If China hadn't been maligned by Trump for four years , same with Europe they may get a harder time .
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TomRad85
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So we shouldn't ever criticise cultural practices just in case someone thinks its racist?
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clint van damme
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we should be free to criticise, but we also need to be careful those criticism aren't been driven by a hidden agenda.
Ring Of Steel
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No I don’t mean that, I’m not talking domestic politics now- I’m talking about how the world changes following this pandemic.
Relatives of Dr David Kelly might dispute that.
skybluetony176
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You mean how people and media point the finger at China to distract from our own government’s failings? That’s a door that swings both ways.
Not sure if someone’s provided an update on cases/numbers but for anyone interested .....infections have increased by 2,493 (yesterday was 2546 I think) and deaths by 209 (yesterday 260)
Obviously not great but stable(ish), which I think is good as we can hope for over the next couple of weeks
Obviously not great but stable(ish), which I think is good as we can hope for over the next couple of weeks
Grendel
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The Chinese government have alleged that there are no more deaths in the country. They have claimed the outspoken science officer who criticised the government died of the virus following his arrest. Do you believe that?
TomRad85
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He didn't say that, he said any criticism is racist. Also who decides if theres a hidden agenda or not? People are all free to criticise anything they wish. In certain countries anyway.
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Grendel
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I can’t see how criticising a society that refuses any sanctions on animal cruelty van be seen as racist
clint van damme
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he did and I don't agree.
And you can work the hidden agendas out for yourself.
For example when the far right start championing gay rights in order to push an anti Muslim agenda. We all know the far right couldn't give a fuck about gay rights, quite the opposite. .
Ring Of Steel
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here we go: “here is one specific fact about a country of 1.4 billion that I have a deep rooted prejudice against. Do you dispute it’s veracity?”
clint van damme
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i never said it was.
What I didn't agree with is that we are culturally superior, and I think that is a racist statement.
On animal rights and food hygiene, I think they can learn from us even though we are far from perfect.
David O'Day
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Exactly, faux animal rights bollocks is just an excuse to attack the Chinese
skybluetony176
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Salmonella? It’s a natural bacteria in the guts of poultry and other types of animals in the food chain. Dozens die each year in the U.K. from it but the government hasn’t stopped us consuming it (the infection rate and death rate in the US is far higher because of their standard practices). Bovine TB? It’s a respiratory virus that passes to humans from a number of animals. Has the government stopped us eating beef and dairy products? Covid19 is a mutation of the Coronavirus which has been around forever. What’s to say bovine TB won’t mutate, become immune to pasteurisation of milk, be more contagious to humans, have more serious symptoms and become a pandemic killing thousands? Same can be said for foot and mouth. I’m sure we all remember the cow bonfires in the U.K.
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TomRad85
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It's not a racist statement. Its clearly preferable to live in England rather than China, just as I'm sure there are countries to live in that are preferable to live in over England. Not everything has to be equal.
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It’s you who is changing. You’ve gone from saying we said it wasn’t true to admitting the only query was whether it was fully authored by the nurse.
I really don’t get why you’re on this crusade against me. As I said the truth is likely to be somewhere in the middle.
I’ve enjoyed most of your posts in this thread so I’m not really interested in arguing over something so trivial.
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Grendel
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Do you object to bill fighting - it’s defined as cultural acceptable by the EU - if I object to it am I racist?
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I wouldn’t even suggest our shit might stink too as some people will utterly lose their heads it seems and say you’re defending torturing dogs.
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clint van damme
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how is it clearly preferable to live in China? There is no way of measuring that.
I would certainly prefer to live here even though I've never visited China but I wouldn't get anywhere near to putting that down to cultural superiority.
TomRad85
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Countries are reflections of their cultures.
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clint van damme
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but I'm not arguing that you objecting to bull fighting is racist, I'm not sure why you think I am.
I am against bull fighting and all animal cruelty, though as I've said before, as a meat eater, albeit one who is trying to cut his meat consumption, I am open to charges of hypocrisy.
fernandopartridge
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Yes, it's good that there wasn't another exponential increase. Flattening the curve might mean a lot of days like this.
TomRad85
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All meat eating animal lovers are hypocrites to a degree but we can all want the best for our little furry friends even in death.
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skybluetony176
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There’s a far right social media campaign in the US against Anthony Fauci (one of Trumps top advisors on Coronavirus and a virus expert) because he’s the guy who has to keep correcting what Trump says.
clint van damme
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i saw that. He's also getting criticism from his own colleagues for sharing the stage with Trump even though it's his job. Be quite within his rights to say fuck the lot of you!
Ring Of Steel
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Exactly the point- while we should be changing the way the world works, some are just worried about tax rates. The former WHO top person said this today:
“The former director general of the World Health Organisation (WHO), Dr Gro Harlem Brundtland has been talking to BBC Radio 4 about what she says is the lack of "preparedness of the world" for a global pandemic.
Mrs Brundtland, who was the first female prime minister of Norway, is co-chair of the WHO and World Bank's Global Preparedness Monitoring Board, who published a report in September 2019 warning of a "highly lethal pandemic".
“What we have now is a warned catastrophe," she said.
"We saw big alarming gaps in the preparedness of the world and found compelling evidence of a very real threat."
“It’s not too late but we have to deal with the fact we are already in this now, which means putting emphasis on mobilising funding and (placing) attention on getting the equipment that is needed."
If we don’t wake up this will happen again and again. The systems in place in the world right now- you couldn’t design them any better in order to spread disease & viruses- got to change everything, together, stop blaming everybody else for everything.
Flying Fokker
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Oh boy, The last 5 pages have been really horrible. I thought this was about Coronavirus. There are some disgusting things going on in the world at the moment. Pity the ‘Debate’ went into meltdown. Good luck with the rest of the day as I’m out of here until tomorrow.
We’re all in it together!
We’re all in it together!
David O'Day
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Yep, sadly more people will die but people do have to come to terms with the fact that flattening the curve does mean that the numbers suddenly drop off
fernandopartridge
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Does not mean you mean
Ring Of Steel
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This is a very good read
https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_Annual_Report_English.pdf
https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/annual_report/GPMB_Annual_Report_English.pdf
David O'Day
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Yeah sorry, does not mean.
shmmeee
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What CCFC's fixture list could look like if L1 returns in July
If this was the fixture list, or any kind of thing where we play wed/sat we’d have all our home games on Wednesday and all our away on Saturday, or visa versa if sat/wed.
If this was the fixture list, or any kind of thing where we play wed/sat we’d have all our home games on Wednesday and all our away on Saturday, or visa versa if sat/wed.