Covkid1968#
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They do . They also like talking about winning the European cup a lot. I go to some games with them... it’s a great club
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higgs
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BornSlippySkyBlue
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Isn’t that the entire point of calling them Notts Forest? And Nottingham County are shite as well.
skyblue025
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For a start a lot of them will have a wage increase written into their contracts on promotion. Say it's 10%, players would be fuming to lose out on it. PFA would be all over it. Gordon Taylor has already been moaning about players taking a wage cut or deferral.
Flying Fokker
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Since the postponement I’ve moved from wait and see to end it now with PPG. I still want PPG.
In terms of ending it I think it is 90% likely now. Although league One and Two May end there is a strong probability that the Championship and Premier will resume behind closed doors of course.
Practicalities:
bonuses- offer the players a blue gown and face mask if they moan about bonuses..give them the choice of volunteering in the local hospital or no bonus.
Pay: this furlough thing works well for some organisations. This would need to continue if funds are there. What’s the point in resuming unless it’s nailed on and viable...(TV or Shit on the villa fan base).
In terms of ending it I think it is 90% likely now. Although league One and Two May end there is a strong probability that the Championship and Premier will resume behind closed doors of course.
Practicalities:
bonuses- offer the players a blue gown and face mask if they moan about bonuses..give them the choice of volunteering in the local hospital or no bonus.
Pay: this furlough thing works well for some organisations. This would need to continue if funds are there. What’s the point in resuming unless it’s nailed on and viable...(TV or Shit on the villa fan base).
SkyBlueCRJ
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He's going about it completely the wrong way and his meltdown on Twitter is beyond embarrassing. But whilst the point he's making is a bit of a cliche, he still has a point. iFollow on its own won't work financially as a sole revenue stream for the smaller clubs once they unfurlough their players.
What he's failing to touch upon is that realistically this issue is likely to extend into next season. Clubs with small fanbases have to be concerned about what the future holds as I genuinely can't see football stadiums being filled until a vaccine is found.
Nick
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Every club will be in the same boat though, teams like Pompey and Sunderland will probably make more than us from streaming if they all charge for it.
It would be a good time for clubs to think of other revenue streams, more merchandise, selling experience days (Pompey did this a while back). They can then be used when football is back.
Liquid Gold
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If there is a meeting today Andy Holt will not be in attendance, he has a 'headache'.
Nick
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Too many beers in the sun.
shmmeee
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Because it’s not their fucking name. It’s like calling us West Midlands City FC.
(Why yes I do have Forest fans in my family how can you tell?)
skybluesam66
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I would argue it is more like West Mids city FC if you want to be pedantic
shmmeee
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Fair enough.
Nick
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Isn't it like us being called Cov City?
shmmeee
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No?
Notts is short for Nottinghamshire. The county not the city.
Notts County is correct Notts Forest is not.
Nick
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That level of pedantic will bring that bloke back arguing that Lincoln is in the midlands or whatever he was on about a while back
Sky_Blue_Dreamer
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While I get the point that smaller clubs won't have as many supporters and thus lower income from ifollow etc, I fail to see how this is any different from normal. Larger clubs get bigger crowds through the turnstiles.
So their income from matches will be reduced, but so will that of every other club either due to lower price compared to a match ticket or lack of F&B income, or maybe less people following online than would be at a game. But each club will have budgeted for their respective incomes and thus have the same problems. So either players already at the club on a set wage will be taking up far more of the budget giving less room for manoeuvre or players coming in will have to be on cheaper wages to match this lower income.
It's the same for everyone.
So their income from matches will be reduced, but so will that of every other club either due to lower price compared to a match ticket or lack of F&B income, or maybe less people following online than would be at a game. But each club will have budgeted for their respective incomes and thus have the same problems. So either players already at the club on a set wage will be taking up far more of the budget giving less room for manoeuvre or players coming in will have to be on cheaper wages to match this lower income.
It's the same for everyone.
MusicDating
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I think the original comment was how to troll Notts Forest fans rather than serious post on naming conventions. Works a treat in my experience...
shmmeee
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That level of pedantic will bring that bloke back arguing that Lincoln is in the midlands or whatever he was on about a while back
My grandad was a Forest fan and former English teacher and was extremely pedantic about this (and the “correct” usage of the word hopefully - it should mean full of hope and not something you hope will happen, even when we bought him a new dictionary with both as valid meanings he wouldn’t accept it)
fernandopartridge
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That level of pedantic will bring that bloke back arguing that Lincoln is in the midlands or whatever he was on about a while back
Lincoln is in the East Midlands, as is technically where I am now (12 miles from Manchester).
Nick
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It was on about Lincoln as in the city but can't remember exactly what it was, it was madness either way
SkyBlueCRJ
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Figuratively we're all in the same boat but literally we are almost certainly aren't.
Yes in a way it all correlates as those with significant wage bills will rely on their fanbases to purchase a match pass as much as those with the smaller wage bills. But the fact of the matter is that those clubs with fanbases that don't stretch beyond 2-3 thousand will be in serious trouble - far more than the likes of Pompey or Sunderland as there just won't be anywhere near the same virtual footfall to cover the expenses. Then you have to consider the issue of what position the owners are in to make up the shortfall.
Don't forget owners are going to be severely affected on a personal level as well - their ability to bridge the signifiant losses will be dependent on the state of their external business ventures. But unfortunately those are the facts and can't be helped. As you say clubs have to find inventive ways to bring in additional income - we're very much in adapt or die territory at the moment.
Nick
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The thing there is that you would think Pompey and Sunderland will have higher wage budgets than Accrington to cover? It would all be relative.
Liquid Gold
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Don’t build a new fucking stand. Use that money.
SkyBlueCRJ
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That's where my point about owners comes in. Their ability to bridge the gap entirely depends on how the current crisis has affected them personally. Hence why I think you simply can't paint every club with the same brush with your claim that everyone is in the same boat because that's complete speculation.
Also I haven't even included those clubs who spend way beyond their means despite their small fanbase? - E.g. Fleetwood Town. Speaking of, Andy Pilley has given a pretty accurate assessment of the situation and I think much of what he says resonates with my argument in relation to owners. He makes a lot of further interesting points as well though
Fleetwood owner on financial implications of coronavirus and his solutions
MusicDating
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'We find ourselves in a situation where there's no money coming in, but there’s still money going out. It’s a basic rule of economics that your ins have to be more than your outs.' - Andy Pilley - who spent £128 on wages for every £100 Fleetwood received even before CV.
MusicDating
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It's not like the EFL have their financial house in order anyway...
chiefdave
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Amazing isn't it. We all know football clubs have been financial basket cases for years yet there's now loads of chairmen who are finance experts telling everyone else what should be done.
SkyBlueCRJ
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It's a sound point to be fair. He's certainly not in a position to be dishing out financial advice when his attitude towards spending is basically a case study for how clubs end up finding themselves deep water.
Liquid Gold
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Fleetwood deserve to go bust for playing Captain Pugwash when they score.
hill83
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Sex education lesson. Done.
David O'Day
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It's not even a bad rule of economics as you can deficit spend.
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