Brighton Sky Blue
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Well this is why a 3-4 month flat UBI would have made more practical sense. Yes some will take a pay cut but it's probably the best the government could offer
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Well this is why a 3-4 month flat UBI would have made more practical sense. Yes some will take a pay cut but it's probably the best the government could offer
Ring Of Steel
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On BBC now
"There’s some confusion over the number of tests being carried out each day to see if people have coronavirus in the UK. On Sunday Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove suggested there had been 10,000 tests the previous day. Health Secretary Matt Hancock likewise tweeted that the 10,000 test figure had been reached - with the aim of reaching 25,000 within weeks. But now Social Care Minister Helen Whately says the government has in fact achieved the “capacity” for 10,000 tests – with the actual number carried out on the day in question being more like 7,000.
Adding to the confusion, Public Health England has tweeted that the latest figure, as of 09:00 GMT on Saturday, was 9,114. We’re checking the figures with the government and Public Health England. Testing is a sensitive matter, with the government under scrutiny over whether it has been aggressive enough in its approach. So any apparent anomaly in the figures could raise further questions about whether ministers have a handle on this critical issue - and whether the claims they’re making on ramping up testing are all that they seem."
You can't believe a single word they say. Not even in circumstances like this can they manage to tell the truth.
"There’s some confusion over the number of tests being carried out each day to see if people have coronavirus in the UK. On Sunday Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove suggested there had been 10,000 tests the previous day. Health Secretary Matt Hancock likewise tweeted that the 10,000 test figure had been reached - with the aim of reaching 25,000 within weeks. But now Social Care Minister Helen Whately says the government has in fact achieved the “capacity” for 10,000 tests – with the actual number carried out on the day in question being more like 7,000.
Adding to the confusion, Public Health England has tweeted that the latest figure, as of 09:00 GMT on Saturday, was 9,114. We’re checking the figures with the government and Public Health England. Testing is a sensitive matter, with the government under scrutiny over whether it has been aggressive enough in its approach. So any apparent anomaly in the figures could raise further questions about whether ministers have a handle on this critical issue - and whether the claims they’re making on ramping up testing are all that they seem."
You can't believe a single word they say. Not even in circumstances like this can they manage to tell the truth.
Brighton Sky Blue
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I'm thinking more if they're given the choice between £0 and £2,500
Sick Boy
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The big problem there is that a lot of work there is paid in cash and is ‘lavoro nero’ so they can’t claim money from the state.
No foodbanks here either.
chiefdave
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From what you write about salaries at JLR its no wonder they are losing money!
Ring Of Steel
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Its not just JLR, seems about standard for a company like that.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Really wish I'd graduated a few years after 2013
Brighton Sky Blue
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What's a so called engineer?
Brighton Sky Blue
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You should tell them that, I know one at the Solihull site
SkyBlueDom26
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I think the 'up to 6 months' is the governments way of pressuring people to stick to the rules and stay in... can see restrictions slowly being lifted after 3 but if they said that people would become more relaxed and less serious about the situation
tisza
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Same here. Black economy estimated at around 15% of GDP (although this is a big reduction after govt crackdown). But figure much higher amongst self employed.
We've had 4 burglaries in ours and neighbouring streets this past week. Just cash and cards, all whilst people are sleeping. That's why gun sales etc. are up here
Otis
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'up to 6 months' though, could result in hoarding and panic buying.
Brighton Sky Blue
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There isn't a shortage of food though, particularly fresh stuff. Fruit and veg remains abundant in the shop
The coventrian
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Dont get me wrong,I'd say we have some of the best engineers in the world but se havent half got some hangers on. Jobs for the boys etc. Clipboard is king lol.
SkyBlueDom26
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United Kingdom Coronavirus: 19,522 Cases and 1,228 Deaths - Worldometer
Some good info/graphs and comparisons on this page
Some good info/graphs and comparisons on this page
The coventrian
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Just curious but the recession of a few years ago how long did it last?
Ring Of Steel
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Well I'm not going to express opinions on the rights and wrongs, but its a fact and does illustrate the massive problems coming down the track.
If you're a decent young mid-manager at a large company then I'd say you're looking at something in the region of £50k basic, pension & benefits of some kind. As an estimate.
On that level of income you might have a mortgage of £500 to £1,000, you might have a couple of young kids, car loan and so on, and you can still leave reasonably enough, you have your career ahead of you. This stuff means that immediately you cannot pay your mortgage, you might not be able to pay for the car, its instant financial meltdown and in the space of a fortnight you've gone from stability to being at the mercy of the banks and with the prospect of no job because your employer caves in under the weight of having no income but a stupidly high cost base. And in the post-coronavirus shake up & levelling off that level of salary will not be easy to come by. There is no grey area, you are utterly fucked. There is a purely 'Capitalist Darwinian' view that some will take, that this will flush out the strong companies from the weak (and you already see markets moving wildly between industry sectors), but from a human point of view its not their fault they were put on packages like that, and now they're going to spend maybe a decade or more getting back on their feet.
I'm not expressing sympathy for them any more than anyone else, but this is going to be horrendous- anyone 'highly geared' is going to have one hell of a problem very soon if they work for a company that doesn't have cash reserves and/or relies on razor sharp timings on cashflows.
Ring Of Steel
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Some would argue it never ended and still guides decision making to this day. I would argue that the companies that didn't learn their lessons then are going to be the first to go under this time, ie the ones without significant cash reserves, silly contracts, bad supply chains and so on.
But I'd say probably 2011/2012 maybe for companies, for individuals as above, some people never recovered.
Brighton Sky Blue
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It isn't their fault they have been offered packages they probably shouldn't have been. I just feel a bit salty that I will do well to ever get to £50k despite the experience and qualifications that I worked hard for whereas sitting behind a desk doing bugger all can get people that type of pay packet. I know I sound childish saying 'it's not fair' but well, it isn't!
Grendel
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It would be £0 as it would shut
Otis
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We are talking about the general public here though. You just know that some will now panic even further.
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westcountry_skyblue
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Bloody glad I’ve never been unemployed,A week at home is more stressful and boring.
Been for plenty of exercise though!!
Been for plenty of exercise though!!
Liquid Gold
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If the result of all this is that employers are less scared of people working from home we could do a hell of a lot towards hitting our environmental targets.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Hope mine doesn't remote teaching is twice as hard as the real thing
clint van damme
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Did you get anywhere with the issue you were having at work?
Brighton Sky Blue
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The missus has been complaining of stomach upset because I'm not cooking enough 'proper food'. I was in fact cooking the stuff that her folks piled up in the kitchen.
Ring Of Steel
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No I agree with you, it isn't fair, and I feel the urge to reiterate, I am not bleating on their behalf. All I was saying is that many people tend to gear their lifestyle and expenditure to their income, and they are going to be massively hit because not only are they going to struggle to make ends meet short term, they may well find themselves owing many thousands to lenders for several years to come. They might genuinely never recover from this.
Being the 'hippy' I am similar to your good self, I used to be pretty high up in a company (a Chinese owned company certain posters will be delighted to hear
) but hated it, got totally, utterly disillusioned with the way the world works (yes, including the Chinese way, could tell many stories there) and now I don't have many 'things', I don't have 'stuff', I will be just as fucked as everyone else, I can't see how my employer will be able to survive, but well, what can you do. As long as my family, kids, friends, as many people as possible come out with their health intact, we can all rebuild until the next time the way we live comes back and bites us royally in the arse. But we seriously have to change the way we live, or this will repeat itself every few years, there is no doubt about that.
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westcountry_skyblue
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I accepted furlough in the end as if I didn’t going down the employment law route could have taken years with courts closed.
My owner said it wasn’t his idea to shut but the governments,He is paying the extra 20% as a thank you.
Be interesting in the long run if this goes on for months and not just my employer but thousands others remain shut.
clint van damme
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Nice one. Enough to worry about at the moment without stressing about paying the bills
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westcountry_skyblue
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At least I’m being paid and can provide for my kids,They are the world to me!! PUSB
Feel sorry for the ones not so fortunate as me.
My sister has the virus atm caught it on the frontline at UHCW but she’s coming through it at home,All she says is not the correct PPE atm for them.
First thing she said this morning on the phone was,I need to get back in on Saturday to help the victims and my colleagues!!
Feel sorry for the ones not so fortunate as me.
My sister has the virus atm caught it on the frontline at UHCW but she’s coming through it at home,All she says is not the correct PPE atm for them.
First thing she said this morning on the phone was,I need to get back in on Saturday to help the victims and my colleagues!!
clint van damme
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Cummings self isolating now.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Hopefully he does it in outer space
SkyBlueDom26
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Issuing Immunity certificates, hopefully we can get them testing kits working asap so we can follow this route
fernandopartridge
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Health minister was on the radio this morning, of course 10k tests is the current capacity but they actually did 7k yesterday. It is just one lie after another from the cabinet.
Brighton Sky Blue
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As an aside I requested a refund from Aer Lingus for flights in April but despite having confirmation of it being processed I'm still getting e-mails about the upcoming flights and I don't see it even being cancelled. Can't get through to them on the phone either.