things in all this is the Governments chief medical officer looks way too much like Chris Grayling MP.

Just hope they don't have the same level of competence.

Well he does have the "herd immunity" fiasco to answer for

This will go down as one of the most enormous cockups of all time- diagnostic capacity is key and we not only didn't initially have it, we refused to roll it out based on a fairy story "theory" that went tits up in 24 hours. You can get a drive through virus test in Germany, here you have footballers tweeting that they're negative but for everyone else you can't get a test for love nor money unless you are feeling seriously ill.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

This is just a lottery system and I don’t see how it will work as universities will just be over subscribed

Schools will lie and everyone will get inflated grades. It will mean shit cohorts for next year.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I’m sorry with the results?

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[tisza]

Elite football in England suspended until April 30th

Coronavirus: Elite football in England suspended until at least 30 April

so Sunderland have a game this week then

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

WHAT!,!?!?

Just what we’re being told. We are being used as glorified babysitters and it’s completely taking the piss.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I think one of the most worrying things in all this is the Governments chief medical officer looks way too much like Chris Grayling MP.

Just hope they don't have the same level of competence.

Fuck me, thank god Graylings still not around (not a big fan of Hancock but Grayling in charge of NHS !!!!)

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Seeing as we’ve not got enough tests (so aren’t testing properly) we’re hopefully nearer the bottom than the top (at the moment)

anyone know why the fuck TFL have reduced the number of trains this week which has lead to packed tubes when London needs to be social distancing ?! Bizarre

ps wheres burkina faso?!

The not enough tests thing is completely self inflicted, and some might argue deliberate.

We have not placed one single order on manufacturers, who are busily shipping thousands to the rest of Europe

 

[wingy]

Just watching the news with the experts briefings

Clearly there is a member of the press hacking away with symptoms.

 

[Brylowes]

make sure you use a roach

If used whilst in a confused state ....
could give a whole new meaning to the term
“Ring Sting”

 

[CCFCSteve]

The not enough tests thing is completely self inflicted, and some might argue deliberate.

We have not placed one single order on manufacturers, who are busily shipping thousands to the rest of Europe

Poor if that’s the case.

Let’s hope they can get that test which can tell if you’ve had it (rather than just got it) in circulation asap

 

[Philosoraptor]

Well does have the "herd immunity" fiasco to answer for

Yes, can't disagree with that. I think some Utilitarian thinking is shocking.

Its not a case of choosing between bad options.

There are other options to take.

 

[wingy]

Fuck me, thank god Graylings still not around (not a big fan of Hancock but Grayling in charge of NHS !!!!)

He's just the chairman of the security committee nowadays..

 

[fernandopartridge]

Seeing as we’ve not got enough tests (so aren’t testing properly) we’re hopefully nearer the bottom than the top (at the moment)

anyone know why the fuck TFL have reduced the number of trains this week which has lead to packed tubes when London needs to be social distancing ?! Bizarre

ps wheres burkina faso?!

If we're not testing are we also not recording the cause of death as corona all the time? i.e. will there be circumstances where undiagnosed people die and it is never recorded

 

[wingy]

Poor if that’s the case.

Let’s hope they can get that test which can tell if you’ve had it (rather than just got it) in circulation asap

It's coming.

 

[Grendel]

The not enough tests thing is completely self inflicted, and some might argue deliberate.

We have not placed one single order on manufacturers, who are busily shipping thousands to the rest of Europe

There are only 5 countries who have done more tests than the uk in the world

 

[CCFCSteve]

There are only 5 countries who have done more tests than the uk in the world

Still need more though mate

 

[CCFCSteve]

He's just the chairman of the security committee nowadays..

I wouldn’t have him as chairman of the local social club !

 

[Grendel]

Still need more though mate

Japan tested very few but suppressed the disease - the claim from ROS that ventilators are being shipped as we speak is made up

 

[Astute]

Oh no, not this again!

It's a logarithmic scale and is explained on the guy's twitter feed why he uses it. But basically:

"In the initial outbreak phase, a virus like this spreads exponentially not arithmetically, i.e a log scale is the natural way to track the spread"


Also...

The graph would be unreadable on a linear scale:

"2) If we show case numbers on a linear scale, it would look like UK, US etc have little to worry about: they’re down here and Italy is way up there! You’d also be asking readers to calculate an exponential curve in their head to see if two countries are on the same trajectory ???"

Exactly. It puts a downward curve when the real numbers are not on a downward curve.

You preaching this graph is the same as finding an expert who agrees with what you want to say. You then make out that everyone else is wrong.

And back to what I have said several times before. And what you have never answered to. Do you think we should all be in lockdown un til we can safely come out or should we try and have a bit of normality for as long as we can?

People need to earn money. Companies need to continue. Life needs to go on. We need the levels that will let hospitals cope. We could all hide for a few months. Life goes into disarray. Then when we come out if hiding it happens again. Or we just try and manage it.

 

[PVA]

He's just the chairman of the security committee nowadays..

And don't forget we have a Home Secretary who was forced to resign (basically sacked) for secret meetings with Foreign Officials!

 

[Astute]

Ok I think I understand but it means Italy looks like it’s plateauing rather than increasing at an exponential rate at the moment

You got it.

But if you believed someone on here we would all be wrong.

 

[Philosoraptor]

Exactly. It puts a downward curve when the real numbers are not on a downward curve.

You preaching this graph is the same as finding an expert who agrees with what you want to say. You then make out that everyone else is wrong.

And back to what I have said several times before. And what you have never answered to. Do you think we should all be in lockdown un til we can safely come out or should we try and have a bit of normality for as long as we can?

People need to earn money. Companies need to continue. Life needs to go on. We need the levels that will let hospitals cope. We could all hide for a few months. Life goes into disarray. Then when we come out if hiding it happens again. Or we just try and manage it.

People also need to survive.

For these people to survive this 'lockdown' is assumed to be the best course of action.

Of course, we can get rid of most of the elderly, underlying health condition and pregnant women and the country would be financially in a better state.

It is, of course, an action that does remind me of Germany in the run up to the Second World War.

 

[Deleted member 4439]

This is probably the hard-hitting bit of news I have seen around covid19

Paramedics arrive in an ambulance at the Elder retirement home in the town
of Tomelloso, central Spain At least 14 elderly residents of the home have died
after testing positive for coronavirus Photograph: Ismael Herrero/EPA

 

[Brylowes]

I think one of the most worrying things in all this is the Governments chief medical officer looks way too much like Chris Grayling MP.

Just hope they don't have the same level of competence.

You may well have stumbled across the answer to all our prayers here.
Put Chris Grayling in sole charge of the Coronavirus .....he would Lose it down the back of the nearest settee before you could say :emoji_thinking: (what exactly is it that this man holds against leading Tory party members that makes him un-sackable )

 

[Astute]

Sorry but you really have missed the point of the chart.

I'm sure everyone else is fed up of hearing the arguments about scales so I will keep posting the updates but won't respond to any more queries/arguments about the scale

You haven't replied to any. You told everyone to find their own reasoning.

 

[usskyblue]

This is probably the hard-hitting bit of news I have seen around covid19

Paramedics arrive in an ambulance at the Elder retirement home in the town
of Tomelloso, central Spain At least 14 elderly residents of the home have died
after testing positive for coronavirus Photograph: Ismael Herrero/EPA

This is exactly the reason we need to stop bickering over fucking graphs and see what we can do to help...

 

[Astute]

Taken from the BBC- people who've not survived as % recorded cases- Germany clearly the anomaly

You learn something every day- I never heard of Eswatini...

1 Cayman Islands 1 1 100.0%
2 Sudan 2 1 50.0%
3 Curaçao 3 1 33.3%
4 Guatemala 6 1 16.7%
5 Guyana 7 1 14.3%
6 Ukraine 16 2 12.5%
7 Cuba 10 1 10.0%
8 Algeria 74 7 9.5%
9 Philippines 202 19 9.4%
10 San Marino 119 11 9.2%
11 Indonesia 227 19 8.4%
12 Italy 35,713 2,978 8.3%
13 Iraq 164 12 7.3%
14 Bangladesh 14 1 7.1%
15 Jamaica 15 1 6.7%
16 Iran 17,361 1,135 6.5%
17 Dominican Republic 34 2 5.9%
18 Burkina Faso 20 1 5.0%
19 Martinique 23 1 4.3%
20 Spain 14,769 638 4.3%
21 China 81,155 3,249 4.0%
22 UK 2,628 103 3.9%
23 Morocco 54 2 3.7%
24 Albania 59 2 3.4%
25 Japan 889 29 3.3%
26 Lebanon 133 4 3.0%
27 Azerbaijan 34 1 2.9%
28 Egypt 210 6 2.9%
29 Netherlands 2,051 58 2.8%
30 Moldova 36 1 2.8%
31 France 9,045 243 2.7%
32 Bulgaria 92 2 2.2%
33 Argentina 97 2 2.1%
34 Ecuador 168 3 1.8%
35 India 169 3 1.8%
36 Poland 287 5 1.7%
37 Hungary 58 1 1.7%
38 USA 9,403 150 1.6%
39 Costa Rica 69 1 1.4%
40 Canada 727 9 1.2%
41 Greece 418 5 1.2%
42 Switzerland 3,067 33 1.1%
43 South Korea 8,565 91 1.1%
44 Australia 568 6 1.1%
45 Turkey 191 2 1.0%
46 Luxembourg 203 2 1.0%
47 Diamond Princess cruise ship 712 7 1.0%
48 Slovakia 105 1 1.0%
49 Belgium 1,486 14 0.9%
50 Taiwan 108 1 0.9%
51 Panama 109 1 0.9%
52 Sweden 1,301 10 0.8%
53 Brazil 529 4 0.8%
54 Pakistan 307 2 0.7%
55 Ireland 366 2 0.5%
56 Thailand 212 1 0.5%
57 Iceland 250 1 0.4%
58 Bahrain 256 1 0.4%
59 Denmark 1,059 4 0.4%
60 Norway 1,601 6 0.4%
61 Slovenia 286 1 0.3%
62 Portugal 642 2 0.3%
63 Austria 1,843 5 0.3%
64 Malaysia 790 2 0.3%
65 Germany 12,327 28 0.2%

Yes reported cases. We are nit testing the vast majority. We are testing thise with the worse symptoms only. So it makes our numbers lo9k worse than a country that tests everyone.

 

[King of the Lesbians]

This virus is starting to fuck me off! No football , no horse racing , no cricket, no darts , wtf am I supposed to watch and bet on?

Marble racing apparently...

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

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How it should work

 

[skybluetony176]

Too many people on here making graphs tbh

I don’t believe you. Can you put your evidence in the form of a graph please to make your case.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Still need more though mate

You know the agenda- every other country is shit and we're the greatest.

You can read plenty on it- domestic suppliers shipping thousands of tests elsewhere while we have not placed one single order.

 

[PVA]

Exactly. It puts a downward curve when the real numbers are not on a downward curve.

Errr where is there a downward curve?

There are no downward curves on there at all.

I don't think you understand the chart.

Once again. The data and numbers are there. You can disagree with the scale all you like, but the numbers are there in black and white.

 

[CCFCSteve]

It's coming.

Let’s hope so as that’s fair more beneficial (medically and for society) than the current tests (not to say we shouldn’t be doing more of those until new tests are in circulation)