Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (224 Viewers)

[Flying Fokker]

No you’re right, I wouldn’t wish actual death even on Piers. Was being facetious. Katie Hopkins?

He’s partial to a cruise.

 

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[Ring Of Steel]

What lockdown ???

No1 seems to give a flying fuck everyone is carrying on as normal it’s madness I don’t see how we are not gonna end up in a full lockdown nobody allowed out

It’s being pretty well observed over here (where I am at least), if you have to go to the shops it’s like a scene from a post apocalyptic movie- queues to get in to buy basics but everyone spaced out 2m apart, only a certain number allowed in the shop at once, most wearing masks and all looking depressed.

 

[wingy]

There are a fair proportion of people who have locked themselves down already and I don’t mean over 70’s me included. Please do not assume that we are all dumb , we have our own minds and can work things out fairly easily . If you don’t go out you won’t catch it , it’s simple and it’s not all doom and gloom as people are not as daft as some think.

Indeed like the timing of the two thread's on this matter.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

He’s partial to a cruise.

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I don’t know about him, what did he do?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

This is reported in today’s Times

 

[usskyblue]

Tampa mayor expected to announce a 'stay-at-home' order very soon...

Thanks m8. I’ll be the one dealing with all the customers that think oil changes are a fucking emergency....handling their remotes/keys, door handles, gear levers, steering wheels.

Fuckingmental

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Another one for the shit company list: Waterstones.

They just told all staff that they have to use their holiday up if they need to self isolate, and if they don't have enough holiday left for this year it'll be taken out of next year's holiday.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Tampa mayor expected to announce a 'stay-at-home' order very soon...

Thanks m8. I’ll be the one dealing with all the customers that think oil changes are a fucking emergency....handling their remotes/keys, door handles, gear levers, steering wheels.

Fuckingmental

I was gonna “like” that but doesn’t seem appropriate. Look after yourself.

 

[wingy]

Tampa mayor expected to announce a 'stay-at-home' order very soon...

Thanks m8. I’ll be the one dealing with all the customers that think oil changes are a fucking emergency....handling their remotes/keys, door handles, gear levers, steering wheels.

Fuckingmental

Hopefully they will have been employing some common there Uss

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As promised, for those with young ones:

Take some red cabbage (either fresh or the pickled stuff), and put it in a small amount of boiled water and leave for a few minutes. Add the liquid from that to different household substances (vinegar/lemon juice/soap are good ones to start) to see what colour they turn. It works by the juice behaving as an indicator whose colour depends on the acidity of the substance added to it. You should find that acidic substances turn it pink/red while alkalis turn it green/blue.

This also works with fruit teas, beetroot and turmeric if you don’t have the cabbage.

 

[wingy]

As promised, for those with young ones:

Take some red cabbage (either fresh or the pickled stuff), and put it in a small amount of boiled water and leave for a few minutes. Add the liquid from that to different household substances (vinegar/lemon juice/soap are good ones to start) to see what colour they turn. It works by the juice behaving as an indicator whose colour depends on the acidity of the substance added to it. You should find that acidic substances turn it pink/red while alkalis turn it green/blue.

This also works with fruit teas, beetroot and turmeric if you don’t have the cabbage.

Got anything on fermentation ?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Got anything on fermentation ?

You would need yeast for that which I’m assuming many people might not have but happy to put something up anyway.

 

[wingy]

You would need yeast for that which I’m assuming many people might not have but happy to put something up anyway.

I was just toying BSB but you never know.

 

[usskyblue]

Hopefully they will have been employing some common there Uss

No m8. Same as there. Hiding behind ‘taking advice from experts’ and issuing time delaying appeals for people not to gather...then, when it’s too late, issuing ‘stay at home’ orders....fucking blatant...they had a trend to learn from.

I’m fucking seething...imagine someone who lost a loved one. Unbelievable.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

No m8. Same as there. Hiding behind ‘taking advice from experts’ and issuing time delaying appeals for people not to gather...then, when it’s too late, issuing ‘stay at home’ orders....fucking blatant...they had a trend to learn from.

I’m fucking seething...imagine someone who lost a loved one. Unbelievable.

It doesn’t help that your state governor is a cretin of gargantuan proportions.

 

[usskyblue]

It doesn’t help that your state governor is a cretin of gargantuan proportions.

It’s hard to make out what he’s saying as his tongue is jammed up Trump’s arse

 

[Warwickhunt]

Can only imagine these were infected before the lock down, hopefully it levels out soon.

I wish there was a test available to tell you if you already had it! I know they are developing one soon. I swear me an the misses have had it! just before xmas and into the new year we both had dry coughs and raging sore throats, the cough started then after a couple of days felt really shit and the sore throat was terrible also very very tired all the time must have slept for 2 days! it eased off after 4 days then the bastard came back and lasted another 5 days. Cannot remember if we had a temperature or not

 

[wingy]

I wish there was a test available to tell you if you already had it! I know they are developing one soon. I swear me an the misses have had it! just before xmas and into the new year we both had dry coughs and raging sore throats, the cough started then after a couple of days felt really shit and the sore throat was terrible also very very tired all the time must have slept for 2 days! it eased off after 4 days then the bastard came back and lasted another 5 days. Cannot remember if we had a temperature or not

Sounds very typical of the symptoms doesn't it.
Test on the way so they're saying
Had one in SK takes 10 minutes.

 

[skybluesam66]

I wish there was a test available to tell you if you already had it! I know they are developing one soon. I swear me an the misses have had it! just before xmas and into the new year we both had dry coughs and raging sore throats, the cough started then after a couple of days felt really shit and the sore throat was terrible also very very tired all the time must have slept for 2 days! it eased off after 4 days then the bastard came back and lasted another 5 days. Cannot remember if we had a temperature or not

exactly the same early Feb - Worst cough in my life, didnt sleep for more than an hour at a time because of it , felt shit - but supposedly wasnt even here then

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

exactly the same early Feb - Worst cough in my life, didnt sleep for more than an hour at a time because of it , felt shit - but supposedly wasnt even here then

Keep in mind there’d be other winter bugs around. Hill sounds like he definitely had it mind

 

[Sick Boy]

As promised, for those with young ones:

Take some red cabbage (either fresh or the pickled stuff), and put it in a small amount of boiled water and leave for a few minutes. Add the liquid from that to different household substances (vinegar/lemon juice/soap are good ones to start) to see what colour they turn. It works by the juice behaving as an indicator whose colour depends on the acidity of the substance added to it. You should find that acidic substances turn it pink/red while alkalis turn it green/blue.

This also works with fruit teas, beetroot and turmeric if you don’t have the cabbage.

I was expecting this to be the SBT version of the Anarchist Cookbook.

 

[Gynnsthetonic]

As promised, for those with young ones:

Take some red cabbage (either fresh or the pickled stuff), and put it in a small amount of boiled water and leave for a few minutes. Add the liquid from that to different household substances (vinegar/lemon juice/soap are good ones to start) to see what colour they turn. It works by the juice behaving as an indicator whose colour depends on the acidity of the substance added to it. You should find that acidic substances turn it pink/red while alkalis turn it green/blue.

This also works with fruit teas, beetroot and turmeric if you don’t have the cabbage.

No cabbages, soap or vinegar in my cupboards as some cunts have hoarded them

 

[CCFCSteve]

This is reported in today’s Times

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There are plenty of other elements to that article and another article (double page spread on page 6) as you will know ROS. For a start comments regarding scientific groups/councils estimates of deaths (unmitigated) rising from 100k to 500k in only a week, which changed the scientific advisors views as to what steps/actions were required. That ministers had been on notice that drastic action might be needed since the virus first emerged in China. That there was an apparent initial government underestimation of the virus, however, as we know this has been worldwide until the past two weeks. Also that Ministers are working around the clock on the responses.

Even though I’ve mentioned it previously one of the reasons we are a bit behind the curve (time wise) is the measures implemented on day one (trace and tracking, NHS 111 and self isolation) which appear to have proved more successful than other European countries. I agree that some of this time might well have been wasted though and social distancing could’ve been brought in earlier and more gradually but it’s appears that we would’ve still ended up in this ‘lock down’ position (as with every other European nation) at some stage in the diseases spread.

Finally, I’m not going to get into the same political debate again. As soon as there’s a bit of negative press, trying to stir up the same discussions from the past few days. If the government has failed us then they will be held to account (there will be committee reviews) however this can only be done at the end when we know the impacts of their actions/inaction, in particular regarding the supply of protective equipment for NHS staff and ventilators

We are where we are and it’s up to all of us to deal with what’s now in front of us. I consider this is now the public’s actions that will determine the outcome as much as the governments.

ps someone mentioned Macron earlier...don’t get me started ! (So we changed our policy and measures because of a call from him on Friday ?!!) All I’ll say is they are not on a dissimilar trajectory (in relation to deaths) to Italy’s either. I’d take advice/lecture on this matter from Germany, who have coped remarkably well to date (even though they don’t test for CV post mortem which will skew figures a little)

ps Matthew syed article on Pg 28 is an interesting read

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Sounds very typical of the symptoms doesn't it.
Test on the way so they're saying
Had one in SK takes 10 minutes.

Wingy mate sometimes you do talk in riddles what is SK?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

There are plenty of other elements to that article and another article (double page spread on page 6) as you will know ROS. For a start comments regarding scientific groups/councils estimates of deaths (unmitigated) rising from 100k to 500k in only a week, which changed the scientific advisors views as to what steps/actions were required. That ministers had been on notice that drastic action might be needed since the virus first emerged in China. That there was an apparent initial government underestimation of the virus, however, as we know this has been worldwide until the past two weeks. Also that Ministers are working around the clock on the responses.

Even though I’ve mentioned it previously one of the reasons we are a bit behind the curve (time wise) is the measures implemented on day one (trace and tracking, NHS 111 and self isolation) which appear to have proved more successful than other European countries. I agree that some of this time might well have been wasted though and social distancing could’ve been brought in earlier and more gradually but it’s appears that we would’ve still ended up in this ‘lock down’ position (as with every other European nation) at some stage in the diseases spread.

Finally, I’m not going to get into the same political debate again. As soon as there’s a bit of negative press, trying to stir up the same discussions from the past few days. If the government has failed us then they will be held to account (there will be committee reviews) however this can only be done at the end when we know the impacts of their actions/inaction, in particular regarding the supply of protective equipment for NHS staff and ventilators

We are where we are and it’s up to all of us to deal with what’s now in front of us. I consider this is now the public’s actions that will determine the outcome as much as the governments.

ps someone mentioned Macron earlier...don’t get me started ! (So we changed our policy and measures because of a call from him on Friday ?!!) All I’ll say is they are not on a dissimilar trajectory (in relation to deaths) to Italy’s either. I’d take advice/lecture on this matter from Germany, who have coped remarkably well to date (even though they don’t test for CV post mortem which will skew figures a little)

ps Matthew syed article on Pg 28 is an interesting read

It’s only you making it political, I’m talking about Johnson, Cummings etc as human beings being inept and failing to do what they need to do.

And if you want to talk Germany- for a start they bought ventilators, test massively, things which the whole country has been screaming for for a month, but which Johnson & his cronies failed to do.

You have nowhere to go here, talk politics if you like but that doesn’t matter- these people have massively failed their country and continue to do so.

 

[Tommo1993]

Wingy mate sometimes you do talk in riddles what is SK?

I’m gonna guess South Korea. Everyone guess. Superman Kryptonite

 

[better days]

For those looking for someone to blame I can only say that a hospital doctor told me weeks ago that they knew what was coming and were clearing the wards to deal with it and negotiating with private hospitals to help
These were contingency plans at that point but he expected the worst based on what was going on in other countries
Of course these plans were being made behind the scenes
I hate to see a minority scoring political points in a tragedy like this
London is the epicentre where we have a Labour Mayor and most boroughs are Labour controlled
This situation is no more their fault than their opponents in government
We are in it together

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I’m gonna guess South Korea. Everyone guess. Superman Kryptonite

It is South Korea- takes 7 minutes to get tested and get results back over there, they have special testing stations in the street.

 

[CCFCSteve]

It’s only you making it political, I’m talking about Johnson, Cummings etc as human beings being inept and failing to do what they need to do.

And if you want to talk Germany- for a start they bought ventilators, test massively, things which the whole country has been screaming for for a month, but which Johnson & his cronies failed to do.

You have nowhere to go here, talk politics if you like but that doesn’t matter- these people have massively failed their country and continue to do so.

Do you really serious believe Cummings was driving policy on this ? Just listening to LBC who are talking about social media circulating that very snippet from the Times article and they listed the 5 scientific committees feeding into Witty and Valllence who then drive the policy/measures

I’m just trying to provide wider context.
Tim Shipman (who wrote the article has even tweeted the following for clarification):
Tim Shipman

@ShippersUnbound

‘If you read the whole article you will see that Dominic Cummings has been, for the last 10 days, the most zealous advocate of a tough lockdown. Which is what his critics seem to want. The world is not black and white’

 

[Ring Of Steel]

For those looking for someone to blame I can only say that a hospital doctor told me weeks ago that they knew what was coming and were clearing the wards to deal with it and negotiating with private hospitals to help
These were contingency plans at that point but he expected the worst based on what was going on in other countries
Of course these plans were being made behind the scenes
I hate to see a minority scoring political points in a tragedy like this
London is the epicentre where we have a Labour Mayor and most boroughs are Labour controlled
This situation is no more their fault than their opponents in government
We are in it together

I don’t care about politics, I do care about how poorly the people of the country have been led.

 

[shmmeee]

Important info for anyone in the vulnerable category not sure if posted: Guidance on shielding and protecting people defined on medical grounds as extremely vulnerable from COVID-19

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Do you really serious believe Cummings was driving policy on this ? Just listening to LBC who are talking about social media circulating that very snippet from the Times article and they listed the 5 scientific committees feeding into Witty and Valllence who then drive the policy/measures

I’m just trying to provide wider context.
Tim Shipman (who wrote the article has even tweeted the following for clarification):
Tim Shipman

@ShippersUnbound

‘If you read the whole article you will see that Dominic Cummings has been, for the last 10 days, the most zealous advocate of a tough lockdown. Which is what his critics seem to want. The world is not black and white’

I don’t propose to get into a political debate with you, mainly because I don’t care about what party someone is in, I do care that these people have fucked up massively and I hope at some stage they are held to account.

 

[Otis]

I’m gonna guess South Korea. Everyone guess. Superman Kryptonite

Stephen King?

 

[fernandopartridge]

There are plenty of other elements to that article and another article (double page spread on page 6) as you will know ROS. For a start comments regarding scientific groups/councils estimates of deaths (unmitigated) rising from 100k to 500k in only a week, which changed the scientific advisors views as to what steps/actions were required. That ministers had been on notice that drastic action might be needed since the virus first emerged in China. That there was an apparent initial government underestimation of the virus, however, as we know this has been worldwide until the past two weeks. Also that Ministers are working around the clock on the responses.

Even though I’ve mentioned it previously one of the reasons we are a bit behind the curve (time wise) is the measures implemented on day one (trace and tracking, NHS 111 and self isolation) which appear to have proved more successful than other European countries. I agree that some of this time might well have been wasted though and social distancing could’ve been brought in earlier and more gradually but it’s appears that we would’ve still ended up in this ‘lock down’ position (as with every other European nation) at some stage in the diseases spread.

Finally, I’m not going to get into the same political debate again. As soon as there’s a bit of negative press, trying to stir up the same discussions from the past few days. If the government has failed us then they will be held to account (there will be committee reviews) however this can only be done at the end when we know the impacts of their actions/inaction, in particular regarding the supply of protective equipment for NHS staff and ventilators

We are where we are and it’s up to all of us to deal with what’s now in front of us. I consider this is now the public’s actions that will determine the outcome as much as the governments.

ps someone mentioned Macron earlier...don’t get me started ! (So we changed our policy and measures because of a call from him on Friday ?!!) All I’ll say is they are not on a dissimilar trajectory (in relation to deaths) to Italy’s either. I’d take advice/lecture on this matter from Germany, who have coped remarkably well to date (even though they don’t test for CV post mortem which will skew figures a little)

ps Matthew syed article on Pg 28 is an interesting read

Give it up Steve, your apologist attitude belies your intelligence. The government plan saw deaths as a necessary part of a strategy to protect the economy.

The whataboutery in the comparison to France is laughable.

As an island outside of schengen we have a geographical advantage a lot of mainland Europe doesn't. The government has not used that to its benefit.

All we've got now is to hope that our trajectory somehow changes direction.

 

[CCFCSteve]

I don’t propose to get into a political debate with you, mainly because I don’t care about what party someone is in, I do care that these people have fucked up massively and I hope at some stage they are held to account.

Appreciate that and accept your argument isn’t about political parties, but my point is that cutting from the Times has been circulated around social media today, probably leading to more people to panic and worry, believing this guy is in charge. He’s not. In addition, even the author of the article has tweeted to say it’s out of context and as detailed above Cummings was the ‘most zealous advocate of lockdown for the last 10 days’ - which would be in line with your/others thinking ?