Philosoraptor
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The point is worrying doesn't do much.
I'm currently about to start on my emergency supply of couscous.
I'm currently about to start on my emergency supply of couscous.
Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (237 Viewers)
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fernandopartridge
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COMMIE BASTARDS
Just saw this:
Normal Flu - Rate of Infection is 1.4 so patient Zero passes it to 1.4 peoplele and with those 1.4 passing it to 1.4 etc going 10 levels down the line means patient Zero has infected 14 people
Covid-19 - Rate of Infection is 3 (doesn't sound much difference does it?), but patient Zero passing it to 3 and those 3 passing it to 3 and so on means that when you get to level 10 then patient Zero is responsible for 59,000 cases
Normal Flu - Rate of Infection is 1.4 so patient Zero passes it to 1.4 peoplele and with those 1.4 passing it to 1.4 etc going 10 levels down the line means patient Zero has infected 14 people
Covid-19 - Rate of Infection is 3 (doesn't sound much difference does it?), but patient Zero passing it to 3 and those 3 passing it to 3 and so on means that when you get to level 10 then patient Zero is responsible for 59,000 cases
Philosoraptor
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I ran out of coffee and milk last night. Had to go on to green leaf tea. That stuff is vile.
Astute
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It isn't rocket science. I said myself that I could see something happening today once they saw how much the advice would be ignored over the weekend.
And even you can't say that it hasn't been ignored by millions of people.
David O'Day
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Wake up? I was awake when when I studied economics. Where did you do yours?
You need to keep demand in the economy as while there while be a recession you are trying to stop a depression.
If everyone stops spending money they don't need to you get the paradox of thrift where demand reduces and thus companies lose money and cut costs which are usually staff. This then produces demand even more which leads to businesses tightening their belts even more and you enter a vicious cycle.
What you need to do by government intervention is try and prop up demand as much as possible so more people stay in work.
It's the difference between how the Hoover admin in 1929 reacted which caused a depression and how the world reacted in 2008 which turned a potential depression into a recession.
Wake up you say? Well it appears you need to wake yourself up as even the trump administration recognises this and will bring in ui as soon as they agree on the amount.
David O'Day
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The rumours that appear on Facebook etc. It's serious and it can get and will get worse but when 12% of icu beds are used by Covid-19 patients people running around saying the hospitals are overcrowded already and can't fit anymore icu patients is morally wrong.
Also the poster claimed the 18 year old died at UHC due to it being overwhelmed, they didn't as sadly the patient was already chronically Ill
David O'Day
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Same with McDonald's, take out food is allowed and is probably a vital thing so they could easily and safely run their drive through.
They probably decided it made more sense for them not to. Any who what is happening to the staff as they will mostly be on zero hour contracts
shmmeee
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I’m hoping there’s something coming today for self employed and that’s when they’ll announced further closures.
Sorry was shorthand for “they need masks more than you”. Agree with your caveats.
Sorry was shorthand for “they need masks more than you”. Agree with your caveats.
shmmeee
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You’ve clearly not been near a McDonalds recently.
Grendel
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Many stores I assume are City Centre stores with no drive through facility.
They apparently employ 135,000 people I suppose on varying contracts. Everyone going through a drive through is just never going to be practical.
Astute
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Not as simple as that though is it.
He has been trying to keep things as normal as he can for as long as he can. The big problem is that the advice has been ignored by millions of people.
It isn't about freedom. Those in countries in lockdown are having a hard time. And there is no end in sight. If we kept apart we might have coped. But now we could end up losing millions of jobs. And it will be the same around Europe. Lots of businesses won't reopen. Less money to go around. More shut. Even less money to go around. And so on.
Colin Steins Smile
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The issue for the UK is that we have 2.3 ICU beds per 1000 people, in Italy they have 2.9 ICU beds per 1000 people and they've been overrun. This has led to medics making decisions that people over a certain age or condition are just sent home to die, as they cannot cope.
If we don't change our behaviour, this is the scenario we'll be facing.
David O'Day
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I was talking about people such as the poster claiming we had already reached this stage.
shmmeee
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You didn’t read the thread then?
Excellent post.
And good point about arbitrary Brexit date. If only he treated this crisis with such urgency and importance!
David O'Day
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Way to miss the point again.
The point is this, if it was a purely safety reasoning for closure they could just shutter the non drive through stores and transfer some staff to the,m as needed by demand.mas the arevshutting everything it is purely economic
cc84cov
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Oh I know it has been ignored mate I’ve been saying it from day 1 nobody cares,just read he’s trying to push through new laws probably start with a 7-7 curfew maybe
Astute
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Yeah OK.
Are the Italians the same?
Italy struggled to convince citizens of coronavirus crisis. What can Europe learn?
Sounds just like us. And not in the way you say.
covcity4life
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My fathers friends son
Had cancer. Tragic. Just 3 weeks ago even that was not diagnosed
Poor boy. So so sad
Astute
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And they are needed. Look at the link I posted above this post.
shmmeee
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That article is blaming poor messaging from leaders which is exactly what I’m saying.
tisza
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going to add to my original answer.
There's a mixture of shock/outrage/disbelief etc. as pictures of people "hijacking" supermarket times earmarked for NHS & elderly are shown on mainstream & social media here today. Also the crowding is viewed with incredulity.
Astute
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Poor messaging and people ignoring advice.
SeaSeeEffCee
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Absolutely tragic, my condolences.
Did he discover the cancer diagnosis due to being hospitalised with the virus?
covcity4life
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I believe hospitalisation may have put him in situation to get corona. Not sure tho im afraid
As nick says some reports it wasnt corona now
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This is a difficult thing to police mind you, given it also includes people with underlying conditions. Now technically I have one, so would qualify for the 'old' slot (along with needing to shop for older relatives) but if I were to turn up then, I'd get some funny looks.
Therefore, I won't be!
But those who'd want to flout the rules could easily claim they were shopping for someone else? Sainsbury's I know were going to judge by the DoB you gave when signing up... but if you've just signed up in the past couple of days (like my parents have, if they'd actually listen to me for once!) how do you know people are being honest?
Ring Of Steel
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I haven't seen any of that, is it really going on?
shmmeee
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Same thing. People ignore the advice because it isn’t clear and the importance hasn’t been gotten across.
Like a poor supply teacher moaning that the kids won’t listen.
clint van damme
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whatever it was it's a tragedy and such as shame for the family. Always heart breaking when a young life is lost.
shmmeee
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Certainly is for the NHS hours
covcity4life
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18. Tragic
And we spend our lives having internet arguments. Life could end at any second guys