Ideal Scenario (6 Viewers)

[TTG]

Seen Lots of different opinions - ignoring the logisitical nightmare, which option would you like to see?

please say if I have forgotten any

 

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[shmmeee]

I voted finish the season, but to be honest if it’s like September and players have moved on or whatever I’d probably say call it as it is, it all starts to get a bit messy once you get past summer.

 

[TTG]

I voted finish the season, but to be honest if it’s like September and players have moved on or whatever I’d probably say call it as it is, it all starts to get a bit messy once you get past summer.

I guess it's like the would you go to stans threads - I never said yes or no until it was announced and certain what would happen

 

[Ian1779]

A null and void scenario would kill British football once and for all.

 

[ajsccfc]

Ideally the season would complete, but as time goes on I'd go for any outcome that doesn't pretend six months of football never happened.

 

[hill83]

Call it points per game now. I highly doubt the season is finishing. We are in this for the long haul.

I’ll even call next season possibly not starting on time by a long way.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Call it points per game now. I highly doubt the season is finishing. We are in this for the long haul.

I’ll even call next season possibly not starting on time by a long way.

So why call this season now? If next season isn't likely to start on time why put pressure on two separate seasons. Finish this one, see where we are and if there's no time to play next season sack it off and restart with 2021/22

 

[hill83]

So why call this season now? If next season isn't likely to start on time why put pressure on two separate seasons. Finish this one, see where we are and if there's no time to play next season sack it off and restart with 2021/22

Sick of talking and worrying about it.

 

[ajsccfc]

So why call this season now? If next season isn't likely to start on time why put pressure on two separate seasons. Finish this one, see where we are and if there's no time to play next season sack it off and restart with 2021/22

One of the reasons Scottish clubs were in favour of wrapping up was because they are then entitled to the reward money paid out for final league position, not sure if the same happens in the EFL though

 

[christonabike]

If we were in relegation places we would say null and void. We are at the top 5 points clear and a game in hand.
Points per game it’s is!

 

[Sick Boy]

Points per game for me

 

[skybluesam66]

One of the reasons Scottish clubs were in favour of wrapping up was because they are then entitled to the reward money paid out for final league position, not sure if the same happens in the EFL though

heard that was a red herring, as they were going to get an advance loan to cover it

 

[ccfctommy]

Can someone explain to me points per game?

 

[Ian1779]

Can someone explain to me points per game?

Work out your average points per game (divide total points by number of games) then add that value for every game you have left to play.

We’d stay top!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

One of the reasons Scottish clubs were in favour of wrapping up was because they are then entitled to the reward money paid out for final league position, not sure if the same happens in the EFL though

OR...

they could pay everyone the equivalent of finishing bottom now, as that's the minimum they'd receive anyway then when the season is actually finished distribute the rest with respect to the final standings.

Not sure if EFL has reward money for finishing place (PL does) or just a blanket amount for all clubs, but if it's the latter even easier - just pay everyone now anyway.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Would be interesting to apply PPG to every team up to the penultimate number of games, and park the finally scheduled game for each club's season to take place at a later date. This buys more time and potentially gives teams in staying up / promotion contention a potential opportunity to change it.

The longer this break goes on the more sense it makes to just end the season, players can't train properly and the risk of getting injured or games just being a joke increases. Let's end it now on PPG.

 

[Flying Fokker]

So why call this season now? If next season isn't likely to start on time why put pressure on two separate seasons. Finish this one, see where we are and if there's no time to play next season sack it off and restart with 2021/22

PPG please.
My view, clubs will go bust without revenue from league positions in final table. Some will go bust anyway so we could see more promoted to league above. It’s going to get messy over the next few months anyway.

 

[Ian1779]

Wycombe would shift from 8th currently to 3rd if this was applied.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

Personally I think it has to completed no matter what. I don’t agree with PPG as football isn’t as simple as saying team A will beat team B because they’ve accumulated more points over the season. How many times we did stay up in the Premier League by the skin of our teeth?

Watford have beat Liverpool this season and Norwich have beat Man City

 

[Ian1779]

Personally I think it has to completed no matter what. I don’t agree with PPG as football isn’t as simple as saying team A will beat team B because they’ve accumulated more points over the season. How many times we did stay up in the Premier League by the skin of our teeth?

Watford have beat Liverpool this season and Norwich have beat Man City

I would agree but it’s a more preferable option to hull and void.

 

[mrtrench]

Call it points per game now. I highly doubt the season is finishing. We are in this for the long haul.

I’ll even call next season possibly not starting on time by a long way.

I agree. This is only the first wave, we're probably not even close to being 50% of the way through this yet. We may be able to sneak in a few games behind closed doors before September but by then there will be another round of lock down and it will be called off again. Only my opinion.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I would agree but it’s a more preferable option to hull and void.

Very good description of the place. Or just ad an 'a' to the void as a smart bit of travel advice

 

[mrtrench]

I don’t agree with PPG as football isn’t as simple as saying team A will beat team B because they’ve accumulated more points over the season. How many times we did stay up in the Premier League by the skin of our teeth?

Watford have beat Liverpool this season and Norwich have beat Man City

Of course you are absolutely right. And some teams will come back better and others worse than they were before the hiatus. But what if the choice were to be between finishing this season or culling next season entirely? Because that's where I think we'll end up.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

PPG please.
My view, clubs will go bust without revenue from league positions in final table. Some will go bust anyway so we could see more promoted to league above. It’s going to get messy over the next few months anyway.

So as I said above pay everyone the minimum level they would receive if they'd finished bottom now, then add any extra for finishing above that when it's done and dusted. It's not hard.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

I agree. This is only the first wave, we're probably not even close to being 50% of the way through this yet. We may be able to sneak in a few games behind closed doors before September but by then there will be another round of lock down and it will be called off again. Only my opinion.

Even more reason to carry on. What you're suggesting is call this season using criteria that will not give an accurate reflection of what may happen over the remaining games, then get next season affected in the same way as we go in and out of lockdown.

Like when Marge has a go at Homer for sewing tweed elbow patches on a leather jacket and says "you've ruined a perfectly good jacket" and he replies with "Correction - TWO perfectly good jackets"

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Personally I think it has to completed no matter what. I don’t agree with PPG as football isn’t as simple as saying team A will beat team B because they’ve accumulated more points over the season. How many times we did stay up in the Premier League by the skin of our teeth?

Watford have beat Liverpool this season and Norwich have beat Man City

Although it would make for more complex maths a 'fairer' way rather than PPG is to add in a multiplier based on the difference in league table position for the remaining fixtures to take into account different run ins and thus the likelihood of picking up points.

So for example lets say you're top with a PPG of 2, and are playing the team in bottom place (24th). So you'd then say (24-1)/24 = 0.95 and add that on to PPG so you'd get 2.95 points for that game reflecting they'd likely win it and so get more than their average points.

Another team say in 10th with a PPG of 1.5 playing a team in 5th would say (5-10)/24 = -0.21. So they'd get 1.29 points from that game to reflect the fact they're playing a team above them and so less likely to get their PPG.

 

[Flying Fokker]

I’d settle for the remaining games to be 1.5 ppg for everyone. We would still finish top.

 

[Manchester_sky_blue]

So why call this season now? If next season isn't likely to start on time why put pressure on two separate seasons. Finish this one, see where we are and if there's no time to play next season sack it off and restart with 2021/22

Because the muti-billion £ TV deal, that's why. The league have already said they don't favour any scenario that impacts on next season.

 

[robofcov]

Bring back the pools panel :emoji_laughing:

 

[Liquid Gold]

PPG please.
My view, clubs will go bust without revenue from league positions in final table. Some will go bust anyway so we could see more promoted to league above. It’s going to get messy over the next few months anyway.

You get the same cash if you finish 1st or 24th in leagues 1 and 2. I think they are already intending to advance that.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Because the muti-billion £ TV deal, that's why. The league have already said they don't favour any scenario that impacts on next season.

And why would they pay out at this time of uncertainty? Do you think they'll be happy having one, possibly two, seasons messed around and not finished properly? Would massively harm the product, potentially viewing figures and thus their VFM. I'd expect them to be putting in a court case to reclaim a fair bit of that TV deal.

If it was me I'd be saying I paid for a full season of football to be shown and it wasn't. I want a fair bit of my money back please.

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Right, got bored today and crunched some numbers. If we finish PPG then Wycombe shoot up from outside the playoffs into third, which if they did promotion without play-offs as some are calling for they go up. Do you think Oxford will be happy with that, currently in third? Or indeed Portsmouth and Fleetwood who are only not in 3rd on GD. Even Peterborough would be annoyed if they did play-offs later on cos they'd now miss out on them.

I also did my adjusted PPG table taking into account the fixtures and current league position and that has Fleetwood overtaking Oxford in third and Peterborough also missing out to Wycombe in play-offs.

I then considered whether this was fair seeing as some of the clubs are only separated by goal difference (Oxford, Portsmouth and Fleetwood) and thus affected the result.

I also did an adjusted table taking into account fixtures from the PPG table and even that ever so slightly changed the PPG table although didn't affect any of the places for promotion/play-offs/relegation from the original PPG table.

I also took into account Bolton's situation. Do you take PPG as (current points in table/current games) or take it as ((points earned/current games)-12 point deduction). This had no material affect on the outcome - they still finish bottom but with a few more points is all.

So any decision to arbitrarily end the season now (given it's not written in the rules/constitution as how they'd finish a season in extraordinary circumstances) this is a litigation nightmare for them. They'd be fighting court cases here, there and everywhere.

So here's my tables:

PPG
1 Coventry (1) 86.71
2 Rotherham (2) 77.94
3 Wycombe (8) 76.35
4 Oxford (3) 75.43
5 Portsmouth (4) 75.43
6 Fleetwood (5) 75.43
7 Peterborough (6) 74.17
8 Sunderland (7) 72.11
9 Doncaster (9) 69.88
10 Gillingham (11) 64.11
11 Ipswich (10) 63.56
12 Burton (12) 60.34
13 Blackpool (13) 56.57
14 Bristol R (14) 56.57
15 Shrewsbury (16) 53.06
16 Lincoln (15) 52.80
17 Accrington (17) 50.29
18 Rochdale (19) 46.59
19 MK Dons (18) 46.51
20 Wimbledon (20) 44.00
21 Tranmere (21) 41.41
22 Southend (22) 23.89
23 Bolton (23) 18.12

xPPG based on current table placings
1 Coventry (1) 91.53
2 Rotherham (2) 81.94
3 Fleetwood (5) 79.21
4 Oxford (3) 79.17
5 Portsmouth (4) 78.30
6 Wycombe (8) 78.05
7 Peterborough (6) 77.56
8 Sunderland (7) 74.37
9 Doncaster (9) 71.93
10 Ipswich (10) 65.51
11 Gillingham (11) 64.55
12 Burton (12) 59.60
13 Blackpool (13) 55.48
14 Bristol R (14) 55.31
15 Lincoln (15) 52.15
16 Shrewsbury (16) 51.41
17 Accrington (17) 46.98
18 Rochdale (19) 44.24
19 MK Dons (18) 44.08
20 Wimbledon (20) 41.13
21 Tranmere (21) 36.98
22 Southend (22) 19.36
23 Bolton (23) 12.42

xPPG based on PPG table standings
1 Coventry (1) 91.42
2 Rotherham (2) 81.77
3 Wycombe (8) 80.27
4 Fleetwood (5) 79.34
5 Oxford (3) 78.19
6 Portsmouth (4) 78.04
7 Peterborough (6) 77.17
8 Sunderland (7) 74.05
9 Doncaster (9) 72.08
10 Ipswich (10) 64.79
11 Gillingham (11) 64.74
12 Burton (12) 59.39
13 Bristol R (14) 55.68
14 Blackpool (13) 55.38
15 Shrewsbury (16) 51.78
16 Lincoln (15) 51.47
17 Accrington (17) 46.83
18 Rochdale (19) 44.89
19 MK Dons (18) 43.84
20 Wimbledon (20) 40.96
21 Tranmere (21) 37.11
22 Southend (22) 19.19
23 Bolton (23) 12.55

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

Right, got bored today and crunched some numbers. If we finish PPG then Wycombe shoot up from outside the playoffs into third, which if they did promotion without play-offs as some are calling for they go up. Do you think Oxford will be happy with that, currently in third? Or indeed Portsmouth and Fleetwood who are only not in 3rd on GD. Even Peterborough would be annoyed if they did play-offs later on cos they'd now miss out on them.

I also did my adjusted PPG table taking into account the fixtures and current league position and that has Fleetwood overtaking Oxford in third and Peterborough also missing out to Wycombe in play-offs.

I then considered whether this was fair seeing as some of the clubs are only separated by goal difference (Oxford, Portsmouth and Fleetwood) and thus affected the result.

I also did an adjusted table taking into account fixtures from the PPG table and even that ever so slightly changed the PPG table although didn't affect any of the places for promotion/play-offs/relegation from the original PPG table.

I also took into account Bolton's situation. Do you take PPG as (current points in table/current games) or take it as ((points earned/current games)-12 point deduction). This had no material affect on the outcome - they still finish bottom but with a few more points is all.

So any decision to arbitrarily end the season now (given it's not written in the rules/constitution as how they'd finish a season in extraordinary circumstances) this is a litigation nightmare for them. They'd be fighting court cases here, there and everywhere.

So here's my tables:

PPG
1 Coventry (1) 86.71
2 Rotherham (2) 77.94
3 Wycombe (8) 76.35
4 Oxford (3) 75.43
5 Portsmouth (4) 75.43
6 Fleetwood (5) 75.43
7 Peterborough (6) 74.17
8 Sunderland (7) 72.11
9 Doncaster (9) 69.88
10 Gillingham (11) 64.11
11 Ipswich (10) 63.56
12 Burton (12) 60.34
13 Blackpool (13) 56.57
14 Bristol R (14) 56.57
15 Shrewsbury (16) 53.06
16 Lincoln (15) 52.80
17 Accrington (17) 50.29
18 Rochdale (19) 46.59
19 MK Dons (18) 46.51
20 Wimbledon (20) 44.00
21 Tranmere (21) 41.41
22 Southend (22) 23.89
23 Bolton (23) 18.12

xPPG based on current table placings
1 Coventry (1) 91.53
2 Rotherham (2) 81.94
3 Fleetwood (5) 79.21
4 Oxford (3) 79.17
5 Portsmouth (4) 78.30
6 Wycombe (8) 78.05
7 Peterborough (6) 77.56
8 Sunderland (7) 74.37
9 Doncaster (9) 71.93
10 Ipswich (10) 65.51
11 Gillingham (11) 64.55
12 Burton (12) 59.60
13 Blackpool (13) 55.48
14 Bristol R (14) 55.31
15 Lincoln (15) 52.15
16 Shrewsbury (16) 51.41
17 Accrington (17) 46.98
18 Rochdale (19) 44.24
19 MK Dons (18) 44.08
20 Wimbledon (20) 41.13
21 Tranmere (21) 36.98
22 Southend (22) 19.36
23 Bolton (23) 12.42

xPPG based on PPG table standings
1 Coventry (1) 91.42
2 Rotherham (2) 81.77
3 Wycombe (8) 80.27
4 Fleetwood (5) 79.34
5 Oxford (3) 78.19
6 Portsmouth (4) 78.04
7 Peterborough (6) 77.17
8 Sunderland (7) 74.05
9 Doncaster (9) 72.08
10 Ipswich (10) 64.79
11 Gillingham (11) 64.74
12 Burton (12) 59.39
13 Bristol R (14) 55.68
14 Blackpool (13) 55.38
15 Shrewsbury (16) 51.78
16 Lincoln (15) 51.47
17 Accrington (17) 46.83
18 Rochdale (19) 44.89
19 MK Dons (18) 43.84
20 Wimbledon (20) 40.96
21 Tranmere (21) 37.11
22 Southend (22) 19.19
23 Bolton (23) 12.55

So what we’re basically saying is however you work it out we won the league and the rest can fuck off

 

[fernandopartridge]

Right, got bored today and crunched some numbers. If we finish PPG then Wycombe shoot up from outside the playoffs into third, which if they did promotion without play-offs as some are calling for they go up. Do you think Oxford will be happy with that, currently in third? Or indeed Portsmouth and Fleetwood who are only not in 3rd on GD. Even Peterborough would be annoyed if they did play-offs later on cos they'd now miss out on them.

I also did my adjusted PPG table taking into account the fixtures and current league position and that has Fleetwood overtaking Oxford in third and Peterborough also missing out to Wycombe in play-offs.

I then considered whether this was fair seeing as some of the clubs are only separated by goal difference (Oxford, Portsmouth and Fleetwood) and thus affected the result.

I also did an adjusted table taking into account fixtures from the PPG table and even that ever so slightly changed the PPG table although didn't affect any of the places for promotion/play-offs/relegation from the original PPG table.

I also took into account Bolton's situation. Do you take PPG as (current points in table/current games) or take it as ((points earned/current games)-12 point deduction). This had no material affect on the outcome - they still finish bottom but with a few more points is all.

So any decision to arbitrarily end the season now (given it's not written in the rules/constitution as how they'd finish a season in extraordinary circumstances) this is a litigation nightmare for them. They'd be fighting court cases here, there and everywhere.

So here's my tables:

PPG
1 Coventry (1) 86.71
2 Rotherham (2) 77.94
3 Wycombe (8) 76.35
4 Oxford (3) 75.43
5 Portsmouth (4) 75.43
6 Fleetwood (5) 75.43
7 Peterborough (6) 74.17
8 Sunderland (7) 72.11
9 Doncaster (9) 69.88
10 Gillingham (11) 64.11
11 Ipswich (10) 63.56
12 Burton (12) 60.34
13 Blackpool (13) 56.57
14 Bristol R (14) 56.57
15 Shrewsbury (16) 53.06
16 Lincoln (15) 52.80
17 Accrington (17) 50.29
18 Rochdale (19) 46.59
19 MK Dons (18) 46.51
20 Wimbledon (20) 44.00
21 Tranmere (21) 41.41
22 Southend (22) 23.89
23 Bolton (23) 18.12

xPPG based on current table placings
1 Coventry (1) 91.53
2 Rotherham (2) 81.94
3 Fleetwood (5) 79.21
4 Oxford (3) 79.17
5 Portsmouth (4) 78.30
6 Wycombe (8) 78.05
7 Peterborough (6) 77.56
8 Sunderland (7) 74.37
9 Doncaster (9) 71.93
10 Ipswich (10) 65.51
11 Gillingham (11) 64.55
12 Burton (12) 59.60
13 Blackpool (13) 55.48
14 Bristol R (14) 55.31
15 Lincoln (15) 52.15
16 Shrewsbury (16) 51.41
17 Accrington (17) 46.98
18 Rochdale (19) 44.24
19 MK Dons (18) 44.08
20 Wimbledon (20) 41.13
21 Tranmere (21) 36.98
22 Southend (22) 19.36
23 Bolton (23) 12.42

xPPG based on PPG table standings
1 Coventry (1) 91.42
2 Rotherham (2) 81.77
3 Wycombe (8) 80.27
4 Fleetwood (5) 79.34
5 Oxford (3) 78.19
6 Portsmouth (4) 78.04
7 Peterborough (6) 77.17
8 Sunderland (7) 74.05
9 Doncaster (9) 72.08
10 Ipswich (10) 64.79
11 Gillingham (11) 64.74
12 Burton (12) 59.39
13 Bristol R (14) 55.68
14 Blackpool (13) 55.38
15 Shrewsbury (16) 51.78
16 Lincoln (15) 51.47
17 Accrington (17) 46.83
18 Rochdale (19) 44.89
19 MK Dons (18) 43.84
20 Wimbledon (20) 40.96
21 Tranmere (21) 37.11
22 Southend (22) 19.19
23 Bolton (23) 12.55

It doesn't matter if they're not happy the rules are applied consistently

 

[BornSlippySkyBlue]

Slightly less flippantly, I have thought from the start of this situation that completing the season in any way that doesn’t introduce an element of ‘unfairness’ to it is basically impossible. There will always be some team that feels hard done to (which makes it even more ridiculous that they don’t have a plan for this sort of situation), but we are where we are.

The ‘least bad’ way is to use PPG based on previous games played IMO. It isn’t ideal, but what solution is? Voiding the season is for spiteful (see Liverpool) or potentially relegated teams to push.

Whatever mechanism is used to decide (if a decision is to be made) sees us win the league. Let the rest take them to court (if they can find a pro-bono legal team to take their case on).