Hodgson accused of 'total lack of respect' over Rio (4 Viewers)

dutchman

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England manager faces first leadership crisis after calling up Kelly not Ferdinand to squad

The Rio Ferdinand camp accused Roy Hodgson of a "total lack of respect" yesterday after the defender was overlooked as a replacement for Gary Cahill, who is out of England's Euro 2012 squad, in favour of the Liverpool full-back Martin Kelly.

Ferdinand's agent, Jamie Moralee, increased the pressure around the Ferdinand-John Terry issue by describing Hodgson's decision not to call-up the 33-year-old as "disgraceful", a strong criticism of the England manager that must have been made with the blessing of his star client.

Moralee, a former player at Millwall and Watford among other clubs, runs New Era Global Sports management, which numbers Ferdinand among its clients, although the player retains an association with his long-term agent, Pini Zahavi. Moralee challenged Hodgson's claim when he named his original squad that Ferdinand had been left out for "football reasons".

Terry, who has been passed fit to travel to Poland on Wednesday, will appear in court on 9 July, charged with the alleged racial abuse of Ferdinand's brother, Anton. Hodgson has always claimed that potential conflict between the two was not the reason he left Ferdinand out but the argument that Kelly, with one cap, is a better option has put pressure on that theory.

Moralee told the Press Association last night: "Lampard, Terry, Barry, Gerrard; all ageing but they go to the tournament. Why is Rio different?
"To treat a player that has captained and served his country 81 times [in this manner] is nothing short of disgraceful. Total lack of respect from Hodgson and the FA as far as I am concerned."

The Manchester United defender declined to comment but tweeted "What reasons?????!!!" soon after the FA announced the call-up for Kelly following Cahill's withdrawal. It was a clear reference to Hodgson's oft-repeated line in his original squad announcement press conference of 16 May that Ferdinand had been omitted "for football reasons"

In the aftermath of the Belgium game, before Cahill was diagnosed with a double fracture of the jaw, Hodgson was asked about calling up Ferdinand but refused to discuss it.

The FA claims in private that the decision to call-up Kelly was made because the Liverpool defender was with the squad up to the Norway game nine days ago, in which he made his debut for three minutes at the end of the match. Kelly was last night returning from holiday in New York, having not been one of the five men on stand-by.

Micah Richards, the Manchester City defender, was not considered by Hodgson because he earlier turned down the opportunity to go on stand-by. Richards was unhappy that the news was broken to him by the Under-21s manager, Stuart Pearce, rather than Hodgson himself.

Ferdinand played in a charity match in Bangkok on 24 May, for Park Ji-sung. He is now thought to have gone on holiday. Terry has been passed fit despite fears about his hamstring during the win over Belgium and he will be reassessed tomorrow.

Steven Gerrard said after the 1-0 win that the England players knew they had to perform better.

"I wouldn't say I'm really pleased," said the captain. "I'm satisfied. It's two wins on the bounce. We kept our discipline, kept our shape. It was a workmanlike performance. I think we can improve with the ball, be better in possession. But the mood is good."

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Tad

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Does Rio not understand the simple fact that Hodgson doesn't rate him then? He's turning this into something nasty, when it's clearly something straight forward.
 

cornoccfc

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Does Rio not understand the simple fact that Hodgson doesn't rate him then? He's turning this into something nasty, when it's clearly something straight forward.

Wish I could believe that.

It's about not having Ferdinand and Terry in the same camp.
 

blueflint

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personally think that rio and terry are past it get some new blood in someone with commitment and fight the old guard had their chance and blew it
 

Grendel

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Wish I could believe that.

It's about not having Ferdinand and Terry in the same camp.

It is and this confirms it. Why managers make the same mistake by insisting on terry is beyond me - especially after his masterclass in defending in the world cup.
 

stupot07

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I wasn't against Roy's appointment but what gets me is we have lost an attacking midfielder, a defensive/passing midfielder and a centre back and he's replaced them with a centre back, right back and 1 midfielder.

What's particularly strange though is that jones was taken as a back up right back, and Jagielka can play right so we really didn't need another right back.
 

frodobaggins

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It is and this confirms it. Why managers make the same mistake by insisting on terry is beyond me - especially after his masterclass in defending in the world cup.
Neither Terry nor Ferdinand up to international standard. Of our starting likely starting back four only Ashley Cole is up to the mark. Good job we have a decent keeper.
 

Sutty

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Whether you think he should be in the squad or not, this is unbelievably arrogant by Rio Ferdinand.

Playing for England is an honour, not, as he seems to think, a right.
 

Marty

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Ferdinand has had his chance, himself and the team he played in failed, Makes me laugh how he says it's a lack of respect, but what about the respect of the replacement that was called up.
 

dutchman

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Update:

Rio Ferdinand: John Barnes & David Pleat back Roy Hodgson

John Barnes and David Pleat have supported Roy Hodgson's decision not to call up Rio Ferdinand to England's Euro 2012 squad.

Ferdinand's representative, Jamie Moralee, accused the England manager of showing Ferdinand "a lack of respect".

But Pleat has branded Moralee "out of order" for his comments.

"Everyone's international career comes to an end, it's not a question of being disrespectful in leaving someone out," added Barnes.

"I had 79 caps and I was left out because my time was over. You have to back the manager."

Ferdinand, who has 81 caps for England, was left out of the original squad before being overlooked again when Gary Cahill was ruled out of the tournament through injury on Sunday.

Liverpool defender Martin Kelly, 22, was preferred to the 33-year-old who last played for his country in June 2011.

Pleat, who managed both Tottenham and Sheffield Wednesday, is also backing the new England boss.

"I think the agent of Ferdinand is really out of order," Pleat told BBC Radio 5 live.

"I think agents of other players could equally make a case from time to time.

"Micah Richards evidently has had a very good season and he's been shunned, so to speak.

"Nobody has a divine right to play in the side, I think some of the headlines are very dramatic.

"Yes Ferdinand is 33, he's played around 30 games or so this season, and he has done well since January, but he's [Hodgson] got a natural attacker of the ball in John Terry.

"I think it's for footballing reasons and Roy has got four players now who can cover at centre-back. I think a right footer and a left footer in Terry and Lescott is a decent combination."

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Paxman II

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Unbeleivable arrogance by Rio. He missed most of the season, injury prone and expects after not being in the original squad to be picked over others?
Now Sol campbell has a go? he sounds just as bad!

I wouldn't take Rio so I fail to see what the problem is? I couldn't care less about the hand bags beween him and Rio's brother....really has nothing to do with it.

To make this a 'racist' slur of some kind just makes my blood boil. I'm sick of the race card being played by black people whenever they feel ill done by. that's why things will never change with attitudes like that.
 

Disorganised1

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Funny how many Chelsea players can't play with another clubs' players. Terry/Ferdinand, Lampard/Gerrard, Cole/poor people

Cole is good going forward, but he has yet to learn that watching someone is not the same as marking them.
 

Macca

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Unbeleivable arrogance by Rio. He missed most of the season, injury prone and expects after not being in the original squad to be picked over others?
Now Sol campbell has a go? he sounds just as bad!

I wouldn't take Rio so I fail to see what the problem is? I couldn't care less about the hand bags beween him and Rio's brother....really has nothing to do with it.

To make this a 'racist' slur of some kind just makes my blood boil. I'm sick of the race card being played by black people whenever they feel ill done by. that's why things will never change with attitudes like that.

Given the amount of black players in the England squad racism would be a crazy accusation
 

Otis

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There's black players in the England squad? :eek::eek:

I'm writing a letter to my MP.

Unless he's black of course.
 
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Clive Plattini

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Funny how many Chelsea players can't play with another clubs' players. Terry/Ferdinand, Lampard/Gerrard, Cole/poor people

Cole is good going forward, but he has yet to learn that watching someone is not the same as marking them.

You can't criticise Cole's abilities. Fair enough if you don't like him as a person, but he is one of the best left backs in the world, and England's only world class player.

Lamps and Gerrard could never play together because they were too similar and neither defended enough.
 

rob9872

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spot on Clive. Cole for me is the best left back in world football and has been for soem time. As for defending, look at some of Chelsea's end of season performances when he threw himself in front of the ball in dangerous situations. We are very lucky to have him.

With regards to the initial debate, I too wouldn't have had Rio (although probably would ahead of an untested Kelly, who may be good but we've lost squad experience already in Lamps and Barry) but I think Hodgson should ghave initially have been more open with the reason as I don't believe it is for footballing reasons. I tink it would have been better to have said that he didn't want disharmony in the squad and felt it only right to pick Terry or Rio and that he felt Terry was the better option. Then said my decision get on with it, rather than the reasons he gave which now don't really stand up imo.
 

stupot07

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Unbeleivable arrogance by Rio. He missed most of the season, injury prone and expects after not being in the original squad to be picked over others?
Now Sol campbell has a go? he sounds just as bad!

I wouldn't take Rio so I fail to see what the problem is? I couldn't care less about the hand bags beween him and Rio's brother....really has nothing to do with it.

To make this a 'racist' slur of some kind just makes my blood boil. I'm sick of the race card being played by black people whenever they feel ill done by. that's why things will never change with attitudes like that.

Paxman - Rio made 39 starts and 3 sub appearances last season - he played not missed most of the season.

The England captain on the other hand made just 22 starts and 7 sub appearances due to injury.

Rio made more appearances than fellow defenders Jagielka (34 starts, 3 sub) and Kelly (19 starts, 1 sub).

To be honest I'm more annoyed that we lost 2 centre midfield players including one that was a goal threat, and 1 centre half and we've replaced them with 2 defenders and a midfielder. Jones was already in as cover for right back and Jagielka can play there, he should have called up another midfielder player. Roy didn't have enough options in his standby squad.
 
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stupot07

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Funny how many Chelsea players can't play with another clubs' players. Terry/Ferdinand, Lampard/Gerrard, Cole/poor people

Cole is good going forward, but he has yet to learn that watching someone is not the same as marking them.

I take it you never watched any of the epic Cole vs Ronaldo battles......Cole used to have him in his pocket.

It's cool to hate Cole, he did cheat on that angelic Cheryl.
 

cloughie

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Rio's arrogance is beyond belief, he obviously thought he was automatic first choice, well yes in his own mind maybe, but i also wouldn't have taken him.

Hodgson stated that he is looking towards the world cup ( as he has just got the job at this late stage,) Ie a blend of experienced and older players.

Go pick up your dummy rio
 

oldskyblue58

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Dont think it is Rio kicking up a fuss its his agent

The manager has to be free to pick the squad and team he thinks fit. There will be other opinions but nothing rides on opinions, Hodgson's job rides on his decisions

Not sure why such a narrow definition of "football reasons" is taken by the press. Surely the cohesiveness of the squad and them all pulling one way is a footballing decision too ? Clearly there would have been friction between two big characters in the squad and as a manager you have to deal with that just as much as what happens on the pitch. One of them had to stay at home and Hodgson chose Terry - he didnt create or influence the cause of the friction but he has to deal with it for the benefit of the whole squad. We simply can not afford that much disharmony in the squad - it will be hard enough to achieve anything without that!
 

stupot07

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Rio's arrogance is beyond belief, he obviously thought he was automatic first choice, well yes in his own mind maybe, but i also wouldn't have taken him.

Hodgson stated that he is looking towards the world cup ( as he has just got the job at this late stage,) Ie a blend of experienced and older players.

Go pick up your dummy rio

If he was looking towards the world cup it does beg the question why did he pick a central midfield quartet of Barry (31), gerrard (32), Parker (31) and lampard (33) in his original squad?
 

Marty

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If he was looking towards the world cup it does beg the question why did he pick a central midfield quartet of Barry (31), gerrard (32), Parker (31) and lampard (33) in his original squad?

Maybe he thought that the younger lads weren't able to step up their game, Jagielka, Lescott & Cahill are all very good, expierenced centre half's. Ferdinand has been on a slide for the past 2-3 years and has picked up a few niggley injuries. Terry will probably miss the next world cup. We need to focus on the next generation not be held back by the 'golden generation' which have failed themselves and their country.
 

stupot07

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Maybe he thought that the younger lads weren't able to step up their game, Jagielka, Lescott & Cahill are all very good, expierenced centre half's. Ferdinand has been on a slide for the past 2-3 years and has picked up a few niggley injuries. Terry will probably miss the next world cup. We need to focus on the next generation not be held back by the 'golden generation' which have failed themselves and their country.

To be honest macca, I wouldn't expect terry, Gerrard, lampard, Barry, Parker, rio, Ashley cole to play in the next world cup, Defoe, and Jagielka will be 31 too. When we lost Barry and lampard we should have called up Cleverley instead of another defender.
 

rob9872

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Wilshere is the future for that midfield berth and I think Gerrard will still be at the World Cup. No problem with selecting a current blend of experience and youth for this tournament. As we have seen at City its great to have the kids in but they need introduceing a little at a time not wholesale changes.

I think the golden generation tab is a media phrase, never given by the players themselves. Built up on the hype of the Sky generation and I don't feel they have let anyone down, they were simply not as good as some blinkered journalists and over-hyped fans would have you believe.

However, I still maintain that with a little luck, they could have achieved. The odd decision here and there is crucial at the top. It took Spain a long time to finally win, the almost equally gifted Dutch it could be argued, also continually under-achieve, but I think in most tournaments there are six or seven teams capable of which we are often one and the difference in that final hurdle or two can be some good fortune.
 

stupot07

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Agree about Wilshire, he will be our best player for the next 8-10 years.

There wasn't that much youth in the original England squad, only 5 outfield players 25 years old or younger. Of those under 25 only 1 of wellbeck or carroll will start vs France. To put that into perspective 7 of Germany's 10 starting outfielder players vs England in the World Cup 2010 were 25 or younger.
 

rob9872

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I don't think of 25 as particularly young in footballing terms (Rooney is only 26). Of course age is a subjective thing but I consider approx 22 and under to be classed as young.
 

stupot07

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I don't think of 25 as particularly young in footballing terms (Rooney is only 26). Of course age is a subjective thing but I consider approx 22 and under to be classed as young.

I completely agree Rob, I used 25 as really that's the midpoint in a footballers international career but that's my point out of 20 outfielder players in the original squad only 5 were under 25 (ox, jones, Wellbeck, carroll and Walcott) we had 6 in their 30's (Barry, lampard, gerrard, Parker, Cole and terry. I personally think thats a poor effort given what we all saying after the world cup.

Germany's squad contains 14 outfield players 25 or under, and only 2 outfield players aged 30+.
 

curlyc_

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I would have replaced him with adam johnson.

I still cannot believe he wasn't in the original squad and am flabbergasted that after 3 players dropped out he still wasn't included. Seriously considering not even watching. I'd rather be watching the test match on monday anyway but no doubt the weather will put paid to that.......
 

Macca

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I take it you never watched any of the epic Cole vs Ronaldo battles......Cole used to have him in his pocket.

It's cool to hate Cole, he did cheat on that angelic Cheryl.


Good old Cheryl, anyone remember her racially abusing and attacking a cloakroom attendant.
 

Macca

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I perhaps should mention the good old Cheryl bit being sarcastic otherwise that could read quite badly :D
 

cloughie

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That statement sums up what is wrong with English football....

Either you have taken the above comment literally or what is the problem

Terry i am no supporter of him as a person, but on the pitch i'd choose him to play next to me above Rio every time
 

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