Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (44 Viewers)

[Ring Of Steel]

This whole week has been awful for them.

Week? I'd say all of 2020 has been a fucking write-off- the Coronavirus was all over social media right from the end of 2019 when the first cases were diagnosed & it became obvious that we were dealing with a very, very lethal disease. Nobody realised that it would spread like this, but you've got to assume most governments were bricking it right from when the NYE celebrations died down.

 

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[shmmeee]

Nobody cares about the policies, they go with their gut and its an emotional decision- Tories know how to make the masses feel sure that they are the only ones who can lead, and they have the media behind them- Labour are a million miles off the pace no matter what policies they have.

The Tories focus on winning elections, Labour focus on “what’s right”. I wish we took winning elections seriously.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Nobody cares about the policies, they go with their gut and its an emotional decision- Tories know how to make the masses feel sure that they are the only ones who can lead, and they have the media behind them- Labour are a million miles off the pace no matter what policies they have.

Well that’s kind of proving Clint’s point. Bernie Sanders and Labour both win with under 45s by fairly large margins. Biden and the Tories win with over 45s in equally large margins but that age group a) turns out in higher numbers and b) relies more on mainstream news coverage. In order to win, the left would need to target older voters hard and get the press on side. Which is hard to do when the press barons are best mates with the Tories so you have to focus on getting matey with journalists further down.

I think they could do that without compromising their younger support.

 

[fernandopartridge]

While the NHS staff continue to be truly remarkable, I think this crisis has certainly brought some of the massive inefficiencies within the organisation into sharp focus.
Hospitals have been struggling for months/years to discharge fully fit patients & free up bed space.....then as if by magic, a layer of lower clip-board management go home to self isolate & the clinicians remove a few pointless tick-box exercises & bingo......mass exodus of bed blockers.

I think (and hope) this crisis will precipitate the true modernisation of the NHS across the full spectrum of services.
GP phone/skype triage to filter appointments, Dedicated express discharge teams, Greater partnerships with private innovators & tech start-ups,
better deals from suppliers bullied by unrivalled centralised buying power.....the opportunities for improvement appear endless....

......Nice dream I suppose.

All of these things already exist. What's happening now is that things are just being cancelled and people are remaining in their homes, it is nothing to do with middle management being at home

 

[David O'Day]

Folk who whinge about socialism need to wear a badge saying "I don't to pay my fair share of tax and pay for properly funded public services and a just society"

 

[Ring Of Steel]

950 new deaths in spain and 8102 new cases up from yesterday, prayers for Spain

I think its quite likely that Spain will overtake Italy as the worst affected.

At this stage only us and USA are still showing deaths accelerating

 

[shmmeee]

950 new deaths in spain and 8102 new cases up from yesterday, prayers for Spain

Deaths pretty stable though, let’s hope we’re only a couple of days from the drop down the other side of the curve. God knows we need some light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

The Tories focus on winning elections, Labour focus on “what’s right”. I wish we took winning elections seriously.

You sum it up perfectly. Tories don't really even need to do much between elections (as we see now), they just turn into election machines once every 5 years and get back into power.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Deaths pretty stable though, let’s hope we’re only a couple of days from the drop down the other side of the curve. God knows we need some light at the end of the tunnel.

Well yeah it will be 2 weeks from the coming Monday since the lockdown, i hope by next weekend we'll be the other side but how far ahead of us are spain?

 

[Nick]

Typical whinging leftie wanker.

It makes it feel like somebody else is doing it, to be fair.

 

[matesx]

prayers?

God knows...

Good luck with that.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Deaths pretty stable though, let’s hope we’re only a couple of days from the drop down the other side of the curve. God knows we need some light at the end of the tunnel.

USA and us are the exceptions now, we're the only ones still exponentially growing.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It makes it feel like somebody else is doing it, to be fair.

He wants to shoot holes in boats and bitches when he gets called out

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

Week? I'd say all of 2020 has been a fucking write-off- the Coronavirus was all over social media right from the end of 2019 when the first cases were diagnosed & it became obvious that we were dealing with a very, very lethal disease. Nobody realised that it would spread like this, but you've got to assume most governments were bricking it right from when the NYE celebrations died down.

You'd hope so, yet if they were bricking it when news broke from China the majority are clearly guilty of shoving their heads in the sand and hoping it all went away because no preventative measures were implemented by most governments until they were knee deep in shit. If anything comes from this whole situation I hope people become more proactive rather than reactive as such a mindset just doesn't work.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Well yeah it will be 2 weeks from the coming Monday since the lockdown, i hope by next weekend we'll be the other side but how far ahead of us are spain?

The graph above strips out the lag- like for like we are currently "better" than Spain were but heading in the wrong direction, by this time they had started to flatten out.

So when you read that we are potentially now just giving up on increasing testing and now waiting for the antibody test instead, testing half of what is reported, still failing to provide any equipment, its a tad worrying.

And yes I'm going to say it- the two countries with the two biggest fucking inept clowns in charge are now the outliers.

 

[CCFCSteve]

Have to disagree Steve in 2017 they were offered a raft of costed policies they liked along with a commitment to respect the referendum result and they voted in Theresa May who ran on continued cuts to public services.

Now they complain about the consequences

Can’t disagree BSB but 2017 was blurred by Brexit. I was more referring to 2019 with Clint. From memory, forgive me if I’m wrong (3 weeks is a long tome these days let a lone three years !), the 2017 manifesto (possibly with the exception of the repayment of student tuition fees - significantly reduce/remove interest 100% yes, but not sure no fees etc is fair on wider, non uni population) was actually a far more sensible manifesto. It was like they doubled down in 2019 and as indicated that’s because they were possibly more inward looking rather than considering what the country as a whole wanted/would vote for. Tory manifesto was poor in 2017 and May was lucky to just about get away with it.

ps I suppose my underlying point was that I don’t think the Tories unbeatable, if Labour got their act together with the right leader and right policies then no reason why they couldn’t win in future

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Can’t disagree BSB but 2017 was blurred by Brexit. I was more referring to 2019 with Clint. From memory the 2017 manifesto (possibly with the exception of the repayment of student tuition fees - significantly reduce/remove interest 100% yes, but not sure no fees etc is fair on wider, non uni population) was actually a far more sensible manifesto. It was like they doubled down in 2019 and as indicated that’s because they were possibly more inward looking rather than considering what the country as a whole wanted. Tory manifesto was poor in 2017 and May was lucky to just about get away with it.

I think 2019 was a desperate attempt to get attention away from Brexit which was why agreeing to the election at all was ridiculous. 2017 people thought Brexit was done-in 2019 that’s all it was about. I wanted the 2017 manifesto again with a commitment to ‘get Brexit done’. Would still have lost but kept the numbers intact

 

[skybluetony176]

Laughable.
It’s political editor is a Tory.
I’m sure Andrew Neil is too.

Did you see the clip of an angry American right wing political commentator and Trump apologist being interviewed by Andrew Neil and he accused Andrew Neil of being a looney left? Andrew Neil just left at him and said that if you understand what a ridiculous statement that is you wouldn’t have said it in the first place.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

I don't know about political parties being under serious pressure yet, but there is certainly a groundswell on social media against certain individuals at the moment

 

[MalcSB]

All of these things already exist. What's happening now is that things are just being cancelled and people are remaining in their homes, it is nothing to do with middle management being at home

And people who didn’t really need to go to A&E aren’t going to A&E.

 

[skybluetony176]

Folk who whinge about socialism need to wear a badge saying "I don't to pay my fair share of tax and pay for properly funded public services and a just society"

Yeah but would you rather live in North Korea

 

[fernandopartridge]

Can’t disagree BSB but 2017 was blurred by Brexit. I was more referring to 2019 with Clint. From memory, forgive me if I’m wrong (3 weeks is a long tome these days let a lone three years !), the 2017 manifesto (possibly with the exception of the repayment of student tuition fees - significantly reduce/remove interest 100% yes, but not sure no fees etc is fair on wider, non uni population) was actually a far more sensible manifesto. It was like they doubled down in 2019 and as indicated that’s because they were possibly more inward looking rather than considering what the country as a whole wanted/would vote for. Tory manifesto was poor in 2017 and May was lucky to just about get away with it.

ps I suppose my underlying point was that I don’t think the Tories unbeatable, if Labour got their act together with the right leader and right policies then no reason why they couldn’t win in future

What is unfair about funding tuition fees to the wider (non-university attending) population? Think about it in the context of what's going on now.

 

[David O'Day]

Yeah but would you rather live in North Korea

Someone once actually said that to me

 

[David O'Day]

What is unfair about funding tuition fees to the wider (non-university attending) population? Think about it in the context of what's going on now.

A good example is doctors, they are people society should be investing in.

 

[Ring Of Steel]

Someone once actually said that to me

grendel probably

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

11:22




The World Health Organisation has said that more than 95% of people who have died after testing positive for coronavirus in Europe have been over 60-years-old.

 

[fernandopartridge]

A good example is doctors, they are people society should be investing in.

Yeah, all sorts of reasons. I'm not university educated but would have absolutely no problem at all with higher education being fully funded, tuition fees are a disgrace.

 

[David O'Day]

But even if that's correct we've got the Sun, the Mail, the Times, the Telegraph to name a few. All supporters of the Tory party.

Clint Tom talks whiff at level not seen since the city arms beer garden shut.

Only the Jeremy Vine show they were having a pop at Starmer as he admits to using face moisturiser

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yeah, all sorts of reasons. I'm not university educated but would have absolutely no problem at all with higher education being fully funded, tuition fees are a disgrace.

At the moment about £100 a month of my pay is deducted for student loan and that doesn’t even cover the interest on the debt. Total’s around £35k last time I looked

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Clint Tom talks whiff at level not seen since the city arms beer garden shut.

Only the Jeremy Vine show they were having a pop at Starmer as he admits to using face moisturiser

LOONY LEFT BACKS KRUSTY KEIR

 

[Ring Of Steel]

11:22




The World Health Organisation has said that more than 95% of people who have died after testing positive for coronavirus in Europe have been over 60-years-old.

Its 82 in Ireland

 

[TomRad85]

Clint Tom talks whiff at level not seen since the city arms beer garden shut.

Only the Jeremy Vine show they were having a pop at Starmer as he admits to using face moisturiser

This coming from the man who's level of debate is swear at people until they go away.

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[Magwitch]

Prediction:
Government now starting to get serious questions about lack of promised testing, shortage of PPE not giving straight answers to simple questions etc etc. Boris and his trusted side kick Matt Hancock both having been out the way in isolation for a week will suddenly appear now fighting fit ready to lead and hey presto testing will rise PPE will start turning up and possibly new cases will reduce.
Praise be to our PM.

 

[SkyBlueCRJ]

The Tories focus on winning elections, Labour focus on “what’s right”. I wish we took winning elections seriously.

I'd agree to an extent, but Corbyn definitely stooped to Johnson's level on several occasions over the course of the election. A lot of his key policies were equally as flawed and in my eyes only served to get votes over the line. For instance, even if he wanted to there was no feasible way to achieve such promises as getting the UK carbon neutral by 2030 - which he was forced to abandon - and his subsequent pledge to get the UK to become carbon neutral by 2050 has since been questioned by numerous scientists. Whilst this is a policy you can't disagree with from a moral standpoint, he must've known this wasn't realistic from the get-go. Yet he still pushed such a pledge - you do have to question why that was.

There's no question that Labour's manifesto from an objective standpoint served to build a better and fairer Britain - but I think Corbyn played on that note a bit to hard, to the point where it just didn't appear genuine. Rather than solidify his own pledges he spent too much of his time trying to pick apart Johnson's manifesto and push the point that he had proof that the Conservatives were trying to flog off the NHS - with the latter in itself being incredibly dubious.

 

[Nick]

Its 82 in Ireland

Put some sun cream on.