Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (361 Viewers)

[Philosoraptor]

How do you even begin to try and get inside this guy’s mind?

It's just Machiavellian principles. Someone who really shouldn't be in power.

 

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[Ring Of Steel]

So it’s at least 3-6 months possibly longer? I didn’t see it I’m just trying to clarify how it should be interpreted.


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I’ve given up trying to work it out, I don’t think anyone knows, just taking one day at a time. It feels like this has been going on for months already- got to be the longest fortnight mentally I’ve ever known. Even the fortnight before the cup final didn’t feel as tense as this

 

[cc84cov]

So it’s at least 3-6 months possibly longer? I didn’t see it I’m just trying to clarify how it should be interpreted.


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You mean Grendel lol I heard the exact same as you mate

 

[djr8369]

You mean Grendel lol I heard the exact same as you mate

I don’t mean anyone I genuinely didn’t see that part of the press conference! Just bemused at how people are arguing over how her words should be interpreted.


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[shmmeee]

I don’t mean anyone I genuinely didn’t see that part of the press conference! Just bemused at how people are arguing over how her words should be interpreted.


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From BBC:

• She suggested it could be six months or longer before life returns to normal. But Dr Harries clarified: "This is not to say we would be in complete lockdown" that long

 

[David O'Day]

Dr Faucci predicting 100 to 200 thousand dead in the USA. That's brutal.

 

[Johhny Blue]

At least we can elect and scrutinise our government without fear of our family been sent to correction centres

How's that working out?

 

[Magwitch]

Regardless of what happens Brexit will most certainly be delayed.

If it happens

 

[ccfc92]

Dr Faucci predicting 100 to 200 thousand dead in the USA. That's brutal.

Currently or over time?

 

[Johhny Blue]

Even in 40 years there will still be those so obsessed with the EU that they’ll still be ranting about it.

Especially in Sunderland

 

[David O'Day]

Currently or over time?

Over time

 

[Grendel]

It doesn’t suggest France are lying about deaths it says they don’t include care home deaths. If that’s their methodology and known then it seems to be the opposite of lying?

Maybe you shouldn’t be criticising European countries for the way they’ve handled the crises. Seeing as you’ll allow no criticism of our government and that you ridiculed those countries for going into lockdown last week when we followed days later.


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Eu countries are going their own ways. There was an Eu pandemic committee which fell apart as there was no consistent approach at all to the crises and it rapidly became survival of the fittest. Have Sweden locked down at all yet?

 

[Warwickhunt]

95 year old Neighbour says of the Virus " Its like living through Blitz You know the bombs are coming but you don't know which fucking house they are going to hit!" and compares the people who ignore the advice like the ones in the war who did not go into the shelters cos they thought it will not be them.

 

[Grendel]

Why do people have to lie about what the government says or advisors say? Dr Harries clarified what she said, that the 3 to 6 month period would be when they know how much effect the restriction measures would gave.

It is random I must admit why some people are at best misquoting

 

[Grendel]

How's that working out?

Very well as this thread proves. People criticising are still alive

 

[Grendel]

Inevitable

Coronavirus: Italy becoming impatient with lockdown - and social unrest is brewing

 

[clint van damme]

Dr Faucci predicting 100 to 200 thousand dead in the USA. That's brutal.

Trump has been totally negligent.
If he gets elected after this then his claim that he could shoot someone and people would still vote for him will be vindicated.

He is an absolute moron whose attitude is killing people.

 

[fatso]

Dr Faucci predicting 100 to 200 thousand dead in the USA. That's brutal.

Predictions mean fuck all, The original predictions for the UK death rate was around 500,000. That was later downgraded to 20,000. And according to today’s press, it’s been downgraded again to 5700, The only truth is, that Everyman and his dog has a different prediction, and governments tend to act on “worse case scenarios” for fear of facing a political backlash led by the press.
(No doubt the BBC would relish any chance to stick the knife into Boris)

The Brexit fiasco and the prediction of immediate collapse should show everyone that so called experts know very little.
Personally, I haven't got a clue how many might die, and while every death is tragic, I feel the impact will be far less than the “experts” predict. (Time will tell)

If the death rate is less than seasonal flu, then should we have lock down every winter? Or will history show that we have over reacted. And how long will the public tolerate lockdown? So far people have tolerated it well, but it’s only week 1. Also the long term effects on the economy, interest rates, job losses, family life, etc will be massive, Tax rises of some extent will be forthcoming,
and we may find the austerity measures of resent years will look like a walk in the park with what is to come.
It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out.

I can’t help wondering if all those who are praising Boris and his chancellor now, for their decisive action, will be quite as understandable when the treasury wants its cash back.

 

[clint van damme]

Predictions mean fuck all, The original predictions for the UK death rate was around 500,000. That was later downgraded to 20,000. And according to today’s press, it’s been downgraded again to 5700, The only truth is, that Everyman and his dog has a different prediction, and governments tend to act on “worse case scenarios” for fear of facing a political backlash led by the press.
(No doubt the BBC would relish any chance to stick the knife into Boris)

The Brexit fiasco and the prediction of immediate collapse should show everyone that so called experts know very little.
Personally, I haven't got a clue how many might die, and while every death is tragic, I feel the impact will be far less than the “experts” predict. (Time will tell)

If the death rate is less than seasonal flu, then should we have lock down every winter? Or will history show that we have over reacted. And how long will the public tolerate lockdown? So far people have tolerated it well, but it’s only week 1. Also the long term effects on the economy, interest rates, job losses, family life, etc will be massive, Tax rises of some extent will be forthcoming,
and we may find the austerity measures of resent years will look like a walk in the park with what is to come.
It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out.

I can’t help wondering if all those who are praising Boris and his chancellor now, for their decisive action, will be quite as understandable when the treasury wants its cash back.

They've ignored advice at every turn
Their first recorded case was the same day as South Korea
Look at how the two countries have responded. They're fucked. A lot of good people are going to die unnecessarily.

 

[djr8369]

Eu countries are going their own ways. There was an Eu pandemic committee which fell apart as there was no consistent approach at all to the crises and it rapidly became survival of the fittest. Have Sweden locked down at all yet?

So nothing in their about France lying then?

So now you’re criticising the EU for not having a consistent approach? It’s almost like they work on a collaborative basis and if members don’t agree they don’t do something. If the council had tried to force a consistent approach you’d be calling them authoritarian.


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[Grendel]

They've ignored advice at every turn
Their first recorded case was the same day as South Korea
Look at how the two countries have responded. They're fucked. A lot of good people are going to die unnecessarily.

So has every country across the mighty EU then

 

[Ring Of Steel]

How's that working out?

Lol

I like it when you show up

 

[fernandopartridge]

Dr Faucci predicting 100 to 200 thousand dead in the USA. That's brutal.

100k dead there is equivalent to 20k here

 

[Grendel]

So nothing in their about France lying then?

So now you’re criticising the EU for not having a consistent approach? It’s almost like they work on a collaborative basis and if members don’t agree they don’t do something. If the council had tried to force a consistent approach you’d be calling them authoritarian.


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Im merely quoting the Guardian - it made a comment regarding France not me

 

[Sick Boy]

Trump has been totally negligent.
If he gets elected after this then his claim that he could shoot someone and people would still vote for him will be vindicated.

He is an absolute moron whose attitude is killing people.

Sounds like the Tories in the UK, look at the likes of Cummings and that tosspot he hired.

 

[djr8369]

95 year old Neighbour says of the Virus " Its like living through Blitz You know the bombs are coming but you don't know which fucking house they are going to hit!" and compares the people who ignore the advice like the ones in the war who did not go into the shelters cos they thought it will not be them.

The mental burden reminds me very much of my time in Iraq where we were shelled everyday for months. Waiting for something effectively invisible to fly thriving the air and kill you.


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[Ring Of Steel]

Predictions mean fuck all, The original predictions for the UK death rate was around 500,000. That was later downgraded to 20,000. And according to today’s press, it’s been downgraded again to 5700, The only truth is, that Everyman and his dog has a different prediction, and governments tend to act on “worse case scenarios” for fear of facing a political backlash led by the press.
(No doubt the BBC would relish any chance to stick the knife into Boris)

The Brexit fiasco and the prediction of immediate collapse should show everyone that so called experts know very little.
Personally, I haven't got a clue how many might die, and while every death is tragic, I feel the impact will be far less than the “experts” predict. (Time will tell)

If the death rate is less than seasonal flu, then should we have lock down every winter? Or will history show that we have over reacted. And how long will the public tolerate lockdown? So far people have tolerated it well, but it’s only week 1. Also the long term effects on the economy, interest rates, job losses, family life, etc will be massive, Tax rises of some extent will be forthcoming,
and we may find the austerity measures of resent years will look like a walk in the park with what is to come.
It will certainly be interesting to see how this plays out.

I can’t help wondering if all those who are praising Boris and his chancellor now, for their decisive action, will be quite as understandable when the treasury wants its cash back.

that’s the sword hanging over everyone’s neck. I’d be very, very hesitant to take advantage of any scheme because as someone once said, there are only two certainties in the world, death and taxes- and after the deaths the people at the top will want their pound of flesh. Plus interest.

 

[djr8369]

Im merely quoting the Guardian - it made a comment regarding France not me

You didn’t quote though you stated the article said something it did not just because you hate the EU and it’s members.


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[Ring Of Steel]

You didn’t quote though you stated the article said something it did not just because you hate the EU and it’s members.


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It’s every other country apart from U.K. and USA funnily enough. And you’ll never change his mind- he’ll keep trawling the internet for every tidbit he can find that hints at problems in other countries.

 

[clint van damme]

So has every country across the mighty EU then

I think he will be shown to have displayed a particular level of negligence.
When this is done and the inquests are completed there no doubt that every country will hilights things they could have done different which would have saved more lives but I don't 5hink there will be anything on the level of the US.

 

[Grendel]

You didn’t quote though you stated the article said something it did not just because you hate the EU and it’s members.


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No I was pointing out the fact the Eu I all over the place and the article chose to point out a discrepancy in France and it’s reporting

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Dr Faucci predicting 100 to 200 thousand dead in the USA. That's brutal.

Low end too. Could be 1.5m

 

[Grendel]

I think he will be shown to have displayed a particular level of negligence.
When this is done and the inquests are completed there no doubt that every country will hilights things they could have done different which would have saved more lives but I don't 5hink there will be anything on the level of the US.

We of course had to continue with EU freedom of movement rules until March which Korea was not hampered by

 

[Grendel]

It’s every other country apart from U.K. and USA funnily enough. And you’ll never change his mind- he’ll keep trawling the internet for every tidbit he can find that hints at problems in other countries.

You have spent the whole time on here “trawling the internet” and quote Guardian sources frequently. Don’t you like this one?

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Chinese markets are still selling bats | Daily Mail Online

Oh dear they are still selling bats too, will they ever learn? Disgraceful