Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (319 Viewers)

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

1m plus where 2m is not possible.

So they haven't signed off on 1m being safe then

To me that says 1m is only acceptable due to economic pressures not health and safety.

So 1m is not safe but we value the economy more than the lives of our citizens.

 

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[David O'Day]

If anywhere is already well-versed in using PPE it’s nail bars.

I genuinely don't get that one? They may say it's touching people hands but you would just wash and disinfect them and it's not liek you bite the nails of with your teeth?

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Why does it seem that Starmer has a far greater knowledge of what is needed to reopen industries than the PM?

Embarrassing and people are asking him friendly questions and offering to support him

Because Starmer actually was attentive to his job before getting into politics. Johnson has always been a chancer in it for the shits and giggles.

 

[shmmeee]

But joking aside how the fuck have they spent 11 million quid in 3 months?

There are many software developers pointing out you can run whole companies for years on a couple of million.

I think our annual budget including marketing and admin staff and rent and licensing is well under £1m/year

 

[David O'Day]

PMQs tomorrow will be interesting

Starmer can't hammer him too much today but give it 24 hours for any fucks and they'll bury him again.

 

[David O'Day]

He's commenting on the policy in Wales when wales have a much better outcome.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

When he said you can't restart cricket as the cricket ball is a "natural vector" blah blah he does realise teh 1st tets vs teh windies starts in 2 weeks?

Clubs have already been holding net sessions under compliance measures from the ECB for ages

 

[David O'Day]

Clubs have already been holding net sessions under compliance measures from the ECB for ages

It's mad

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

PMQs tomorrow will be interesting

Starmer can't hammer him too much today but give it 24 hours for any fucks and they'll bury him again.

Hahaha mr u-turn won’t be hammering nobody, bet ya gutted he’s actually backed boris on loosening

 

[clint van damme]

Hahaha mr u-turn won’t be hammering nobody, bet ya gutted he’s actually backed boris on loosening

doesn't it bother you that Johnson has just stood up and told a blatant lie to the house and to the public, (not for the first time).

 

[David O'Day]

Hahaha mr u-turn won’t be hammering nobody, bet ya gutted he’s actually backed boris on loosening

Once again you talk utter shite

1) He didn't actually back him did he. He asked for the medical advise to be made public

2) Once again why do you persist with the notion that we don't want to see the country reopen? We've explained this to you many times.

3) Mr u-turn? Is this a nickname given to him due to the amount of times Boris has had to u-turn after PMQs? As Starmer hasn't actually u-turned on anything as he isn't the fucking PM you clot.

I do worry about you

 

[David O'Day]

doesn't it bother you that Johnson has just stood up and told a blatant lie to the house and to the public, (not for the first time).

mr u-turn? Dom needs help

 

[clint van damme]

Johnson says he continue to works closely with the Welsh assembly, Drayford says he hasn't spoken to Johnson for weeks.
Sounds like someone's lying,

 

[David O'Day]

In case anyone is really stupid and takes any notice of

Yeah Drayford

Dom mate, can I borrow your brain? I'm building an idiot

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Once again you talk utter shite

1)
2) Once again why do you persist with the notion that we don't want to see the country reopen? We've explained this to you many times even though every other country is doing it and it’s safe to c

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I do worry about you

You moan and bitch every time we loosen restrictions, it’s clear you don’t want us to reopen no matter how many people lose their jobs

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You moan and bitch every time we loosen restrictions, it’s clear you don’t want us to reopen no matter how many people lose their jobs

You know, this is as pathetic a retort as others saying you want people to die just because you fancy a pint.

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

You know, this is as pathetic a retort as others saying you want people to die just because you fancy a pint.

Why does he moan every time we loosen then? Or you just gonna miss that point out entirely

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Why does he moan every time we loosen then? Or you just gonna miss that point out entirely

Why are you so desperate for a pint no matter what? Or you just gonna miss that point out entirely

 

[David O'Day]

You moan and bitch every time we loosen restrictions, it’s clear you don’t want us to reopen no matter how many people lose their jobs

So when we explain to you it is best to wait until it is actually safe (it's not at the moment or the would reduce 2m to 1m universally) as we'd rather people didn't die and it fact the demand side shock to the economy would be a lot worse if we reopen and then have to tighten again which even Boris says is a possibility. This extra demand side shock couple with the current demand side shock would mean more people would lose their jobs.

All you'll says is "DERP DERP THERE WON'T BE ANY MORE TIGHTENING DERP DERP BORIS LADDD" l

Economics isn't a strong point either of yours is it.

 

[clint van damme]

"we've tested more people per capita than any other country in Europe"

another lie, he can't help himself.

 

[David O'Day]

Why are you so desperate for a pint no matter what? Or you just gonna miss that point out entirely

He misses a lot of things such as people explaining it is timing and safety issues, pubs not being open is costing the company I work for money.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

another lie, he can't help himself.

The problem is, in a general sense, that I'd like to think I'm reasonably disposed to following a government at times like this. I'm also happy they'll make mistakes, things won't pan out as anticipated, and it'll be rocky.

I'd like them to front it up, though. The problem is with the way they play it, is it's hard to tell which bits I *should* believe among it all!

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

Johnson says he continue to works closely with the Welsh assembly, Drayford says he hasn't spoken to Johnson for weeks.
Sounds like someone's lying,

Oooh, who might it be....

 

[David O'Day]

Talking of per capita stats

Coronavirus deaths per million by country | Statista

2nd worst in the world in that

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

You moan and bitch every time we loosen restrictions, it’s clear you don’t want us to reopen no matter how many people lose their jobs

You moan and bitch every time we don't loosen restrictions, it’s clear you want us to reopen no matter how many people lose their lives

 

[Sky_Blue_Dreamer]

The problem is, in a general sense, that I'd like to think I'm reasonably disposed to following a government at times like this. I'm also happy they'll make mistakes, things won't pan out as anticipated, and it'll be rocky.

I'd like them to front it up, though. The problem is with the way they play it, is it's hard to tell which bits I *should* believe among it all!

Yep. I can handle mistakes. This is something that hasn't been seen for generations so it's largely uncharted territory. Mistakes will inevitably be made. If they said 'we've made some mistakes but we're learning from them to improve our response' I could give them more leeway. (Of course the issue with the care homes does make me suspect a more sinister motive and plan)

But I really can't stand is the constant lying and saying how great the response has been and blaming everyone else bar themselves for any mistakes. No wonder it's taking us longer to get the numbers down because there is absolutely no-one willing to take accountability for the choices made.

 

[chiefdave]

Table service using online apps? That'll be most pubs staying shut then as if they don't have it already how can they get it up and running in less than 2 weeks?

Wonder who that applies to.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Yep. I can handle mistakes. This is something that hasn't been seen for generations so it's largely uncharted territory. Mistakes will inevitably be made. If they said 'we've made some mistakes but we're learning from them to improve our response' I could give them more leeway. (Of course the issue with the care homes does make me suspect a more sinister motive and plan)

But I really can't stand is the constant lying and saying how great the response has been and blaming everyone else bar themselves for any mistakes. No wonder it's taking us longer to get the numbers down because there is absolutely no-one willing to take accountability for the choices made.

The thing is, it's not even unreasonable to make mistakes, or more information to come to light to change the decision making. Take the 2m rule, I see that other countries have less than us, so I can be disposed to a change... if it's explained properly.

As it is, it reads like Ian Duncan-Smith ended up running government after all.

What hasn't been mentioned much in among all this is all the shielded people are expected to go back to work. Now that seems a particularly odd decision to me. I can accept letting them out the house etc for their own sanity(!) but expecting them to be 1m away from people because it's not practicasl to sell more burgers otherwise...?

 

[David O'Day]

 

[SBAndy]

Who called it?

 

[clint van damme]

The problem is, in a general sense, that I'd like to think I'm reasonably disposed to following a government at times like this. I'm also happy they'll make mistakes, things won't pan out as anticipated, and it'll be rocky.

I'd like them to front it up, though. The problem is with the way they play it, is it's hard to tell which bits I *should* believe among it all!

look at New Zealand the other week when they let those infected travellers in from the UK.
Held their hands up, admitted their mistake, said they'd put measures in place to prevent it happening again, everyone moved on.
Here they'd have thrown the full weight of the PR bullshit machine at it to try and deflect and it would have dragged on for weeks.

 

[chiefdave]

Yeah...

tbh I'd have been far happier to hear that they'd reduced it to 1m after considering medical evidence and other countries... not to hear keep it to 2m apart from when you want to make some cash!

From the SAGE report on the transmission of Covid-19:

best current evidence suggests that 1m carries between 2 and 10 times the risk of 2m of separation

countries that specify a separation distance below 2m generally mandate other mitigation measures, usually face masks or face coverings as a minimum

a calculation based on [3] suggests risk at 2m face-to-face is around 10 times lower than the risk at 1m

the risk of transmission at 2m separation is approximately half that at 1m

https://assets.publishing.service.g...ion_of_SARS-CoV-2_and_Mitigating_Measures.pdf

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Who called it?

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Good they have gone on too long

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The thing is, it's not even unreasonable to make mistakes, or more information to come to light to change the decision making. Take the 2m rule, I see that other countries have less than us, so I can be disposed to a change... if it's explained properly.

As it is, it reads like Ian Duncan-Smith ended up running government after all.

What hasn't been mentioned much in among all this is all the shielded people are expected to go back to work. Now that seems a particularly odd decision to me. I can accept letting them out the house etc for their own sanity(!) but expecting them to be 1m away from people because it's not practicasl to sell more burgers otherwise...?

It's also ignoring the physical limitations of school buildings. If you want everybody in, you can't maintain any kind of distancing-just be honest about it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

It's also ignoring the physical limitations of school buildings. If you want everybody in, you can't maintain any kind of distancing-just be honest about it.

Repurposing other buildings is maybe not a bad idea, either. Not sure why they didn't at least consider that when it was proposed, seemed to fly under the radar.