Coronavirus Thread (Off Topic, Politics) (101 Viewers)

[David O'Day]

I know that.The point being, cricket maybe isn't as benign a sport to play as it's being put about here.

They haven't played any cricket yet though so any pakistan players testing positive for covid-19 will not have got it playing cricket

 

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[Tommo1993]

1m+. Wow. 2m distance has been very rare the whole time anyway.

 

[chiefdave]

I know that.The point being, cricket maybe isn't as benign a sport to play as it's being put about here.

Yet tennis is safe according to the government Djokovic tests positive for Covid-19

World number one Novak Djokovic has become the latest tennis player to test positive for Covid-19.

It comes after Grigor Dimitrov, Borna Coric and Viktor Troicki all revealed they had coronavirus after playing at Djokovic's Adria Tour competition.

Not sure the infections in the Pakistan squad are actually down to cricket as the PCB said there was going to be no training camp in Pakistan. Its taking place in England instead. Thats why they're scheduled to travel to England so early. They're being quarantined at Derbyshire and will train and have inter-squad practice matches there.

 

[Ian1779]

We kept our youngest off school (yr1) not for concerns around safety but her big sister (yr4) couldnt go back so it would damage both of them by splitting them up. Hopefully both can go back soon even for a few weeks

I don’t think there will be any additional years returning this side of the summer break, especially as the 1m plus doesn’t kick in until July 4th.

Every primary setting is so different based on size of cohort, size of physical buildings etc. A lot of primaries are making effective use of outside space to ensure adequate distancing.

As Brighton said earlier - for there to be a 100% return in September then that means there will be no social distancing in place.

 

[chiefdave]

Whitty and Vallance making it very clear that we're not 'following the science' anymore and the changes announced are not what has been advised by SAGE.

 

[David O'Day]

Whitty and Vallance making it very clear that we're not 'following the science' anymore and the changes announced are not what has been advised by SAGE.

But Dom said!

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Infections 920 excellent
280 deaths not so good

Iran definitely having another wave

India looking awful with Brazil and Mexico

 

[Alan Dugdales Moustache]

1m+. Wow. 2m distance has been very rare the whole time anyway.

The trouble with 1 metre is that it's almost at the point of having no distance at all, it's like all distancing measures have been axed. At 2 metres it's a clear space. At 1 metre it might be easy to simply forget.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'm not sure I get within one metre of my nearest and dearest!

 

[David O'Day]

Cricket is not amused

 

[clint van damme]

Whitty and Vallance making it very clear that we're not 'following the science' anymore and the changes announced are not what has been advised by SAGE.

this was decided on weeks ago. Science, R number, number of deaths etc were not considered when making this decison.

 

[Saddlebrains]

Is she primary or secondary?

Shes primary, in reception

 

[Covstu]

I don’t think there will be any additional years returning this side of the summer break, especially as the 1m plus doesn’t kick in until July 4th.

Every primary setting is so different based on size of cohort, size of physical buildings etc. A lot of primaries are making effective use of outside space to ensure adequate distancing.

As Brighton said earlier - for there to be a 100% return in September then that means there will be no social distancing in place.

They have been talking about it at their school but time will tell I guess

 

[Brylowes]

What hasn't been mentioned much in among all this is all the shielded people are expected to go back to work. Now that seems a particularly odd decision to me. I can accept letting them out the house etc for their own sanity(!) but expecting them to be 1m away from people because it's not practicasl to sell more burgers otherwise...?

I’ve been shielding (on medical advice ) since the lockdown began, my son had to move out
6 weeks ago when he returned to work, my 8 y/o daughter hasn’t been able to go out ‘even
for a walk, we haven’t been able to seen any other family members inc my elderly mum.
We also happen to run a pub ‘called the hospital yesterday to seek advice on what we are
Supposed to do now that pubs are reopening ‘was advised it was fine as long as I adhere
To social distancing.
Turns out shielding was never really about keeping me safe,
It was always about keeping the NHS safe.

 

[pipkin73]

Went on a boat trip last Tuesday, had such a good time. No one worried about social distancing as we are clear here.
What we have said, is once tourists come back (we need you all to survive) then we will start being more serious about it.
This is the same problem for many places, hard lockdown and clear but without tourists the places will be gone by next year, so we have to risk it.

 

[David O'Day]

Easing several lockdown rules at once could boost virus, say UK scientists

You remember Dom saying the SAGE experts had declared this as say?

Well well well

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Easing several lockdown rules at once could boost virus, say UK scientists

You remember Dom saying the SAGE experts had declared this as say?

Well well well

How many times? We can’t hide away forever everything will come with risk

 

[SkyBlueDom26]

Lol

 

[David O'Day]

How many times? We can’t hide away forever

Oh many times do we have to say "We don't want to hide away forever but we want to make sure it is safe?".

 

[David O'Day]

Lol

You really are stupid.

The independence argument isn't "we don't want HMT that we pay into to help our businesses out" it's more "We think the interests of Scotland would be best served if we had our own treasury so we did't have to ask London to give us some of the North Sea Oil profits back".

We'll add Scottish independence to the bumper book of things you don't understand.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You really are stupid.

The independence argument isn't "we don't want HMT that we pay into to help our businesses out" it's more "We think the interests of Scotland would be best served if we had our own treasury so we did't have to ask London to give us some of the North Sea Oil profits back".

We'll add Scottish independence to the bumper book of things you don't understand.

The economic case for independence was weak when I voted against it and it is even weaker now. Ignoring that the Scottish nationalists will argue for it no matter how poor the case is, because at heart it’s driven by anti English sentiment.

 

[David O'Day]

The economic case for independence was weak when I voted against it and it is even weaker now. Ignoring that the Scottish nationalists will argue for it no matter how poor the case is, because at heart it’s driven by anti English sentiment.

Yes the Stiglitz plan a number of holes in it and relied on always high oil prices but that isn't what Dom means is it.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Yes the Stiglitz plan a number of holes in it and relied on always high oil prices but that isn't what Dom means is it.

Maybe not but the furlough scheme, funded by the central pot at Westminster, has enabled things that a Scottish treasury couldn’t afford. It has awkwardly shown Sturgeon a strength of the union

 

[David O'Day]

Maybe not but the furlough scheme, funded by the central pot at Westminster, has enabled things that a Scottish treasury couldn’t afford. It has awkwardly shown Sturgeon a strength of the union

You do realise they are borrowing the Furlough scheme money? We can't afford it either.

 

[hill83]

Turns out shielding was never really about keeping me safe,
It was always about keeping the NHS safe.

As shit as that is that’s been the case from the very beginning. The first slogan basically said that.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You do realise they are borrowing the Furlough scheme money? We can't afford it either.

No, but a fledgling Scottish state wouldn’t be granted those kinds of sums or have the future ability to repay. The debt burden is spread over a much wider area here.

 

[David O'Day]

Maybe not but the furlough scheme, funded by the central pot at Westminster, has enabled things that a Scottish treasury couldn’t afford. It has awkwardly shown Sturgeon a strength of the union

Scotland would have had access to the international financial markets and the ability to borrow money. What the rates for their bonds and gilts woudl be is conjecture but they would of been able to like us to borrow the money for which ever scheme an Independent Scotland would of had. Also they would of likely still been part of the EU and had access to EU money.

 

[David O'Day]

No, but a fledgling Scottish state wouldn’t be granted those kinds of sums or have the future ability to repay. The debt burden is spread over a much wider area here.

That is simply not true.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That is simply not true.

It kind of is as Scotland has been given a very high budget per capita for ages which comes out of the central pot. In some years it had twice as much as NE England.

 

[hill83]

Scotland would have had access to the international financial markets and the ability to borrow money. What the rates for their bonds and gilts woudl be is conjecture but they would of been able to like us to borrow the money for which ever scheme an Independent Scotland would of had. Also they would of likely still been part of the EU and had access to EU money.

Seeing as I’m on one today. Can you please start saying ‘have’ instead of ‘of’. You come across as relatively handy in a lot of subjects but using ‘of’ absolutely kills anything you say for me.

 

[shmmeee]

On school buildings, this would obviously need planning which puts it outside the abilities of the current government but seems to me we’ve got empty university and college sites all over with students learning remotely, surely they could create some extra capacity?

It doesn’t seem an insurmountable issue, just lacking a government who could organise a piss up in a brewery.

If it were me: focus on schools with low income demographics as those kids will miss schools the most, I’d be paying a crap ton of retirees to remote tutor as well. We could be looking at a lost generation here in terms of educational equity, long term that’ll have far more impact on the economy than the pubs closing and we should be throwing money at the problem.

 

[David O'Day]

It kind of is as Scotland has been given a very high budget per capita for ages which comes out of the central pot. In some years it had twice as much as NE England.

But the Barnett Formula has absolutely nothing to do with the ability of an Independent Scotland to access the international financial markets. We don't know what they would be charged on their bonds and gilts but the money would be available.

We also don't know if by this stage Scotland would have an independent central bank because if it did the like the BoE could buy government bonds via QE. The BoE recently did this to the tune of 100 billlion.

You seem to have this idea that an independent Scotland would be some kind of international minnow but it would be a similar size to all teh Scandi countries except Sweden and bigger than Ireland.

 

[David O'Day]

Seeing as I’m on one today. Can you please start saying ‘have’ instead of ‘of’. You come across as relatively handy in a lot of subjects but using ‘of’ absolutely kills anything you say for me.

Sorry, I could of worded it better.

 

[hill83]

Sorry, I could of worded it better.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Scotland would have had access to the international financial markets and the ability to borrow money. What the rates for their bonds and gilts woudl be is conjecture but they would of been able to like us to borrow the money for which ever scheme an Independent Scotland would of had. Also they would of likely still been part of the EU and had access to EU money.

Access to the EU was far from a given, especially on favourable terms. Access to a much larger central pot is difficult to deny the perks of Dave my man.