I'm not sure if you hadn't realised but the retail economy bar the supermarkets closed for a couple of months, just think about the impact along the supply chain of that sudden drop in demand. Add to that businesses in the hotel and leisure industry being closed completely you've got a load of people effectively redundant
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It can be any number of reasons including those but it's on the employer and not employee, nobody on furlough is being paid specifically to sit home like it's sick leave and being caught outside invalidates it.
I’ve worked all through this “lockdown” business. Was offered furlough and refused quite vehemently.
But I’m amazed to read that people can’t grasp the basic economical concept of companies furloughing staff.
Lots of places cant open yet.
Surely it’s because if the place a person works isn’t open yet or working on much reduced staff, then the furloughed people aren’t able to go back to work.It’s down to the employer not the employee as of when they go back to work.
I get what you're saying. But how do you know that those who are not adhering to social distancing are necessarily furloughed? It does not necessarily follow that just because the beaches are packed on a scorching hot weekday; that the furlough system is failing - a lot of people have much more flexibly ways of working nowadays, and in any case other users have pointed out the issue of demand simply not being there.Correct me if i'm wrong, the government told everyone to stay at home and batten down the hatches and they would cover wages (furlough), which would give people income, protect businesses through this, which resulted in the huge drop of demand, would also slow the spread of the virus, What i'm saying is that as nobody gives a fuck anymore, why still have the scheme? If everyone is potentially spreading it at beaches, bbq's, down the park or protesting, why not spread it at work? We were all given the chance to stay home and the plebs fucked it up for us all.
I'm not questioning the economic decision to have furlough, it was to protect business while the country essentially closes.
I get what you're saying. But how do you know that those who are not adhering to social distancing are necessarily furloughed? It does not necessarily follow that just because the beaches are packed on a scorching hot weekday; that the furlough system is failing - a lot of people have much more flexibly ways of working nowadays, and in any case other users have pointed out the issue of demand simply not being there.
It was never everyone stay at home, it was work at home if you can. Furlough was to stop the unemployed rate going through the roof. If companies didn't have enough work to keep people employed they were encouraged to furlough them rather than making them redundant while the government picked up the tab.Correct me if i'm wrong, the government told everyone to stay at home and batten down the hatches and they would cover wages (furlough), which would give people income, protect businesses through this, which resulted in the huge drop of demand, would also slow the spread of the virus, What i'm saying is that as nobody gives a fuck anymore, why still have the scheme? If everyone is potentially spreading it at beaches, bbq's, down the park or protesting, why not spread it at work? We were all given the chance to stay home and the plebs fucked it up for us all.
Correct me if i'm wrong, the government told everyone to stay at home and batten down the hatches and they would cover wages (furlough), which would give people income, protect businesses through this, which resulted in the huge drop of demand, would also slow the spread of the virus, What i'm saying is that as nobody gives a fuck anymore, why still have the scheme? If everyone is potentially spreading it at beaches, bbq's, down the park or protesting, why not spread it at work? We were all given the chance to stay home and the plebs fucked it up for us all.
I'm not questioning the economic decision to have furlough, it was to protect business while the country essentially closes.
You spread it at work, companies get sued.Correct me if i'm wrong, the government told everyone to stay at home and batten down the hatches and they would cover wages (furlough), which would give people income, protect businesses through this, which resulted in the huge drop of demand, would also slow the spread of the virus, What i'm saying is that as nobody gives a fuck anymore, why still have the scheme? If everyone is potentially spreading it at beaches, bbq's, down the park or protesting, why not spread it at work? We were all given the chance to stay home and the plebs fucked it up for us all.
I'm not questioning the economic decision to have furlough, it was to protect business while the country essentially closes.
Sadly it’s just delayed the inevitable, large scale redundancies are taking place now after using up 4-5 months of furlough payIt was never everyone stay at home, it was work at home if you can. Furlough was to stop the unemployed rate going through the roof. If companies didn't have enough work to keep people employed they were encouraged to furlough them rather than making them redundant while the government picked up the tab.
As furlough is wound down the hope is companies will have enough work to take people back on. For the majority of those furloughed they got no say in it and while I'm sure there's some happy to be off work and paid for it for many its a stressful time. On top of everything else going on they don't know if they'll have a job to go back to.
Our company paid 100% across all furloughed employees throughout until end of July. That’s created a divide between the workers and non workers which has been difficult to get the message across that the decision to furlough wasn’t their choice. I agree with long term furloughs as people are being found out in terms of not being missed in the workplaceI get the frustration that some of us have been working throughout lockdown and others have been furloughed on 80% pay and therefore having more free time to go to the beach and what not.
Would I rather be working or in furlough? Definitely the former. Those on furlough are at a higher risk of redundancy, through no fault of their own.
Some places simply cannot open yet, and may never open again.
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Mental heath has been A massive factor in Furloughed staff.They asked for 6 of us drivers to volunteer. The first guy to volunteer snatched at the chance. Authorised leave, full pay, what’s not to like?
He returned a couple weeks back and turns out all that time off caused him to leave his mrs and kids.
Even if I was furloughed with 100% pay, for me it's not about the money. Its about job securityOur company paid 100% across all furloughed employees throughout until end of July. That’s created a divide between the workers and non workers which has been difficult to get the message across that the decision to furlough wasn’t their choice. I agree with long term furloughs as people are being found out in terms of not being missed in the workplace
Even if I was furloughed with 100% pay, for me it's not about the money. Its about job security
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My concern is we'll start seeing 'efficiency savings' all over the place. Basically make people work harder for the same money as 'you're lucky to have a job'.I agree with long term furloughs as people are being found out in terms of not being missed in the workplace
Mental heath has been A massive factor in Furloughed staff.
I have worked from home all throughout and WFH has worn thin, we also had our father in law who has a severe mental health condition with us which has been additionally stressful. For me I don’t class this period as WFH as I’m technically’confined’ still so doesn’t allow me the time away from the screen as per normal. Work has increased significantly and find I’m working longer and harder through this period. Only saving grace is I’m trying to put in breaks to split the day so can have a rest but difficult when people are working to their schedules during lunch timesCertainly has. And it’s the reason I gave them for not volunteering (not that they needed one). Work is normality. By this point my mrs had already been working from home for a week or two. Despite still working, her mental health has noticeably dipped. Confined to the flat, missing out on social interaction and activity.
When I say work is normality, we swear and curse about work all the time, it’s human. But we’d be lost without it. I feel massively sorry for those who’ve lost jobs through all this.
Without a doubt, we have estimated that we have lost around 50m as a business for this period only but equally cutting jobs isn’t going to recoup that and we have to aim to get back to the levels we were used to pre COVID. It has shone a light on roles which were not adding value or produced over this period especially when you have managers still on furlough and the team has returned so those can be a good exercise to do for a business. Surely areas such as swissport who are making 50% cuts is short sighted given the pending explosion of holidays but it’s an ongoing cost while that ramps back up. Not good times ahead sadlyMy concern is we'll start seeing 'efficiency savings' all over the place. Basically make people work harder for the same money as 'you're lucky to have a job'.
Saw that in the austerity era. Overtime and toil went out the window, as a salaried employee your set hours were pretty much meaningless, you were expected to work whatever was asked. That's never gone away and I expect it will get worse. Of course for companies that still have the same amount of work its just another example of the money flowing to the top.
Totally with you on that one. For me it was the sanity of keeping me busy in this period rather than sit at home without a purposeEven if I was furloughed with 100% pay, for me it's not about the money. Its about job security
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Shouldn’t this be under the “hijacked threads” thread?People who hijack a thread and change it from what the original thread was
Fly tipping pricks
Yep, charge to take it away. Dump it down the road.Big business for organised crime groups now. Pretty impossible to police when you think about it.
The rules are still in place, the fact people are breaking them doesn't mean they should be dropped and protections for businesses following the rules removed.
Tbh with you, I don't think there is extensive rule breaking, there are high profile things like people heading to a beach but it is a tiny fraction of the population doing it and it's outdoors so the risk of spread greatly diminished anyway. It's not comparable with reopening indoor activities involving lots of people with lots of close contact.
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I wouldn’t like to think where they all went for a wee....I saw a figure quoted of 500,000 down here at Bournemouth beach. We normally get 300,000 for Air Show, so it's not just a small % in reality.
I wouldn’t like to think where they all went for a wee....
That doesn't bode well for your water supplier!as they couldn’t find the pipe they needed to fit it on
Did think that! It’s a bit weird, there’s access points for my neighbours on both sides but not one for mine. My guess is it was on the drive and the idiots who were here before me laid the new drive over it.That doesn't bode well for your water supplier!