Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (216 Viewers)

[SkyBlueCharlie9]

Government should have absolutely been aware of this - this documentary produced by BBC aired on 22 Mar 2018. Hindsight is easy yes but Government have fcuked up big style, if they had listened to Scientists. However last few years with ranting styles of idiots like Trump & Boris shout 'fake news' now mean its rife for unqualified celebrities/journalists/politicians and the man in the street to know better than experts .... BBC iPlayer - Contagion: The BBC Four Pandemic .. The Tory focus on austerity of the Public Sector and obsession with Brexit in last few years has massively backfired. Its a crying shame.

 

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[Flying Fokker]

Government spending 75 million on bringing people home.

I'm sure there are many people that are genuinely trapped and have been trying to get home for a while, but I'm not being funny, this has been going on for months.

I don't feel sorry for a backpacker in the Philippines who was getting pissed and couldn't be arsed to come home. There must be a hell of a lot of people that were being irresponsible and now we have to shell out more for it.

Some of them couldn’t wait to get away. Oh well. I hope they pay for their fares home. There are a lot of people taking a hit over here so why not?

 

[Johnnythespider]

So every Tuesday is also the weekends figures? Is that why its such a sharp rise?

The last 2 weekends figures have been
21st 56
22nd 48
23rd 54
24th 87
28th 260
29th 209
30th 180
31st 393

 

[Flying Fokker]

I know of an elderly man who has just died of Coronavirus in Burton-on Trent. Liver, kidney sepsis corona.

it’s so sad for the relatives who had to say goodbye yesterday. Died on his own this morning.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

393 deaths in uk last 24 hours

It was always going to happen unfortunately

 

[clint van damme]

Figures are up to 5pm the day before. So this is Sun 5 - Mon 5 today. Monday is Sat-Sun and so on.

The theory I have, though aware those better in the know like @MalcSB disagree, is that for various reasons numbers are lower at the weekend. Which is quite normal in a lot of datasets.

there were deaths from the 16th in Sundays figures. I was reading an article yesterday which explained why there's a whole raft of reasons for the lag.

 

[shmmeee]

One for Grendel and David to get on, live chat with the guy who makes “the graph”

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Was hoping it would drop agsin it’s near enough doubled.

21 year old died no health conditions in the uk

I honestly don't understand how you'd think it would drop again?

 

[shmmeee]

there were deaths from the 16th in Sundays figures. I was reading an article yesterday which explained why there's a whole raft of reasons for the lag.

I’d like to read that if you’ve got a link. I think there’s lots of reasons for noise throughout TBF.

 

[mr_monkey]

No this is a new case in the last 24 hours mate

No known underlying health issues

 

[clint van damme]

I’d like to read that if you’ve got a link. I think there’s lots of reasons for noise throughout TBF.

this isn't the article but it's very similar and a bit shorter so maybe the original was syndicated and they've edited it down but it gives you the same overall picture:

What do the new coronavirus death statistics tell us?

 

[Johnnythespider]

I honestly don't understand how you'd think it would drop again?

Misinformation going around, suggesting we might all be going back to normal in a couple of weeks, despite the deputy M.O saying it could be 6 months on Sunday.

 

[David O'Day]

No known underlying health issues

No one has very said it can't kill healthy young people.

Let's not fixate on individual ages, every death is tragic

 

[Ring Of Steel]

NHS saying there is a shortage of masks, goggles and gowns.

Spokesman for Boris Johnson saying there is no lack of masks, goggles and gowns and that he "hasn't seen any evidence of shortages".

Who do you believe?

UK ‘wasting time’ on NHS protective gear orders

 

[David O'Day]

Misinformation going around, suggesting we might all be going back to normal in a couple of weeks, despite the deputy M.O saying it could be 6 months on Sunday.

She didn't really say that

 

[Ring Of Steel]

No this is a new case in the last 24 hours mate

Where did you see this reported?

 

[fernandopartridge]

No one has very said it can't kill healthy young people.

Let's not fixate on individual ages, every death is tragic

Yep, and these people are still very much the exceptional edge cases.

 

[cc84cov]

Where did you see this reported?

19 she was

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yep, and these people are still very much the exceptional edge cases.

Yep, what's going to do for me is the heart attack from worrying about it if I'm not careful (decided not to check this thread, foolishly broke it, relieved to at least have your post as the one it sent me to first! I can deal in reality, not in fear, panic and worry)

 

[Sick Boy]

Italy:
Deaths: 837
Positives: 2107
Recovered: 1109

As you can see the reporting of 4,000 odd new cases in the UK media yesterday was not correct, the figure they were quoting is these combined, so very misleading.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Italy:
Deaths: 837
Positives: 2107

Similar as yesterday then mate? At least the rapid acceleration has stopped

 

[fernandopartridge]

Italy:
Deaths: 837
Positives: 2107

Come on mate, I wouldn't say it's positive

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Italy:
Deaths: 837
Positives: 2107

Great news on the positives, lowest since March 12th I think.. deaths horrific.. but makes sense.

Feels so shit talking about people dying in those terms.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

We are testing anti malaria drugs now apparently

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Similar as yesterday then mate? At least the rapid acceleration has stopped

For those who don't like the log graphs, here's a good place to get the daily numbers & trends
Italy Coronavirus: 105,792 Cases and 12,428 Deaths - Worldometer

 

[Sick Boy]

Similar as yesterday then mate? At least the rapid acceleration has stopped

Fairly similar yes, I think it’ll be a week before it gets better.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Great news on the positives, lowest since March 12th I think.. deaths horrific.. but makes sense.

Feels so shit talking about people dying in those terms.

So... am I right in saying that the deaths are going to increase in Italy now due to the time lag following the huge spike in new cases that were recorded there? And as new cases slows down a bit, deaths will also slow down a few days after?

 

[Liquid Gold]

For those who don't like the log graphs, here's a good place to get the daily numbers & trends
Italy Coronavirus: 105,792 Cases and 12,428 Deaths - Worldometer

This data doesn't really count for anything until we can get something out to the wider population to test for antibodies and get a more accurate picture.

I've got a friend that's pranging about it because she has heart problems, it would send her over the edge if she looked at a 93% fatality rate in the UK when in reality it's going to be nothing like that.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

This data doesn't really count for anything until we can get something out to the wider population to test for antibodies and get a more accurate picture.

I've got a friend that's pranging about it because she has heart problems, it would send her over the edge if she looked at a 93% fatality rate in the UK when in reality it's going to be nothing like that.

Yes, you are right. I just look at it to see the daily movement in new cases really, I can never remember the previous days by the time the new data gets released.

 

[Johnnythespider]

She didn't really say that

UK coronavirus restrictions could last six months – deputy chief medical officer

 

[David O'Day]

UK coronavirus restrictions could last six months – deputy chief medical officer

But if you'd actually watched the press briefing yesterday she clarified she meant it could 3 to 6 months before we know if the restrictions worked as they hoped.

Piss poor article that only takes half of what she said.

 

[Liquid Gold]

UK coronavirus restrictions could last six months – deputy chief medical officer

"So I think three weeks for review. Two or three months to see whether we’ve really squashed it, with about three to six months ideally, and lots of uncertainty in that, but then to see at which point we can actually get back to normal. It is plausible that it could go further than that"

 

[skybluetony176]

why don't they concentrate on hitting the targets set for testing people rather than fucking about with apps that track people after a lock down which no one currently knows will end. Sounds like a load of bollocks to me.

Why do you hate the U.K. so much. Would you rather live in Italy blah blah blah.

 

[skybluetony176]

I get the sentiment but i highly doubt the bloke sat developing an app is the same one frantically building testing kits

But they could use the money they’re paying to set up an absolutely pointless app on paying materials and labour to build test kits instead.

 

[MalcSB]

Appreciate that - although i dont think money is necessarily the constraint in number of tests either, although i may be incorrect. I thought it was more logistics of not having enough

Money isn’t a constraint, availability of apparatus and reagents are.