Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (173 Viewers)

[hill83]

That's an interesting argument however. I mean, does it validate the idea of private healthcare? Does that give government the excuse not to fund state healthcare better?

They don’t need an excuse to be fair. No doubt people would argue against it but for me I’d happily pay more tax towards the NHS and pay for health insurance on top. I’m a hypocrite because I’ve been saying it for years but never done it. But it’s the thought that counts for now.

 

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[Ring Of Steel]

Yeah, if I could afford for my whole family to have private health insurance, then I'd obviously pay for it. Maybe the extra £45/£50 per week would pay for it.
However I think the amount I've paid in tax for the NHS should cover us and I'd be willing to pay more.

Me and the wife have had some real shit times. The NHS has been there for us every step of our most darkest of times.
I'd rather I paid for that. Rather than pay for private healthcare. I'd like to help other people that are in the situations we've been in.


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I have to, not really an NHS here, I pay about €200 per month. Soon as coronavirus happened all the private hospitals were requisitioned and are now public hospitals- there is a great moral lesson in there somewhere.

 

[hill83]

I had meningitis and meningococcal septicaemia when I was 4. My parents were told I was going to die. I was in hospital for 4 weeks. I can remember having injections all day every day and the needles in my hands being changed every couple of hours. I was one of the few people to survive that disease without any side effects. (losing limbs or dying etc). My mum was a single parent on benefits at the time. I literally owe my life to our NHS.

This has only really hit home for me since having my own son. My mum was 21 at the time. Barely an adult herself.

 

[cc84cov]

I would say...

Many years of underfunding, neglect, secretly privatising the NHS, running it down, trying to introduce US Healthcare processes- it’s no surprise the NHS was under strain. An average Conservative does not believe in an NHS, it’s an alien concept to them. So they cut funding, lost nurses, refused pay rises, started deporting key medical staff etc etc. But Boris is just the latest of people do that, that started before him. Not all on him. You could even say he’s unlucky that this happened on his watch because whenever it happened the guy in charge was going to have a tough time after they’d stripped the NHS to the bone.

What is on him, and only him, is the shambolic response he’s been in charge of. Virtually every single thing he had to do he got wrong. Wrong advisors, wrong advice, wrong strategy, bad communication, no equipment, all compounded by piles of lies and his usual routine of disappearing completely as soon as the going gets tough. It was always going to be hard going, but the actions of this government have exponentially made it worse. Any other walk of life and he’d be immediately sacked along with a few more in there, in this case it’ll be spun into a triumph. Any success that does happen from now is down to the people in the NHS, and only them, it’s not the government- if we do get it under control then it then it will be in spite of the government.

As an example- these ventilators we keep being told are on the way, about to be ramped up- 10,000 from Dyson and all that great stuff. Good news is, we’ve got more ventilators.... 30 of them. Just watch the reaction on the face of the newsreader here, she can’t even hide the incredulity at it.

Jesus that’s bad 30 ??? Wtf

I fully agree with you mate he’s been like a rabbit in the head lights I’m currently in a group chat with my pals who all think Boris is the right man for the job I don’t get why people rate this guy ? But then again they earn good money and prob back him over keeping tax down etc

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I had meningitis and meningococcal septicaemia when I was 4. My parents were told I was going to die. I was in hospital for 4 weeks. I can remember having injections all day every day and the needles in my hands being changed every couple of hours. I was one of the few people to survive that disease without any side effects. (losing limbs or dying etc). My mum was a single parent on benefits at the time. I literally owe my life to our NHS.

This has only really hit home for me since having my own son. My mum was 21 at the time. Barely an adult herself.

i reckon the NHS is just about one of the most brilliant things this country ever did.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Didn't know that.

Yeah once you get above a certain income you have to get private insurance, below that the state and your employer pay. Think they did an analysis where they found that was one of the only ways of keeping the costs and resources under control in the single payer system.

Ours is in need of a review

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Jesus that’s bad 30 ??? Wtf

look at her expression when she reads it

 

[cc84cov]

look at her expression when she reads it

Just added some more to my post mate

 

[hill83]

I also punched someone in the back of the head when I was pissed outside the Colly and broke my hand. I literally owe my hand to our NHS too. Not my best moment. But compare that to when my mate squeezed a Guinness glass and it shattered and cut his hand to bits when we were in Toronto. He had travel insurance. Went to the nearest hospital. They wanted $1000 upfront. He came back to the pub with a plastic bag on his hand instead. We were students at the time and didn’t have that sort of cash available.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Jesus that’s bad 30 ??? Wtf

I fully agree with you mate he’s been like a rabbit in the head lights I’m currently in a group chat with my pals who all think Boris is the right man for the job I don’t get why people rate this guy ? But then again they earn good money and prob back him over keeping tax down etc

The fact that there is absolutely zero credible opposition out there in the eyes of the public certainly doesn’t help. Lots of it is lying too, spin and bullshit are now more important than achievement and fact.

 

[hill83]

Yeah once you get above a certain income you have to get private insurance, below that the state and your employer pay. Think they did an analysis where they found that was one of the only ways of keeping the costs and resources under control in the single payer system.

Ours is in need of a review

Never going to work here, teeming with I’m alright jack selfish earn a bit of cash I’m middle class now wankers. Who fail to realise they are homeless after 3 months with no earnings like the rest of us.

Hopefully the only good thing to come out of everything that’s going on will be people realising they aren’t invincible and socialism within reason is the way forward. Probably gone too far there but I’ve had 3 bottles of red and I don’t give a fuck.

 

[Sick Boy]

I would say...

Many years of underfunding, neglect, secretly privatising the NHS, running it down, trying to introduce US Healthcare processes- it’s no surprise the NHS was under strain. An average Conservative does not believe in an NHS, it’s an alien concept to them. So they cut funding, lost nurses, refused pay rises, started deporting key medical staff etc etc. But Boris is just the latest of people do that, that started before him. Not all on him. You could even say he’s unlucky that this happened on his watch because whenever it happened the guy in charge was going to have a tough time after they’d stripped the NHS to the bone.

What is on him, and only him, is the shambolic response he’s been in charge of. Virtually every single thing he had to do he got wrong. Wrong advisors, wrong advice, wrong strategy, bad communication, no equipment, all compounded by piles of lies and his usual routine of disappearing completely as soon as the going gets tough. It was always going to be hard going, but the actions of this government have exponentially made it worse. Any other walk of life and he’d be immediately sacked along with a few more in there, in this case it’ll be spun into a triumph. Any success that does happen from now is down to the people in the NHS, and only them, it’s not the government- if we do get it under control then it then it will be in spite of the government.

As an example- these ventilators we keep being told are on the way, about to be ramped up- 10,000 from Dyson and all that great stuff. Good news is, we’ve got more ventilators.... 30 of them. Just watch the reaction on the face of the newsreader here, she can’t even hide the incredulity at it.

Not many left defending the government now on this are there? Only the dedicated cap doffers remain.

 

[wingy]

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[cc84cov]

I would say...

Many years of underfunding, neglect, secretly privatising the NHS, running it down, trying to introduce US Healthcare processes- it’s no surprise the NHS was under strain. An average Conservative does not believe in an NHS, it’s an alien concept to them. So they cut funding, lost nurses, refused pay rises, started deporting key medical staff etc etc. But Boris is just the latest of people do that, that started before him. Not all on him. You could even say he’s unlucky that this happened on his watch because whenever it happened the guy in charge was going to have a tough time after they’d stripped the NHS to the bone.

What is on him, and only him, is the shambolic response he’s been in charge of. Virtually every single thing he had to do he got wrong. Wrong advisors, wrong advice, wrong strategy, bad communication, no equipment, all compounded by piles of lies and his usual routine of disappearing completely as soon as the going gets tough. It was always going to be hard going, but the actions of this government have exponentially made it worse. Any other walk of life and he’d be immediately sacked along with a few more in there, in this case it’ll be spun into a triumph. Any success that does happen from now is down to the people in the NHS, and only them, it’s not the government- if we do get it under control then it then it will be in spite of the government.

As an example- these ventilators we keep being told are on the way, about to be ramped up- 10,000 from Dyson and all that great stuff. Good news is, we’ve got more ventilators.... 30 of them. Just watch the reaction on the face of the newsreader here, she can’t even hide the incredulity at it.

How can I copy this link mate to that video ?

 

[David O'Day]

Not many left defending the government now on this are there? Only the dedicated cap doffers remain.

There is a fella who thinks boris has done so well he will be bulletproof after this

 

[David O'Day]

Never going to work here, teeming with I’m alright jack selfish earn a bit of cash I’m middle class now wankers. Who fail to realise they are homeless after 3 months with no earnings like the rest of us.

Hopefully the only good thing to come out of everything that’s going on will be people realising they aren’t invincible and socialism within reason is the way forward. Probably gone too far there but I’ve had 3 bottles of red and I don’t give a fuck.

The political landscape will shift left towards a more Scandinavian model.

 

[hill83]

The political landscape will shift left towards a more Scandinavian model.

I really fucking hope so. Can’t see it though. Too many dickheads.

 

[covmark]

I had meningitis and meningococcal septicaemia when I was 4. My parents were told I was going to die. I was in hospital for 4 weeks. I can remember having injections all day every day and the needles in my hands being changed every couple of hours. I was one of the few people to survive that disease without any side effects. (losing limbs or dying etc). My mum was a single parent on benefits at the time. I literally owe my life to our NHS.

This has only really hit home for me since having my own son. My mum was 21 at the time. Barely an adult herself.

I'd like to add to this, with my story of our amazing NHS.

My Mrs became pregnant around 1 year into our relationship. She had Hyperemesis. A condition that is completely debilitating. Think morning sickness x1000. She was admitted to hospital around 30 times throughout her pregnancy. Everytime the NHS was there to look after her.
We had a happy baby boy.
He was born quite early, so he had to stay in NICU. He lived on a ventilator for a week.
The NHS looked after him, and saved his life.

Fast forward 4 years. My wife was pregnant again. We debated a termination, because memories of the first pregnancy were still fresh in our minds.
We went through with the pregnancy, with all the horrendous sickness of the first time.
However this time we weren't so lucky. Our baby was stillborn. Unimaginable grief.
The doctors and nurses were truly amazing. They really looked after us.

Fast forward another year. I don't know why we did, but we decided we would try for another baby.
We had the same sickness problems, maybe not quite as bad, although my Mrs was admitted to hospital many times.
We had a beautiful daughter who, again was looked after by our amazing NHS.

The amount of gratitude our owe to the NHS is immeasurable.

I'd pay whatever it would take to keep this amazing institution going.


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[SeaSeeEffCee]

The political landscape will shift left towards a more Scandinavian model.

No chance, the press won't allow it.

 

[cc84cov]

I’m still having running battles with people who think Boris I’ll quote (is the right man for the job)

 

[David O'Day]

No chance, the press won't allow it.

I don't think the press will be able to gloss over the damage neoliberalism has done this time.

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[Sky Blue Pete]

How high do we think us one day figures will get? 100000?

trump looks like such a twat

My friend is really poorly so I now think it’s a bad thing. Tit

 

[Liquid Gold]

i reckon the NHS is just about one of the most brilliant things this country ever did.

And we managed to do it coming out of a world war that bankrupted the country and destroyed our entire infrastructure. We were living of handouts running at an awful deficit but the people that lives through the darkest period in our history knew it was the right thing to do.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

How can I copy this link mate to that video ?

I have no idea! Best thing may be to copy the link itself? https://twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1245368530029117441?s=21

It’s https:// then add this, no spaces:
twitter.com/haggis_uk/status/1245368530029117441?s=21

 

[hill83]

I’m still having running battles with people who think Boris I’ll quote (is the right man for the job)

I stopped discussing anything political with anyone about a year and a half ago. It’s become like a cult now and whatever you say to ‘the other side’ regardless of which ‘side’ you are on makes no difference. I’ll pipe up on here now and again after a beer but other than that I’ve completely shut myself down to it.

I’m sure people were saying the exact same thing 50 years ago and all throughout history to be fair. But either way. I don’t talk about it anymore.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I’m still having running battles with people who think Boris I’ll quote (is the right man for the job)

you can’t teach stupid

 

[cc84cov]

Question

If we had another election now who would win & why ?

 

[hill83]

Question

If we had another election now who would win ?

Hills Big Dick Red Wine Drinking Gif Posting Party Boys.

 

[Johhny Blue]

I also punched someone in the back of the head when I was pissed outside the Colly and broke my hand. I literally owe my hand to our NHS too. Not my best moment. But compare that to when my mate squeezed a Guinness glass and it shattered and cut his hand to bits when we were in Toronto. He had travel insurance. Went to the nearest hospital. They wanted $1000 upfront. He came back to the pub with a plastic bag on his hand instead. We were students at the time and didn’t have that sort of cash available.

As a Dubliner I feel sorry for the glass

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I stopped discussing anything political with anyone about a year and a half ago. It’s become like a cult now and whatever you say to ‘the other side’ regardless of which ‘side’ you are on makes no difference. I’ll pipe up on here now and again after a beer but other than that I’ve completely shut myself down to it.

I’m sure people were saying the exact same thing 50 years ago and all throughout history to be fair. But either way. I don’t talk about it anymore.

i know what you mean exactly. All semblance of balance has gone. I don’t even know all that much about the politicians themselves- I know a joke and a shambles when I see one, but point it out and you’re immediately embroiled in a barrage of nonsense about brexit, foreign policy, immigration, loony lefties, Corbyn the terrorist, its impossible to point anything out without the fundamentalists on both sides having a hernia at typing their abuse so fast

 

[hill83]

As a Dubliner I feel sorry for the glass

It was one of those strangely thin glasses that you just have to test. It happened to me in Amsterdam years before. Thin, slightly bendy, so you test it, then it breaks and it’s too late.

 

[hill83]

i know what you mean exactly. All semblance of balance has gone. I don’t even know all that much about the politicians themselves- I know a joke and a shambles when I see one, but point it out and you’re immediately embroiled in a barrage of nonsense about brexit, foreign policy, immigration, loony lefties, Corbyn the terrorist, its impossible to point anything out without the fundamentalists on both sides having a hernia at typing their abuse so fast

So do you believe the earth isn’t flat then?

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Question

If we had another election now who would win & why ?

Conservative, there is no opposition. If I had to pick someone it would be green, but no doubt the usual suspects would pour scorn on that as well. But I do think that once the honeymoon period wears off this government will crash and burn in a huge way. There’s got to come a point where lying doesn’t work any more, surely at some stage people will look for actual results.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

So do you believe the earth isn’t flat then?

Lol, I’m fairly secure in the belief it’s not flat, correct

 

[SeaSeeEffCee]

I don't think the press will be able to gloss over the damage neoliberalism has done this time.

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You only have to read the posts from certain members on here to see how willing some people are to eat up whatever the press serve to them. I sincerely hope you're right but the last 5 years give me zero faith.